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  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Hung by his own petard ... as the sayin' goes

    Thank you ... Mustafa Patrick ...

    ... or is it Comrade Beattie?

    There's this Sun Tzu thingy happening about knowing/understanding one's enemy, etc. Some 'chapters' you might want to consider re-reading ~ reviewing, given your above ...

    Call me whatever you want Shirley.

    You can read all you want about wars and understanding the enemy, you are clearly past the point of actually putting it into practice for the benefit of anybody

    You are irrelevant
    Last edited by Paddybhoy; 22 Jan 15, 06:45.

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    • Originally posted by Sergio View Post
      You are recommending an author who is so clueless (or plain dishonest) that he claims the following:



      Phillips and Ye'or? Good to see that reasonable, informed writers make the list.
      If you are inferring the commentary on the '751 "no-go" Zones' that would be these on this French website;
      http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/
      Mentioned in detail in this article of two years ago;
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/33...ce-no-go-zones

      (Just a few of many hits on basic websearch)

      You are the one looking "...so clueless (or plain dishonest) ... "
      Consistent track record there ....

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      • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
        Call me whatever you want Shirley.

        You can read all you want about wars and understanding the enemy, you are clearly past the point of actually putting it into practice for the benefit of anybody

        You are irrelevant
        Looking down the list of your recent posts, seems when you aren't insulting or 'trying to pick a fight' with a fellow member, your contributions trend toward the snarky and/or juvenile. Indicative of that not yet mature condition perhaps

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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          If you are inferring the commentary on the '751 "no-go" Zones' that would be these on this French website;
          http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/Atlas/ZUS/
          Mentioned in detail in this article of two years ago;
          http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/33...ce-no-go-zones

          (Just a few of many hits on basic websearch)

          You are the one looking "...so clueless (or plain dishonest) ... "
          Consistent track record there ....
          Zones urbaines sensibles refer to areas within France that were recognised as having social problems - high unemployment, crime, comparatively low numbers of people completing school and so on. They were identified (hence the list that you think refers to no go zones) and urban renewal/intervention policy directed at them. This was passed into French law in November 14 1996.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensiti...thin_the_zones

          A few seconds of looking would have told you that. Perhaps you missed Fox apologising for its claims? If an 'expert' like Robert Spencer is able to screw up on that level that should call into question his overall credibility. Sadly for the usual crowd it will not.

          Now you were saying.
          "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
          G.B Shaw

          "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
          Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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          • Originally posted by Sergio View Post
            Zones urbaines sensibles refer to areas within France that were recognised as having social problems - high unemployment, crime, comparatively low numbers of people completing school and so on. They were identified (hence the list that you think refers to no go zones) and urban renewal/intervention policy directed at them. This was passed into French law in November 14 1996.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensiti...thin_the_zones

            A few seconds of looking would have told you that. Perhaps you missed Fox apologising for its claims? If an 'expert' like Robert Spencer is able to screw up on that level that should call into question his overall credibility. Sadly for the usual crowd it will not.

            Now you were saying.
            I don't edit the content of articles I link to in my posts, figure the reader can take or leave as they choose. You blamed me personally in your earlier post and still imply that, least that's how your words read to me, and hence imply something about your level of interpretation and presentation almost as bad as what you make Spencer out to be.

            As for the subject of "Urban Sensitive Zones", guv'mints are usually reluctant to fully disclose their level of incompetence. My take is that both your and Spencer's definition applies. "Your" definition is the official spin to downplay the serious shortfall of the situation. Spencer (and other's) definition is the objective reality experienced by most non-Muslims going into such areas.

            We have similar here in America, not so much based upon religion as race and/or ethnic. In many cases there is a self-feeding loop or spiral downward in such "neighborhoods".

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            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              I don't edit the content of articles I link to in my posts, figure the reader can take or leave as they choose. You blamed me personally in your earlier post and still imply that, least that's how your words read to me, and hence imply something about your level of interpretation and presentation almost as bad as what you make Spencer out to be.

              As for the subject of "Urban Sensitive Zones", guv'mints are usually reluctant to fully disclose their level of incompetence. My take is that both your and Spencer's definition applies. "Your" definition is the official spin to downplay the serious shortfall of the situation. Spencer (and other's) definition is the objective reality experienced by most non-Muslims going into such areas.

              We have similar here in America, not so much based upon religion as race and/or ethnic. In many cases there is a self-feeding loop or spiral downward in such "neighborhoods".
              It is not my definition - it is that of the French government, all of its media, commentators and analysts around the world who know what they are talking about. Spencer's and his ilks characterisation of the 'objective reality' experienced by non-Muslims presumably has some evidence behind it aside from just saying "Cos I said so." Even Daniel Pipes who was one of the first to start blathering about this in 2006 came out and said (in 2013) that he regretted describing them as no go zones. He even said that compared to Detroit and The Bronx they looked fine. When someone like Pipes admits he screwed up perhaps you need to rethink.

              As for the links - you posted a list of 5 must read books. The 3 authors that I have heard of are considered laughable by most. I did not say that you are editing the posts, but you are the one posting must read lists full of nonsense. Perhaps rethink your recommendations - or are you now saying that you do not recommend them as being good books on the topic?
              "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
              G.B Shaw

              "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
              Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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              • What the Terrorists Didn’t Know about One Policeman They Murdered Will Shock You

                EXCERPT:
                People all over France have been demonstrating, holding up signs saying “JeSuisCharlie” (I am Charlie) to memorialize the 12 people killed in the attack on the offices of the satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo. But now that the world has learned a new fact about the first police officer killed, new signs are appearing, along with new posts on Twitter, saying “JeSuisAhmed.” That is because the murdered officer, Ahmed Merabet, was himself a Muslim, and he died protecting freedom of speech.
                ...
                http://liberty247.net/terrorists-did...eman-murdered/

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                • Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                  It is not my definition - it is that of the French government, all of its media, commentators and analysts around the world who know what they are talking about. Spencer's and his ilks characterisation of the 'objective reality' experienced by non-Muslims presumably has some evidence behind it aside from just saying "Cos I said so." Even Daniel Pipes who was one of the first to start blathering about this in 2006 came out and said (in 2013) that he regretted describing them as no go zones. He even said that compared to Detroit and The Bronx they looked fine. When someone like Pipes admits he screwed up perhaps you need to rethink.
                  Come out here to the "Beautiful Pacific NorthWest" sometime and I'll take you to a few interesting spots. If we're lucky, when I come back to pick you up 24 hours later, in whole or parts, we can consider to call you lucky. I promise not to refer to such locales as "No-Go Zones"!

                  Originally posted by Sergio View Post
                  As for the links - you posted a list of 5 must read books. The 3 authors that I have heard of are considered laughable by most. I did not say that you are editing the posts, but you are the one posting must read lists full of nonsense. Perhaps rethink your recommendations - or are you now saying that you do not recommend them as being good books on the topic?
                  I hope you were able to "copy-paste" most of this since it fits your usual Screed of propaganda from the Marxist~Socialist~Regressive~Left
                  Likely your "... laughable by most." is the usual small, elitist, narcissistic, "intellectual", mental dwarfs common to academia. "Islam is a religion of Peace" Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, ...

                  All so common you try to pick the nits of some sources I present, the better and more mature response would have been to present some alternate sources of "your" choosing, but I suspect that requires a bigger "pair" than you possess.

                  Having not read any of these books through, I'd hesitate to give a full and objective assessment, but based on their titles and brief descriptions, I'd say they seem to fit the theme of this thread, which is a concept you don't ...

                  Have you considered starting your own "Islam ain't so Baad, It's a Religion of Peace" thread and seeing what sort of traction you get

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                  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                    Come out here to the "Beautiful Pacific NorthWest" sometime and I'll take you to a few interesting spots. If we're lucky, when I come back to pick you up 24 hours later, in whole or parts, we can consider to call you lucky. I promise not to refer to such locales as "No-Go Zones"!



                    I hope you were able to "copy-paste" most of this since it fits your usual Screed of propaganda from the Marxist~Socialist~Regressive~Left
                    Likely your "... laughable by most." is the usual small, elitist, narcissistic, "intellectual", mental dwarfs common to academia. "Islam is a religion of Peace" Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, ...

                    All so common you try to pick the nits of some sources I present, the better and more mature response would have been to present some alternate sources of "your" choosing, but I suspect that requires a bigger "pair" than you possess.

                    Having not read any of these books through, I'd hesitate to give a full and objective assessment, but based on their titles and brief descriptions, I'd say they seem to fit the theme of this thread, which is a concept you don't ...

                    Have you considered starting your own "Islam ain't so Baad, It's a Religion of Peace" thread and seeing what sort of traction you get
                    Nit-picking would be finding minor fault in something - not saying that the 3 authors I mentioned are dishonest, laughable and not recommended by most who know what they are talking about. That is quite a step up from nit-picking.

                    Given that I do not think that Islam is 'a religion of peace' I would not start a thread aimed at proving that. When did thinking that authors should know what they are writing about as well as accurately and honestly represent things become a bad, Marxist or leftist thing?

                    Perhaps I was wrong as books written by ideological fools who have been shown to be dishonest and factually inaccurate do fit the nature of this thread.
                    "Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it"
                    G.B Shaw

                    "They promised us homes fit for heroes, they give us heroes fit for homes."
                    Grandad, Only Fools and Horses

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                    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      All so common you try to pick the nits of some sources I present, the better and more mature response would have been to present some alternate sources of "your" choosing, but I suspect that requires a bigger "pair" than you possess.

                      Having not read any of these books through, I'd hesitate to give a full and objective assessment, but based on their titles and brief descriptions, I'd say they seem to fit the theme of this thread, which is a concept you don't ...

                      Have you considered starting your own "Islam ain't so Baad, It's a Religion of Peace" thread and seeing what sort of traction you get

                      So you haven't read any of the books on the list, check. So they aren't really 'your' sources then are they..........

                      You need balls to do a lot of things, debating on the internet isn't one them.
                      Last edited by Paddybhoy; 24 Jan 15, 12:04.

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                      • Why the West is Losing to Islamic Supremacists

                        Feb. 6, 2015 9:00am
                        Benjamin Weingarten

                        EXCERPTS:
                        During a recent lecture on the nature of and threat posed by Iran, with whom President Barack Obama’s Chamberlainian negotiations continue apace, an existential question arose: Why does the West remain asleep regarding Islamic Supremacism and the doctrine on which it is based?

                        I posit that there are three main reasons, which also go a long way towards explaining why we are currently losing to the global jihad: (i) Progressive multiculturalism, moral relativism and materialism; (ii) Profound willful ignorance; and (iii) An inability to cope with the staggering implications of the threat we face.

                        Since the days of George W. Bush, we have heard the oft-repeated trope that Islam is a religion of peace, and moreover one of the world’s great religions, with the same ethics, values and principles as Judaism and Christianity.

                        Originally, the Western elite argued that those who killed in the name of Islam were merely misinterpreting and perverting the religion. These, one should note, were the relatively more clear-eyed ones. Others attributed genocidal jihadism to poverty, lack of education or global warming.

                        Now we have completely severed the jihadist head from the Islamic body (theo)politic, arguing that the barbarians who comprise Islamic State, or as the Obama administration obediently likes to say, Daesh, in spite of the first “I” standing for “Islamic,” are nihilists.

                        For a people steeped in progressivism for decades, this can be the only reasonable conclusion.

                        Islamic supremacism does not comport with the belief system of our elites, who assert that all peoples are the same, all religions consist of the same values and beliefs, and that material concerns trump all others, including spiritual or idealist ones.
                        ...
                        This pervasive misunderstanding of Islam reflects a profound ignorance, in that it neglects the fact that the Koran and hadith comprise a unique belief system fundamentally different from, and in fact antithetical to the historically Judeo-Christian West.

                        For those interested, there is a mass of literature from authors such as Dr. Andrew Bostom, Andrew McCarthy, Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye’or who lay this out in concrete and copiously sourced terms.

                        Better yet, look to the texts and words of leading Islamic scholars such as Hassan Al Banna and Sayyid Qutb, prominent modern-day figures like Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, Ayatollah Khameini, Hassan Nasrallah, and the content being taught at mosques right here in America.

                        If you would like to ignore the compendium of Islamic doctrine that calls for and compels Muslims to bring about a totalitarian world under which all submit to Allah’s rule, all one has to do is look at states whose governments are based in Shariah law to see Islam in practice.
                        ...
                        http://www.theblaze.com/contribution...-supremacists/


                        A reminder that in the linked article, "red ink" is a click link to the cited source/author/work/etc. In the excerpts above the underlined should also work that way.
                        Last edited by G David Bock; 07 Feb 15, 17:08.

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                        • Another thread on this forum has presented a couple of articles by Lt. Col. Ralph Peters(Ret.) that would seem to complement the themes here, or the themes here compliment them ;
                          The thread;
                          http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...d.php?t=156052

                          Constant Conflict (21st Century forecast)
                          http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle3011.htm

                          Spotting the Losers: Seven Signs of Non-Competitive States

                          http://strategicstudiesinstitute.arm...ing/peters.htm

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                          • The following is a rather long article, but noteworthy for coming from what is usually a left leaning publication, and for being fairly honest and accurate (especially more so than the WH). ISIS is the org and agenda which is an extension of what this thread is intended to be about. :

                            What ISIS Really Wants

                            The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.

                            By
                            Graeme Wood March 2015

                            What is the Islamic State?

                            Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.
                            ...
                            Our ignorance of the Islamic State is in some ways understandable: It is a hermit kingdom; few have gone there and returned. Baghdadi has spoken on camera only once. But his address, and the Islamic State’s countless other propaganda videos and encyclicals, are online, and the caliphate’s supporters have toiled mightily to make their project knowable. We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger of—and headline player in—the imminent end of the world.

                            The Islamic State, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), follows a distinctive variety of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy, and can help the West know its enemy and predict its behavior. Its rise to power is less like the triumph of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (a group whose leaders the Islamic State considers apostates) than like the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.
                            ...
                            http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/
                            Last edited by G David Bock; 18 Feb 15, 19:41.

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                            • What ISIS ~ ISIL Wants - Part IV

                              ^With post #34 here, I detailed some of the key concepts of Woods' article above;
                              http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forum...85#post2989885

                              Here's a fourth concept to work with;
                              EXCERPT:
                              ...
                              II. Territory

                              Tens of thousands of foreign Muslims are thought to have immigrated to the Islamic State. Recruits hail from France, the United Kingdom, Belgium, Germany, Holland, Australia, Indonesia, the United States, and many other places. Many have come to fight, and many intend to die.

                              Peter R. Neumann, a professor at King’s College London, told me that online voices have been essential to spreading propaganda and ensuring that newcomers know what to believe. Online recruitment has also widened the demographics of the jihadist community, by allowing conservative Muslim women—physically isolated in their homes—to reach out to recruiters, radicalize, and arrange passage to Syria. Through its appeals to both genders, the Islamic State hopes to build a complete society.

                              In November, I traveled to Australia to meet Musa Cerantonio, a 30-year-old man whom Neumann and other researchers had identified as one of the two most important “new spiritual authorities” guiding foreigners to join the Islamic State. ...
                              ...
                              ... He seemed to be living out a drama that looks, from an outsider’s perspective, like a medieval fantasy novel, only with real blood.
                              ...
                              ... But Cerantonio, like many supporters of the Islamic State, doesn’t acknowledge that caliphate as legitimate, because it didn’t fully enforce Islamic law, which requires stonings and slavery and amputations, and because its caliphs were not descended from the tribe of the Prophet, the Quraysh.
                              ...
                              ... Like bin Laden before him, Baghdadi spoke floridly, with frequent scriptural allusion and command of classical rhetoric. Unlike bin Laden, and unlike those false caliphs of the Ottoman empire, he is Qurayshi.

                              The caliphate, Cerantonio told me, is not just a political entity but also a vehicle for salvation. Islamic State propaganda regularly reports the pledges of baya’a (allegiance) rolling in from jihadist groups across the Muslim world. Cerantonio quoted a Prophetic saying, that to die without pledging allegiance is to die jahil (ignorant) and therefore die a “death of disbelief.” Consider how Muslims (or, for that matter, Christians) imagine God deals with the souls of people who die without learning about the one true religion. They are neither obviously saved nor definitively condemned. Similarly, Cerantonio said, the Muslim who acknowledges one omnipotent god and prays, but who dies without pledging himself to a valid caliph and incurring the obligations of that oath, has failed to live a fully Islamic life. I pointed out that this means the vast majority of Muslims in history, and all who passed away between 1924 and 2014, died a death of disbelief. Cerantonio nodded gravely. “I would go so far as to say that Islam has been reestablished” by the caliphate.
                              ...
                              To be the caliph, one must meet conditions outlined in Sunni law—being a Muslim adult man of Quraysh descent; exhibiting moral probity and physical and mental integrity; and having ’amr, or authority. This last criterion, Cerantonio said, is the hardest to fulfill, and requires that the caliph have territory in which he can enforce Islamic law. Baghdadi’s Islamic State achieved that long before June 29, Cerantonio said, and as soon as it did, a Western convert within the group’s ranks—Cerantonio described him as “something of a leader”—began murmuring about the religious obligation to declare a caliphate. He and others spoke quietly to those in power and told them that further delay would be sinful.

                              Social-media posts from the Islamic State suggest that executions happen more or less continually.

                              ...
                              After Baghdadi’s July sermon, a stream of jihadists began flowing daily into Syria with renewed motivation. Jürgen Todenhöfer, a German author and former politician who visited the Islamic State in December, reported the arrival of 100 fighters at one Turkish-border recruitment station in just two days. His report, among others, suggests a still-steady inflow of foreigners, ready to give up everything at home for a shot at paradise in the worst place on Earth.
                              ...
                              http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/
                              Last edited by G David Bock; 22 Feb 15, 22:14.

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                              • What ISIS ~ ISIL Wants - Part V

                                ^ Continuing on :
                                ...
                                Before the caliphate, “maybe 85 percent of the Sharia was absent from our lives,” Choudary told me. “These laws are in abeyance until we have khilafa”—a caliphate—“and now we have one.” Without a caliphate, for example, individual vigilantes are not obliged to amputate the hands of thieves they catch in the act. But create a caliphate, and this law, along with a huge body of other jurisprudence, suddenly awakens. In theory, all Muslims are obliged to immigrate to the territory where the caliph is applying these laws. ...
                                ...
                                The caliph is required to implement Sharia. ... In return, the caliph commands obedience—and those who persist in supporting non-Muslim governments, after being duly warned and educated about their sin, are considered apostates.

                                Choudary said Sharia has been misunderstood because of its incomplete application by regimes such as Saudi Arabia, which does behead murderers and cut off thieves’ hands. “The problem,” he explained, “is that when places like Saudi Arabia just implement the penal code, and don’t provide the social and economic justice of the Sharia—the whole package—they simply engender hatred toward the Sharia.” That whole package, he said, would include free housing, food, and clothing for all, though of course anyone who wished to enrich himself with work could do so.

                                Abdul Muhid, 32, continued along these lines. He was dressed in mujahideen chic when I met him at a local restaurant: scruffy beard, Afghan cap, and a wallet outside of his clothes, attached with what looked like a shoulder holster. When we sat down, he was eager to discuss welfare. The Islamic State may have medieval-style punishments for moral crimes (lashes for boozing or fornication, stoning for adultery), but its social-welfare program is, at least in some aspects, progressive to a degree that would please an MSNBC pundit. Health care, he said, is free. (“Isn’t it free in Britain, too?,” I asked. “Not really,” he said. “Some procedures aren’t covered, such as vision.”) This provision of social welfare was not, he said, a policy choice of the Islamic State, but a policy obligation inherent in God’s law.
                                ...
                                III. The Apocalypse
                                ...
                                http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/

                                So, a nearly 1400 year old Theocratic "International" Socialism ("Communism") that predates K. Marx !

                                Guess it's all those slaves whom will do the labor to give "free" housing, food, clothing to the "All".



                                TANSTAAFL!

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