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  • Originally posted by Karri View Post
    Are you asking who is doing it at this exact moment, or who has done it previously? I posted in another thread as well, but if you want to see ISIS scale killings, torture and enslaving then look no further than the conquest of the New World. Perhaps you might look into the Nazis as well. Or really, anything if you know history at all. In fact Islamic Fundamentalism is still pretty small scale terror...my ancestors were converted by the sword, into three different Christian religions. Of course if your attention span for history is 24 hours then this is quite a pointless discussion.
    Well "Bill Clinton" maybe you still have problems with the difference between "is" and "was".

    And look further back in this thread for the 1400 year track record of Islam. It didn't spread out of the Arabia Desert due to good marketing and consumer appeal.
    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
      Well "Bill Clinton" maybe you still have problems with the difference between "is" and "was".

      And look further back in this thread for the 1400 year track record of Islam. It didn't spread out of the Arabia Desert due to good marketing and consumer appeal.
      Christianity didn't exactly spread into Scandinavia or astern Europe by the most peaceful means, it involved centuries of effort and quite a bit of warfare.......

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      • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
        Christianity didn't exactly spread into Scandinavia or astern Europe by the most peaceful means, it involved centuries of effort and quite a bit of warfare.......
        When and where did Christ lead armies in conquest and leave instructions to follow such an example to those whom would come after him?

        Mohammad did such and it's in the Hadith, as well as the Koran.

        Scriptural and dogma sanctions are different between these two "religions" regarding official license from Gawd to do violence as propagation.
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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          When and where did Christ lead armies in conquest and leave instructions to follow such an example to those whom would come after him?

          Mohammad did such and it's in the Hadith, as well as the Koran.

          Scriptural and dogma sanctions are different between these two "religions" regarding official license from Gawd to do violence as propagation.
          Well Christ isn't exactly a historical figure, whilst we do have a good account of Mohammad and his life we have nowhere near the same level of information regarding Christ.....

          Also they had completely different circumstances; Jesus was up against the Roman Empire near enough at it's apex whilst the Byzantine Empire of Mohammed's time was divided and war weary.......

          And again none that changes how Christianity spread in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe..............

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          • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
            And again none that changes how Christianity spread in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe..............
            There's a lesson here that's missed by many.
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            • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
              Christianity didn't exactly spread into Scandinavia or astern Europe by the most peaceful means, it involved centuries of effort and quite a bit of warfare.......
              Yup, there were very many victims and martyrs on both sides, and many others were given that 'offer', couched with threats and implications, that would have made the Mafia Dons proud.

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              • I was reading on Charles Martel again, as he comes up on these discussion from time to time as the hero who saved Europe from Islamization. What doesn't really come up is that a few decades before the battle of Tours he himself subdued and forcibly converted the Saxons(and continued destroying every and any last trace of their religion after). He only suffered his only defeat at the hands of one of the last pagan king as well. In any case Christianity was clearly made the dominant religion in Europe with the sword...whatever Christ or Mohammed themselves said didn't make a difference one way or the other.
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                • Originally posted by Karri View Post
                  I was reading on Charles Martel again, as he comes up on these discussion from time to time as the hero who saved Europe from Islamization. What doesn't really come up is that a few decades before the battle of Tours he himself subdued and forcibly converted the Saxons(and continued destroying every and any last trace of their religion after). He only suffered his only defeat at the hands of one of the last pagan king as well. In any case Christianity was clearly made the dominant religion in Europe with the sword...whatever Christ or Mohammed themselves said didn't make a difference one way or the other.
                  Which is why we have a plague of suicide bombers yelling "Jesus is the way!" before they detonate.

                  Obviously will need this for the mentally challenged
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                  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                    Which is why we have a plague of suicide bombers yelling "Jesus is the way!" before they detonate.

                    Obviously will need this for the mentally challenged
                    No, which is why we had reconquista, crusades and converting half the world to Christianity...after this we had the religious wars, enlightment and loads of wars that finally broke the power that the church used to have. Or, closer to truth is that the church could no longer offer the kind of power and influence that it used to, so the the powers that are no longer use it for their purposes.

                    Today we kill in the name of democracy, freedom, globalisation and money in general.

                    But sure, go ahead with your narrative of moslems being the special devil sent to torment us
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                    • Originally posted by Karri View Post
                      I was reading on Charles Martel again, as he comes up on these discussion from time to time as the hero who saved Europe from Islamization. What doesn't really come up is that a few decades before the battle of Tours he himself subdued and forcibly converted the Saxons(and continued destroying every and any last trace of their religion after). He only suffered his only defeat at the hands of one of the last pagan king as well. In any case Christianity was clearly made the dominant religion in Europe with the sword...whatever Christ or Mohammed themselves said didn't make a difference one way or the other.
                      And what have we learned from this?

                      I keep asking, but get no answer.
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                      • Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                        And what have we learned from this?

                        I keep asking, but get no answer.
                        We? You apparently have learned that Islam is the great satan. Islamistics have learned that America is the great satan. I have learned that man is as man does.
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                        • Originally posted by Karri View Post
                          We? You apparently have learned that Islam is the great satan. Islamistics have learned that America is the great satan. I have learned that man is as man does.
                          You point out, correctly, that Christianity was spread by the sword. And making this point doesn't support your argument, it supports mine.

                          Today, islam is attempting the same, but somehow it's simply a nuisance. How is that? Was Christianity a nuisance all those centuries ago?

                          And the only relevance bringing up past religious violence in a current events thread is to show that we shouldn't let history repeat itself.

                          You haven't learned a thing.
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                          • Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                            (...)
                            Today, islam is attempting the same, but somehow it's simply a nuisance. How is that? Was Christianity a nuisance all those centuries ago?
                            Christianity was never an issue - Catholicism (and Protestantism) were more than a nuisance in Europe because they incorporated the nefarious properties of the emerging nation states with those inherent to a monotheist religion.

                            Between them they account for some of the most murderous wars in European history.

                            An actual problem, rather than a mere nuisance.

                            The success of the Dutch Republic in its struggle to get away from the Spanish Crown had damaged Spain's Reputación, a concept that, according to Olivares' biographer J.H. Elliot,[63] strongly motivated that statesman. In the minds of Spaniards the land of Flanders became linked to war. The idea of a second Flanders –a place of "endless war, suffering and death"– ghosted among the Spanish for many years after the war ended. In the 16th and 17th centuries the concept of a second (or "another") Flanders was variously used while referring to the 1591 situation in Aragón, the Catalan Revolt and the 1673 rebellion in Messina. Jesuit father Diego de Rosales described Chile from a military point of view as "Indian Flanders" (Flandes indiano), a phrase that was later adopted by historian Gabriel Guarda.[64]

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty...logical_impact

                            The Islamic nuisance really does not compare.
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                            • Originally posted by Gixxer86g View Post
                              You point out, correctly, that Christianity was spread by the sword. And making this point doesn't support your argument, it supports mine.

                              Today, islam is attempting the same, but somehow it's simply a nuisance. How is that? Was Christianity a nuisance all those centuries ago?

                              And the only relevance bringing up past religious violence in a current events thread is to show that we shouldn't let history repeat itself.

                              You haven't learned a thing.
                              Nope, you still seem to think that ideas somehow spread themselves. That Islam is a "living thing". I don't blame you, after all lawyers have somehow convinced people that corporations are people too. The simple truth is however that you need to look at the guy who is holding the sword, not the sword, not the book he carries nor the ideas he has.It's the man who is willing to lay his hand upon you to force you to think the way he does that has always been the danger, and continues to be so. It doesn't matter if the idea is christianity, islam, democracy, atheism, communism or love of puppies and kittens. There's people who are willing to die for their ideals, those who are willing to kill for their ideals, and then there's the vast majority who just goes with the flow.
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                              • Originally posted by Karri View Post
                                Nope, you still seem to think that ideas somehow spread themselves. That Islam is a "living thing". I don't blame you, after all lawyers have somehow convinced people that corporations are people too. The simple truth is however that you need to look at the guy who is holding the sword, not the sword, not the book he carries nor the ideas he has.It's the man who is willing to lay his hand upon you to force you to think the way he does that has always been the danger, and continues to be so. It doesn't matter if the idea is christianity, islam, democracy, atheism, communism or love of puppies and kittens. There's people who are willing to die for their ideals, those who are willing to kill for their ideals, and then there's the vast majority who just goes with the flow.
                                Thank you for continuing to support my point of view.

                                I rest my case.
                                ALL LIVES SPLATTER!

                                BLACK JEEPS MATTER!

                                BLACK MOTORCYCLES MATTER!

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