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  • ^ Might further explain ...
    The Left and Islam Apologetics

    http://www.meforum.org/5028/the-left...am-apologetics
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    • The terrifying rise of ISIS: Map that shows how terror group's tentacles now reach from Algeria to Afghanistan

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      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hanistan.html#
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      • This 100-year-old agreement tells you everything you need to know about the ISIL end game
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        “The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, that’s the difference between ISIL and ISIS. The L stands for Levant. It stands for this part all the way down to Egypt,” Glenn said. “They’re doing nothing but remolding the map closer to their heart’s desire and what they were promised 100 years ago. Now is their opportunity to achieve what they’ve always wanted from the very beginning, a return to a unified Arab kingdom—what a surprise, a caliphate, Islamic rule.”

        Until this region is returned to Arab control, the fighting will not end. There is no easy or obvious solution, but, now more than ever, it is important that Americans and westerners understand the facts so they can understand the end game.

        “Our responsibility is to first tell the truth, because you know what? You know who’s a pawn? It’s the Israelis, the Palestinians,” he said. “And the American people, the Canadian citizen, the British citizen, the French citizen, all the citizens of the world that have shed their blood and their treasure over there for nothing but a mountain of lies. Tell the truth.”

        “Please, take this broadcast and spread it,” Glenn concluded. “This is important information. Before we rush into another war, we’d better at least know what this one’s all about.”


        Source: http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/09/18/this-100-year-old-agreement-tells-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-isil-end-game/?utm_source=glennbeck&utm_medium=contentcopy_link

        Not actually "everything", but maybe 90% for current context. Other material presented here since start of this thread covering nearly 1400 years back fills in the rest.
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        • Too late to edit, so let's try this for the defunct link above;
          http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/09/18/...isil-end-game/
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          • Challenging Islam's License to Kill

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            There is much talk these days of radicalization and deradicalization. At the heart of both processes are religious ideas: theological dogmas. What are some of the key theological principles that might cause a Muslim to take this call seriously? What is the Islamic reasoning given by the IS Hacking Division in support of its call to kill non-Muslims?
            The Hacking Division quote two verses of the Qur'an:
            • Sura 9:123 'fight believers who are near to you' and
            • Sura 9:14 'Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them, and satisfy [actually yashfi 'heal'] the breasts of a believing people'.

            The meaning of these two verses hangs upon the word qātilū, translated here as 'fight'. The verbal root q-t-l from which qātilū is formed means 'kill', so the Arabic actually means 'fight to kill' (see discussion here). These Qur'anic verses truly are commands to kill non-Muslims.

            The second quoted verse, from Sura 9:14, puts forward a view concerning what Muslims should do about emotional pain and anguish they may experience because of unbelievers. 'Allah', the verse says, 'will heal the breasts' of Muslims, – and then the sentence continues into the next verse – 'and remove the rage of their hearts'.

            The key concept here is that if Muslims have strong feelings, including anger, against non-Muslims, their emotional distress will subside and be 'healed' as they kill, humiliate and triumph over non-believers. Strange therapy indeed for the human soul! According to the Qur'an, in order to secure inner 'peace', calm within the Muslim soul can be secured by shedding non-Muslim blood.

            These are stock-standard verses used to urge Muslims to go for jihad against disbelievers. However what most caught my eye in the Hacking Division's call to arms against infidels in America was but a reference to Muhammad's teachings. The Hacking Division refers to hadith 4661 in a published English version of the Sahih Muslim (translated by Abdul Hamid Sidiqqi).
            ....
            This is a most significant statement. It is saying that if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim, they cannot both end up in hell. The alternative to hell is paradise, so in other words, killing a non-Muslim – who is destined for hell due to their unbelief – can provide a sure ticket to paradise for a Muslim.

            This tradition is the authority for a view widely put about by jihadis, that if a Muslim personally gets to kill a disbeliever, the Muslim will gain paradise. Put together with the famous belief that for a Muslim to be 'martyred' in jihad opens the gates of paradise (see Sura 3:169-170; 9:111; and 22:58), fighting to kill non-Muslims can be a ticket to glory, win or lose. Either one kills and gains a get-out-of-hell free card, or one is killed and gains a get-into-paradise-free card. This is a win-win proposition for the jihadi.

            Persuading Muslims to take the words of Muhammad seriously is the core strategy of radicalization. This tactic works as well as it does because it appeals to a plain reading of Islam's holy texts.

            To be deradicalized, a Muslim needs to repudiate the theological authority of the teachings of Muhammad and the Qur'an. This is a hard call for pious Muslims.
            ....
            Hadiths such as 4661 from Sahih Muslim, and the Qur'anic verses cited here are a genuine part of the Islamic canon. Such verses remain un-renounced and un-repudiated by a great many Muslims and Islamic institutions today.

            As long as such texts are not repudiated, the theological winds of Islam will all too easily continue to sweep pious Muslim hearts and minds towards radicalization, a process which exalts the idea that the lives of infidels are disposable.

            Islam's warrant to kill infidels is an idea which deserves to be exposed, challenged, thoroughly debated, and rejected.

            http://www.meforum.org/5133/challeng...icense-to-kill
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            • G David Bock - You have identified the core of the problem - that their number one 'Prophet', was himself very far from being a peacenik.

              That if the masses of warlike quotes in the Qur'an, Sira and Hadiths are ignored, then there is little left for Muslims to follow.

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              • Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
                G David Bock - You have identified the core of the problem - that their number one 'Prophet', was himself very far from being a peacenik.

                That if the masses of warlike quotes in the Qur'an, Sira and Hadiths are ignored, then there is little left for Muslims to follow.
                Theologically and ideologically Islam would appear to be a "religion" designed to ensure "forever war" on planet Earth. Makes one wonder Whom or What is really the source of inspiration and message to Mohammed.
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                • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                  Theologically and ideologically Islam would appear to be a "religion" designed to ensure "forever war" on planet Earth. Makes one wonder Whom or What is really the source of inspiration and message to Mohammed.
                  Well, even the Qur'an holds with 'Allah' being the greatest of makreen/deceivers - in Judaism and Christianity it is held that Satan holds that accolade. That God is Truth. I'll leave it for you to figure out the fine print.

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                  • Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
                    Well, even the Qur'an holds with 'Allah' being the greatest of makreen/deceivers - in Judaism and Christianity it is held that Satan holds that accolade. That God is Truth. I'll leave it for you to figure out the fine print.
                    Now if we could just get the "leadership" of the USA and West to stop being PC and figure out that fine print, and be honest about it ...
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                    • GDB - Here is something to ponder ref. mainstream Islamic thought - based on their Qur'an, Sira and Hadith.

                      Some years ago I took a cab ride during which the [Islamic] driver [most cabs/taxis here in the UK are driven by 'the Islamic Mafia']. During the journey we talked about politics and religion; he told me that the worst Muslim is perceived in Islam as being better than the best non-Muslim.

                      So where do we go from there?


                      ps. I'm nearly 70 and in poor health, so if I have to take on the Jihadis, give me a comfortable armchair, a good field of fire, a belt fed machine gun, plenty of ammo and a spare barrel, a large flask of tea and a pile of sarnies/sandwiches!
                      Last edited by Wooden Wonder; 30 Mar 15, 15:50.

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                      • ^ Will have to think on that (bit of a Catch 22), but busy week plus coming up means I may not be able to be here much. Meanwhile, this op-ed sheds light on a part of the problem inside the West;

                        Who's Afraid of Campus Watch? Stanford Prof Joel Beinin

                        by Cinnamon Stillwell
                        The American Thinker
                        March 30, 2015


                        Originally published under the title, "Radical Middle East Studies Establishment Does Not Like Criticism."

                        Thirteen years after Campus Watch (CW)'s inception in 2002, radical, politicized Middle East studies academics remain indignant that an organization dared confront them with the horror of outside criticism, which they falsely equate with censorship, McCarthyism, and other paranoid clichés.

                        Case in point: at a recent Stanford University lecture featuring Steven Salaita (which CW covered), respondent Joel Beinin -- Donald J. McLachlan Professor of History and Professor of Middle East History and a past president of the Middle East Studies Association (MESA) -- concluded a lengthy treatise on his "generation of Middle East scholars" by deploring CW's ascension in the "post-second intifada-9/11 environment" and mischaracterizing its purpose:
                        This gave rise to an organization that still exists, a neo-McCarthyite organization called Campus Watch, whose purpose was to supervise the discourse of people who taught Middle East studies on campuses.
                        To the contrary, CW, a project of the Middle East Forum founded by Daniel Pipes, is hardly in a position to "supervise" anyone's discourse and wouldn't want to if it could. CW simply critiques a subsection of coddled academics unused to being held accountable for what they say or write.
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                        http://www.meforum.org/5151/beinin-campus-watch
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                        • Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
                          GDB - Here is something to ponder ref. mainstream Islamic thought - based on their Qur'an, Sira and Hadith.

                          Some years ago I took a cab ride during which the [Islamic] driver [most cabs/taxis here in the UK are driven by 'the Islamic Mafia']. During the journey we talked about politics and religion; he told me that the worst Muslim is perceived in Islam as being better than the best non-Muslim.

                          So where do we go from there?


                          ps. I'm nearly 70 and in poor health, so if I have to take on the Jihadis, give me a comfortable armchair, a good field of fire, a belt fed machine gun, plenty of ammo and a spare barrel, a large flask of tea and a pile of sarnies/sandwiches!
                          Okay, have a spare moment ...

                          EXCERPTS;
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                          Mosab Hassan Yousef, the bestselling author of “Son of Hamas: A Gripping Account of Terror, Betrayal, Political Intrigue, and Unthinkable Choices,” appeared on The Glenn Beck Program Monday to discuss how he rejected radical Islam and converted to Christianity.

                          “I was brought up in a state of delusion, believing the Islamic theory that once we control the globe and build an Islamic State we can bring humanity, justice and happiness and solve the human condition,” Yousef said. “Islam is a very dark theory and we need to face this reality.”

                          The son of one of the founding members of Hamas, Yousef worked as a spy for the Israeli intelligence service after beginning to question the ideology he had been raised with. On Monday, he reiterated his belief that “Islam is the religion of war.”

                          “Islam is at war with everything that is not Muslim,” he said. “Islam has been in a war against the west and its foundations for the last 1,400 years. This is a fact. The Islamic phenomena that we see in ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Taliban — this is not just a new phenomenon. It has been out there for the last 1,400 years. And I think this is the time for humanity to have the courage to say no to the Islamic theory.”
                          ....
                          Though Yousef said he believes both George Bush and Barack Obama have good intentions in the Middle East, he also said Obama’s insistence that the Islamic State has nothing to do with Islam “really matters.”

                          “When the president of the free world misleads the public, this is a big, big problem I believe,” he said. “ISIS is the real face of Islam. ISIS is the real manifestation of the Islamic ideology, of the Islamic theory.”

                          And unlike some who believe Islam can undergo a reformation like Christianity, Yousef believes “Islam cannot be reformed” because at its core, it is based in tribal conflict and “the mentality of the 7th century.”
                          ...
                          http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...-31-15%20FINAL
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                          • Tempting to use this for another/new thread elsewhere on the forum, but here for now;
                            Three Ways ISIS and Its Supporters Could Strike America
                            http://humanevents.com/2015/04/15/th...tm_campaign=nl

                            And, a possible springboard location;
                            ISIS Camp a Few Miles from Texas, Mexican Authorities Confirm
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                            The exact location where the terrorist group has established its base is around eight miles from the U.S. border in an area known as “Anapra” situated just west of Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Another ISIS cell to the west of Ciudad Juárez, in Puerto Palomas, targets the New Mexico towns of Columbus and Deming for easy access to the United States, the same knowledgeable sources confirm.
                            ...
                            http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...ities-confirm/
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                            • Yup, pretty much what my studies and research over the 30odd years has concluded about the reality and agenda of 'The Religion of Peace'.

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                              • Perhaps not the best location for this, but with the Middle East a key location of the focus of the OP, and Daniel Pipes a principle at the MEF, this is good for now as a place to link this interview;
                                http://www.meforum.org/5173/interview-daniel-pipes
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