Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Islam - Jihad - GWOT

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Before it gets lost in another thread;

    The Islamic State and Islam

    [EXCERPT];
    What relationship does the Islamic State have to Islam?

    “Absolutely nothing” is the answer almost every Western politician gives.

    For example, U.S. President Obama adamantly stated in a televised speech that the Islamic State “is not Islamic.”

    This begs the question: How does one determine what is—and is not—Islamic?

    The traditional answer, the Islamic answer, has been as follows:
    What do the core texts and scriptures of Islam say about the thing in question, call it “X”? Does the Koran, believed by Muslims to contain the literal commands of Allah, call for or justify X? Do the hadith and sira texts—which purport to record the sayings and deeds of Allah’s prophet, whom the Koran (e.g., 33:21) exhorts Muslims to emulate in all ways—call for or justify X?

    If any ambiguity still remains concerning X, the next question becomes: what is the consensus (ijma‘) of the Islamic world’s leading authorities concerning X? Here one must often turn to the tafsirs, or exegeses of Islam’s most learned men—the ulema—and consider their conclusions.

    Muhammad himself reportedly said that “My umma [Islamic nation] will never be in agreement over an error.”

    For example, the Koran commands believers to uphold prayers; accordingly, all are agreed that Muslims need to pray. Yet the Koran does not specify how many times. In the hadith and sira, however, Muhammad makes clear believers should pray five times. And the ulema, having considered all these texts, are agreed that Muslims are to pray five times a day.

    Thus, it is most certainly Islamic for Muslims to pray five times a day.

    But while both Western politicians and Islamic apologists readily accept such methodology to determining what is Islamic—prayer is in the Koran, Muhammad clarified its implementation in the hadith, and the ulema are agreed to it—whenever the thing in question deals with anything that makes Islam “look bad,” then the aforementioned standard approach to ascertaining what is Islamic is wholly ignored.

    Let us consider some of the most extreme acts committed by the Islamic State—beheadings, crucifixions, enslavements, sexual predations, massacres, and the persecution of religious minorities—and put them to the test, see if they fill the same criteria, see if they are Islamic or not, especially in the context of jihad, which has its own set of rules.
    ...
    ~~~
    ...
    Based on the above exposition, it is false to say, as President Obama does, that the Islamic State “is not Islamic.” Indeed, even in the most savage of details—including triumphing over the mutilated corpses of “infidels” and laughing while posing with their decapitated heads—the Islamic State finds support in the Koran and stories of the prophet.

    It is dishonest to accept the methodology of Islamic jurisprudence—is X part of the Koran, hadith, sira, and does it have consensus among the ulema?—but then to reject this same methodology whenever X is something that makes Islam look “bad.”

    In the context of jihad, all that the Islamic State is doing—beheadings, crucifixions, massacres, sexual enslavements, and the subjugation of religious minorities—is Islamic.

    http://humanevents.com/2014/10/21/th...ate-and-islam/
    Question, ISIS are Muslims got it but are the majority of people who they have fought, occupied and murdered not also Muslims?

    Comment


    • I believe the distinction is "believers" and "non believers",

      it's possible to be a Muslim and still be prosecuted because you adhere to the wrong prophet,

      in theory it should also be possible to be a Christian for example and be fine, since Christ is still considered a prophet, not a bad one either - just not THE prophet.

      In reality I suspect they just kill all who oppose them.
      High Admiral Snowy, Commander In Chief of the Naval Forces of The Phoenix Confederation.
      Major Atticus Finch - ACW Rainbow Co.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
        So human trafficking and sex slavery is only a problem when Muslims do it check.
        Apparently the title, topic, and focus of this thread is one of many concepts that eludes your limited capacity to understand. A more fitting response would be to show an example of followers of a currently existing alternate religion, say Buddhist for example, that also has dogma and scripture supporting "human trafficking and sex slavery" and example of them doing such.

        When I was a child, my parents often would state something like, "Just because Tommy and Billy jump off a cliff doesn't mean you have to also." Implication being that wrong behavior by others doesn't justify or sanction wrong behavior by you. The logic and morality of this concept seems to be one of many that eludes the limited mental and moral capacity of most "Liberals" (and why some of us often refer to them as libtards ).

        Would seem you have no issue or objection to Jihadis engaging in abhorrent actions since other groups and types of humans also do such. Also looks as if you have little concern or sympathy for the victims of such.

        Further, you seem to be unable to grasp the nuances and distinctions of Jihadis versus Muslims in general. Another shortcoming and trait common to liberals whom enable, if not outright support and condone the Jihadis and their agenda.

        For someone whom claims to be some form of recent college/higher education graduate you aren't setting a positive example of the quality and competence of the "Scotchland" education system.
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
          Question, ISIS are Muslims got it but are the majority of people who they have fought, occupied and murdered not also Muslims?
          It's that nuance and finer points thing presented through out this thread you seem to have a challenge with. For example, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon, Lutheran, Catholic could all be considered Christian, but each sect or faction has varied interpretations and actions of applying the broader range of Scripture, slight variance of dogma. Similar applies within Islam among Muslims.

          ISIS/IS, like AQ, Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliban, and several others lean towards more fundamental and literal application of Islamic scripture and dogma and consider their fellow Muslim "targets" as heretics whom aren't following and practicing the Correct Form of Islam. Think Lenin versus Trotsky for another example that might better fit your mindset.

          As for recent posts and material, there are distinctions where in most cases Muslim are not allowed to be enslaved, but non Muslims are.
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
            I believe the distinction is "believers" and "non believers",

            it's possible to be a Muslim and still be prosecuted because you adhere to the wrong prophet,

            in theory it should also be possible to be a Christian for example and be fine, since Christ is still considered a prophet, not a bad one either - just not THE prophet.

            In reality I suspect they just kill all who oppose them.
            Christians and Jews are considered similar followers of "The Book" and in some cases can survive in Muslim dominated land as second class citizens paying an extra "tax" and under restrictions about practicing and displaying their religion, must live by Shira, etc.

            For Muslims, there is only ONE and the most true of prophets, that is Mohammad. There are three expressions of Islamic scripture and dogma and these were covered in the opening posts and pages of this thread, and it is the varied interpretations of such that lead to differences and violence within Islam of Muslim upon Muslim. Most common example the schism between Sunni and Shia (somewhat like between Catholics and Protestants).
            Last edited by G David Bock; 23 Oct 14, 20:16.
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

            Comment


            • Six Questions With Geert Wilders
              A defender of Western civilization speaks.
              EXCERPT:
              ...
              How big is the threat to the West from Islamic civilizational jihad? Is our focus on terrorism overlooking other, perhaps more insidious means?
              Islam is a totalitarian ideology aiming for world domination. It wants to establish a worldwide caliphate, ruled by Sharia law — undemocratic, intolerant, barbarian, inhuman.

              Terror and violence are just one method which is used in order to achieve this aim. There are other methods, such as conquest by hijra (immigration). Muhammad himself gave this example of hijra when he conquered Medina. This town, which was originally a tolerant and partly Jewish oasis, became Islamic after Muhammad and his followers settled there and took it over.

              Western leaders focus solely on terrorism, but fail to see the purpose which terrorism is serving: Islamic world dominance. They should focus on fighting the global imperialist plans of Islam and treat terrorism as one of the means used to achieve this goal.
              ...
              How do you resuscitate traditional Western culture in the face of the encroachment we're seeing? Or is Europe inevitably lost?
              The European nations need to rediscover and reassert their identity. If Europe fails to stand up for its own culture and identity, it, will, indeed, be lost to Islam. Time is running out. Islam is assertive and aggressive.

              Europe should be assertive in countering Islam. Europe needs to turn the tide of Islamization and start a de-Islamization process.

              Here are five things which should be done:

              1) Europe should close its borders to all immigration from Islamic countries.

              2) It should stimulate voluntary re-emigration;

              3) and it should expel all criminals with a dual nationality to the country of their other nationality.

              4) It should demand that everyone with a passport from an Islamic country, who wishes to remain living in Western Europe, sign a declaration in which he or she distances himself or herself from Sharia law and the violent commands of the Koran.

              5) People who join the jihad have to be expelled, even it they only have our nationality. They can go and live in the Islamic State and no longer belong here.
              ...
              http://spectator.org/articles/60708/...-geert-wilders
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

              Comment


              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                Apparently the title, topic, and focus of this thread is one of many concepts that eludes your limited capacity to understand. A more fitting response would be to show an example of followers of a currently existing alternate religion, say Buddhist for example, that also has dogma and scripture supporting "human trafficking and sex slavery" and example of them doing such.
                Now that you mention it

                "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do. Exodus 21:7
                http://allafrica.com/stories/201410210175.html

                Rwanda, overwhelmingly Christian and setting for quite a nasty genocide that only happened 20 odd yeats ago.

                But hey Muslims

                Comment


                • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
                  Now that you mention it



                  http://allafrica.com/stories/201410210175.html

                  Rwanda, overwhelmingly Christian and setting for quite a nasty genocide that only happened 20 odd yeats ago.

                  But hey Muslims
                  The "Christians" of Rwanda are promoting and engaging in Global Jihad to conquer and force all humanity to convert and conform to their ideology ?!

                  You are such an effective advertisement of the deficiencies of regressive-socialist-libtard educational systerm.
                  TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                  Comment


                  • Yazidi women tortured, raped, sold into sexual slavery under ISIS control, report says

                    A report released by Amnesty International details the horrors endured by Yazidi women and girls, including some as young as 10, held captive by ISIS.

                    ...
                    http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.633297
                    TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                    Comment


                    • Should go somewhere in the Middle East threads, but not sure where, so here for the moment (and it is connected in a way);
                      Europeans Fund Anti-Israel Libels

                      http://www.meforum.org/4912/european...-israel-libels
                      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

                      Comment


                      • A quote from Winnie.

                        How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
                        Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
                        Credo quia absurdum.


                        Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
                          Now that you mention it




                          But hey Muslims
                          4000 years ago vs. 40 minutes is ago is a reasonable moral equivalence?

                          Good job.
                          "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
                          George Mason
                          Co-author of the Second Amendment
                          during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Cyberknight View Post
                            4000 years ago vs. 40 minutes is ago is a reasonable moral equivalence?

                            Good job.
                            Who is mentioning 4000 years ago or 40 minutes ago? I certainly ain't

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
                              Who is mentioning 4000 years ago or 40 minutes ago? I certainly ain't
                              The Exodus camp law you quoted from the 40 year wilderness escape from Egypt were applicable about 1800 B.C.
                              "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
                              George Mason
                              Co-author of the Second Amendment
                              during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Cyberknight View Post
                                The Exodus camp law you quoted from the 40 year wilderness escape from Egypt were applicable about 1800 B.C.
                                And it is STILL in the Bible.....

                                Comment

                                Latest Topics

                                Collapse

                                Working...
                                X