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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Daud View Post


    Being myself someone who is sitting beween East and West, i can talk without any bias. Like it or not, they re the cradle of human civilisation ( not we), from assyrians, egyptians, babilonians, persians... bysantine ... and last glorious Islamic Civilisation.

    We europeans had our time too, later. In your post i can spot something i call "cultural racism", in small amount. We in west have some kind of superiority complex.
    I said "just small amount of cultural racism", because there is part of truth in that what you re saying. They ("muslims") even killed the family of the prophet so what to expect more !? They have different behaviour then me. When i go there i see it.

    I dont know is that epigenetic, environmental thing or what.


    Islam can speak for itself- you cant import their culture in it. We put people on the scale, not religion.


    For me Islam isnt cultural thing. Actually its the only religion (ideology) that has sense. I call everyone to go through fundamental creed and see it.
    Churchill the terrorist who burned German cities in 1942 called greece " cradle of civilization " but greek behaviour in their civil war shortly after was far from civilized
    all cultures suffer from some sort of superiority complex , can you not see it in arabs the way they treat non arabs ?
    Islam fundamental creed is actually very similar to early [heretical !] Now extinct Christian sects and Manichean philosophies
    islamic creed gradually evolved over 200 yrs Muhammad a desert chieftain didn't come down with such a sophisticated ideology

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Middle east culture is savage , if Islam was born in Europe it would be far more evolved and a modern progressive religion
    Even Christian's in Palestine supported animal Arafat and his terrorist PLO
    so Islam is savage as it accurately epitomizes the culture of middle east

    Being myself someone who is sitting beween East and West, i can talk without any bias. Like it or not, they re the cradle of human civilisation ( not we), from assyrians, egyptians, babilonians, persians... bysantine ... and last glorious Islamic Civilisation.

    We europeans had our time too, later. In your post i can spot something i call "cultural racism", in small amount. We in west have some kind of superiority complex.
    I said "just small amount of cultural racism", because there is part of truth in that what you re saying. They ("muslims") even killed the family of the prophet so what to expect more !? They have different behaviour then me. When i go there i see it.

    I dont know is that epigenetic, environmental thing or what.


    Islam can speak for itself- you cant import their culture in it. We put people on the scale, not religion.


    For me Islam isnt cultural thing. Actually its the only religion (ideology) that has sense. I call everyone to go through fundamental creed and see it.

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  • nastle
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    Middle east culture is savage , if Islam was born in Europe it would be far more evolved and a modern progressive religion
    Even Christian's in Palestine supported animal Arafat and his terrorist PLO
    so Islam is savage as it accurately epitomizes the culture of middle east

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  • Daud
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Another example of religious tolerance from the religion of peace and love ...


    Jihad against the Crucifix

    by Raymond Ibrahim
    PJ Media
    June 6, 2019

    ...
    A 37-year-old Muslim migrant in Rome was recently arrested for attempted homicide after he stabbed a Christian man in the throat for wearing a crucifix around his neck. "Religious hate" is cited as an "aggravating factor" in the crime.

    This is hardly the first "religious hate" crime to occur in the context of the cross in Italy. Among others,
    • A Muslim boy of African origin picked on, insulted, and eventually beat a 12-year-old girl during school because she too was wearing a crucifix.
    • A Muslim migrant invaded an old church in Venice and attacked its large, 300-year-old cross, breaking off one of its arms, while shouting, "All that is in a church is false!"
    • After a crucifix was destroyed in close proximity to a populated mosque, the area's mayor said concerning the identity of the culprit(s): "Before we put a show of unity with Muslims, let's have them begin by respecting our civilization and our culture."

    The fact is, Islamic hostility to the cross is an unwavering phenomenon—one that crosses continents and centuries; one that is very much indicative of Islam's innate hostility to Christianity.


    For starters, not only is the cross the quintessential symbol of Christianity—for all denominations, including most forms of otherwise iconoclastic Protestantism—but it symbolizes the fundamental disagreement between Christians and Muslims. As Professor Sidney Griffith explains, "The cross and the icons publicly declared those very points of Christian faith which the Koran, in the Muslim view, explicitly denied: that Christ was the Son of God and that he died on the cross." Accordingly, "the Christian practice of venerating the cross ... often aroused the disdain of Muslims," so that from the start of the Muslim conquests of Christian lands there was an ongoing "campaign to erase the public symbols of Christianity, especially the previously ubiquitous sign of the cross."
    ...
    Modern day Muslim clerics confirm this. When asked about Islam's ruling on whether any person—in this case, Christians—is permitted to wear or pray before the cross, Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi, a Saudi expert on Islamic law, said, "Under no circumstances is a human permitted to wear the cross" nor "is anyone permitted to pray to the cross." Why? "Because the prophet—peace and blessings on him—commanded the breaking of it [the cross]."
    ...
    Egypt: A young Coptic Christian woman named Mary was mauled to death when her cross identified her as a Christian to Muslim Brotherhood rioters. Similarly, 17-year-old Ayman, a Coptic student, was strangled and beaten to death by his Muslim teacher and fellow students for refusing to obey the teacher's orders to cover his cross.

    Julie Aftab

    Pakistan: When a Muslim man saw Julie Aftab, a Christian woman, wearing a cross around her neck, he attacked her, forced battery acid down her throat, and splashed it on her face—permanently damaging her esophagus, blinding her in one eye, and causing her to lose both eyelids and most of her teeth.

    Turkey: A 12-year-old boy in Turkey wearing a silver cross necklace in class was spit on and beaten regularly by Muslim classmates and teachers.

    ....
    As Islam's presence continues to grow in Europe, it should come as no surprise that attacks on crosses are also on the rise. Aside from the aforementioned attacks in Italy, the following occurred either in France and Germany, where attacks on churches and crosses have become endemic:
    ....
    Such is the history and continuity of Islamic hate for the cross—that symbol which represents the heart of the Christian faith, namely the death and resurrection of Christ, two events Islam vehemently denies.

    The jihad on the cross began with Muhammad, was carried out by early caliphs, and continues to this day by the jihadis of the world, not to mention the occasional "everyday" Muslim.
    ...
    https://www.meforum.org/58701/the-ji...d6f50-33661481
    I admit there is problem with extremism in muslim world since 1979 but i would like to split things you mentioned.

    In west, even in most direct democracies, a place with muslim majority can NOT build a minaret or have call to prayer (Adhan) in public, in Switzerland for example.

    Having big crosses in public is the same thing for muslims - sign of a lie/disbelief.

    HOWEVER, being a christian was/will never be a crime, things they have in their homes is their property ( crosses, alcohol, pigs... whatever) and noone can attack it !

    Some muslims are savages, anarchists, they yell without even knowing why they yell and they do such terrible crimes you mentioned.

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  • G David Bock
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    Might need to go in another thread as well;

    WATCH: Media blackout of ISIS at the southern border
    ...
    https://www.oann.com/watch-media-bla...uthern-border/

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  • G David Bock
    replied
    Another example of religious tolerance from the religion of peace and love ...


    Jihad against the Crucifix

    by Raymond Ibrahim
    PJ Media
    June 6, 2019

    ...
    A 37-year-old Muslim migrant in Rome was recently arrested for attempted homicide after he stabbed a Christian man in the throat for wearing a crucifix around his neck. "Religious hate" is cited as an "aggravating factor" in the crime.

    This is hardly the first "religious hate" crime to occur in the context of the cross in Italy. Among others,
    • A Muslim boy of African origin picked on, insulted, and eventually beat a 12-year-old girl during school because she too was wearing a crucifix.
    • A Muslim migrant invaded an old church in Venice and attacked its large, 300-year-old cross, breaking off one of its arms, while shouting, "All that is in a church is false!"
    • After a crucifix was destroyed in close proximity to a populated mosque, the area's mayor said concerning the identity of the culprit(s): "Before we put a show of unity with Muslims, let's have them begin by respecting our civilization and our culture."

    The fact is, Islamic hostility to the cross is an unwavering phenomenon—one that crosses continents and centuries; one that is very much indicative of Islam's innate hostility to Christianity.


    For starters, not only is the cross the quintessential symbol of Christianity—for all denominations, including most forms of otherwise iconoclastic Protestantism—but it symbolizes the fundamental disagreement between Christians and Muslims. As Professor Sidney Griffith explains, "The cross and the icons publicly declared those very points of Christian faith which the Koran, in the Muslim view, explicitly denied: that Christ was the Son of God and that he died on the cross." Accordingly, "the Christian practice of venerating the cross ... often aroused the disdain of Muslims," so that from the start of the Muslim conquests of Christian lands there was an ongoing "campaign to erase the public symbols of Christianity, especially the previously ubiquitous sign of the cross."
    ...
    Modern day Muslim clerics confirm this. When asked about Islam's ruling on whether any person—in this case, Christians—is permitted to wear or pray before the cross, Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Tarifi, a Saudi expert on Islamic law, said, "Under no circumstances is a human permitted to wear the cross" nor "is anyone permitted to pray to the cross." Why? "Because the prophet—peace and blessings on him—commanded the breaking of it [the cross]."
    ...
    Egypt: A young Coptic Christian woman named Mary was mauled to death when her cross identified her as a Christian to Muslim Brotherhood rioters. Similarly, 17-year-old Ayman, a Coptic student, was strangled and beaten to death by his Muslim teacher and fellow students for refusing to obey the teacher's orders to cover his cross.

    Julie Aftab

    Pakistan: When a Muslim man saw Julie Aftab, a Christian woman, wearing a cross around her neck, he attacked her, forced battery acid down her throat, and splashed it on her face—permanently damaging her esophagus, blinding her in one eye, and causing her to lose both eyelids and most of her teeth.

    Turkey: A 12-year-old boy in Turkey wearing a silver cross necklace in class was spit on and beaten regularly by Muslim classmates and teachers.

    ....
    As Islam's presence continues to grow in Europe, it should come as no surprise that attacks on crosses are also on the rise. Aside from the aforementioned attacks in Italy, the following occurred either in France and Germany, where attacks on churches and crosses have become endemic:
    ....
    Such is the history and continuity of Islamic hate for the cross—that symbol which represents the heart of the Christian faith, namely the death and resurrection of Christ, two events Islam vehemently denies.

    The jihad on the cross began with Muhammad, was carried out by early caliphs, and continues to this day by the jihadis of the world, not to mention the occasional "everyday" Muslim.
    ...
    https://www.meforum.org/58701/the-ji...d6f50-33661481

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  • G David Bock
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    One of many "problems" with Pakistan is that it is a divided country on verge of a civil war. The Eastern half has more secular leaning Muslims while the Western half is mostly fundamentalist Islamists. This Western "half" is mostly Pushtun and merges over into Afghanistan;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtuns
    Along with the national demographic divisions, there are also similar within the Paki guv'mint orgs, especially the ISI, which supposedly produced the Taliban to have a controlling influence in post Soviet occupied Afghanistan.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-...s_Intelligence

    Net results ~ take a-ways;

    1) Any "solution" from the West/USA perspective to the Afghanistan and Taliban issue will require a "solution" to the Islamist factions and influences in Pakistan. Any efforts towards a more secular government within Afghanistan by the West/USA is readily offset by the influence and infiltrations from Western Pakistan supported by the Islamist factions within the ISI.

    2) As a nation not separating Church from State, and one with a largely Muslim population, should come as no surprise that non-Muslim minorities will have few if any legal/human rights and be subject to persecutions and legal prejudice and oppressions.

    3) The West/USA are "spinning our wheels" trying to make reforms in Afghanistan when such is so heavily linked to the situation in Pakistan. We(USA/West) should seriously consider a withdraw from "boots on the ground" and other overt presence in that region/area until there is fundamental change in the religiously biased government and it's systems within Pakistan. I'd be in favor of;

    1) with draw all our military forces and support from Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    2) Then apply sanctions and boycotts to both until the reform away from a religious dominated persecution focused forms of government. We might still engage selective bombings/missile strikes against Islamistist groups suspected of forming attacks towards other parts of the world, but for the most part, this region should be cut-off and isolated from the world until they are ready to join and play the 21st century game of equality and civil rights to all.

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  • Bwaha
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    It sure is.

    Recent attacks on churches in northern Burkina Faso are likely to the work of jihadists whose activities are growing in the region despite a military operation to contain Islamist militancy.

    The country's foreign minister says tackling terrorism has become a fight "for the very survival" of the Sahel region, which incorporates for Burkina Faso, Chad, Mali, Mauritania and Niger.

    The militants have forced 100,000 in Burkina Faso alone to flee their homes in recent months.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-afric...eporting-story

    Note how the beeb is being a apologist for the murdering barbarians in the article.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    Pakistan vet charged with blasphemy over medicine 'wrapped in religious text.

    A Hindu veterinary doctor in south-east Pakistan has been charged under the country's strict blasphemy laws after allegedly selling medicine wrapped in paper bearing Islamic religious text.

    An angry crowd set fire to his clinic near Mirpur Khas, Sindh province, and other Hindu-owned shops were looted.

    The vet said his use of the paper, apparently torn from an Islamic studies school textbook, was a mistake.

    If he is convicted he could be sentenced to life in prison.

    Pakistan's blasphemy laws carry harsh penalties for anyone who insults Islam. Critics say they target a disproportionate number of people from religious minorities.

    More here. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48438333
    But Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance ...

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  • Bwaha
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    Pakistan vet charged with blasphemy over medicine 'wrapped in religious text.

    A Hindu veterinary doctor in south-east Pakistan has been charged under the country's strict blasphemy laws after allegedly selling medicine wrapped in paper bearing Islamic religious text.

    An angry crowd set fire to his clinic near Mirpur Khas, Sindh province, and other Hindu-owned shops were looted.

    The vet said his use of the paper, apparently torn from an Islamic studies school textbook, was a mistake.

    If he is convicted he could be sentenced to life in prison.

    Pakistan's blasphemy laws carry harsh penalties for anyone who insults Islam. Critics say they target a disproportionate number of people from religious minorities.

    More here. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48438333

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  • G David Bock
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    Informative and ongoing articles and op-eds;
    Islamist Watch
    https://www.meforum.org/islamist-watch
    $41 Million of Taxpayer-Subsidized Islamism
    Islamist Watch has discovered that $41 million of taxpayers money, in the form of grants and contracts, was given to institutions linked to or controlled by hardline Islamists. How can moderate Islam succeed when the U.S. government is funding its radical rivals?
    ...
    Research by the Middle East Forum has found that since 2007, federal government agencies have handed over $47 million to 61 Islamic institutions in the forms of 411 various grants and contracts.

    On the face of it, this need not be of concern. The government has long relied on contractors and charities from all faiths to implement its programs. Alarmingly, however, radical Islamic movements completely control 36% of the Muslim institutions that received government monies, taking 42% of the total funding. A further 36% of the grantees, which received 44% of the funds, operate under varying degrees of radical influence. A mere 14% of identified government funds given to Muslim organizations were directed toward institutions free of Islamist influence.

    In total, if the government's own data is accurate, at least $41 million was given to institutions either controlled or under the partial influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, Jamaat-e-Islami (a violent South Asian Islamist movement), Salafis, Deobandis (a hardline South Asian Sunni sect from which the Taliban was created) and the Iranian regime, among others.

    Some of the largest amounts involve grants to aid charities. Long favored by Islamist movements as a means to spread ideology through welfare, charities also provide extremists with plentiful funding and the occasional accompanying credibility of government partnership.
    ...
    https://www.meforum.org/islamist-wat...eid=062f3a999b

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  • G David Bock
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    Iraq's Christians 'close to extinction'

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48333923

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  • G David Bock
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    Pending another place more suitable;

    Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism
    https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/...socialism.aspx

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  • G David Bock
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    London Bridge's youngest victim died when she slipped in high heels attempting to flee terrorists

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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ndation-widget

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  • G David Bock
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    Isil extremists using Instagram to promote jihad and incite support for terror attacks on the West

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    Isil extremists are using Instagram to promote jihad and incite support for terror attacks on the West, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.

    They are circumventing the platform’s security checks to post images and text celebrating the killings of “kafir” (unbelievers) accompanied by images of dead soldiers and beheadings as well as threatening terrorist atrocities on the scale of the Sri Lankan suicide bombings that claimed 253 lives.
    ...
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ncite-support/

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