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  • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Another redeeming aspect of Islam;

    Muslims Sexually Enslaving Children: A Global Phenomenon

    EXCERPT:
    ....
    In order to eliminate sexual immorality from among male Muslim youth, Kuwaiti political activist Salwa al-Mutairi suggested the formal reinstitution of sex-slavery—not unlike what was recently exposed in Rotherham. She said on video that Islam's greatest authorities from Mecca, the city of Islam, all confirmed the legality of sex-slavery to her. According to the Kuwaiti woman:
    A Muslim state must [first] attack a Christian state—sorry, I mean any non-Muslim state—and they [the women, the future sex-slaves] must be captives of the raid. Is this forbidden? Not at all; according to Islam, sex slaves are not at all forbidden. Quite the contrary, the rules regulating sex-slaves differ from those for free women [i.e., Muslim women]: the latter's body must be covered entirely, except for her face and hands, whereas the sex-slave is kept naked from the bellybutton on up—she is different from the free woman; the free woman has to be married properly to her husband, but the sex-slave—he just buys her and that's that…. For example, in the Chechnya war, surely there are female Russian captives. So go and buy those and sell them here in Kuwait; better that than have our men engage in forbidden sexual relations. I don't see any problem in this, no problem at all.
    What happened in Rotherham is hardly an aberration. Rather, it is Islam coming to town, Muslims growing in numbers. Even Dr. Taj Hargey, a British imam, just confirmed that the majority of the UK's "imams promote grooming rings." He said Muslim men are taught that women are "second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority" and that the imams preach a doctrine "that denigrates all women, but treats whites with particular contempt."
    ...
    http://www.meforum.org/4795/muslims-...ldren-a-global


    As for Rotherham;
    EXCERPT:
    There are no words for the horror of Rotherham.

    More than 1,400 young girls have been raped and brutally exploited in the northern England town of roughly 250,000 over the past 16 years, while nearly everyone in authority did all he or she could to look the other way.
    An independent investigation released last week says: “It is hard to describe the appalling nature of the abuse that child victims suffered.

    They were raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked to other towns and cities in the north of England, abducted, beaten, and intimidated.”
    In other words, the local government tolerated sexual violence on a vast scale. Why? In part, because the criminals who committed these sickening acts were Muslims from the local Pakistani community, and noticing their depravity was considered insensitive at best, racist at worst.

    The British home secretary says “institutionalized political correctness” contributed to the abandonment of hundreds of girls to their tormentors. Imagine something out of the nightmarish world of Stieg Larsson, brought to life and abetted by the muddle-headed cowardice of people who fear the disapproval of the diversity police.

    In Rotherham, multiculturalism triumphed over not just feminism, but over the law, over basic human decency, and over civilization itself.
    ....
    http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ure-rich-lowry

    Salwa al-Mutairi: failed politician

    Dr. Taj Hargey: is quite a naughty chap apparently

    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...newspaper1.jpg

    Back to the ole' drawing board

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    • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
      Salwa al-Mutairi: failed politician

      Dr. Taj Hargey: is quite a naughty chap apparently

      http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...newspaper1.jpg

      Back to the ole' drawing board
      Most politicians have periods in their life where they could be called "failed", sometimes that may be for the better of society, but in this case are you claiming one of several sources having reduced career success invalidates the articles and situations described?

      A 24 year old article from that blog. Obviously no-one every changes or readjusts themselves or their lives over the span of two plus decades.

      I doubt your efforts to discourage others from reading these articles will deflect attention from the despicable actions of some Muslims that you appear to be supporting and endorsing.

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      • There's failed and then there's FAILED - in the case of omitting to intervene to protect the vulnerable out of concerns over 'political correctness', they FAILED, IMHO, and BIG TIME.

        ps. I can see Rotherham from my living room window - in the middle distance, just the other side of the A57. We have similar ethnic communities here in Sheffield, along with a large new(ish) mosque - funded in part by the local Muslim community but also funded by the more general, and often politically murky, Zakat/Muslim charity.

        pps. Robert Spencer got banned from the UK for speaking the inconvenient truth about Islam:

        http://youtu.be/38fxq7qLG3M

        He was banned for saying things that are likely to foster hated - oh, yeh, hatred and demos from who? Ask the Danes about the 'prophet' cartoons.
        Last edited by Wooden Wonder; 07 Sep 14, 11:33.

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        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
          Most politicians have periods in their life where they could be called "failed", sometimes that may be for the better of society, but in this case are you claiming one of several sources having reduced career success invalidates the articles and situations described?

          A 24 year old article from that blog. Obviously no-one every changes or readjusts themselves or their lives over the span of two plus decades.

          I doubt your efforts to discourage others from reading these articles will deflect attention from the despicable actions of some Muslims that you appear to be supporting and endorsing.
          And sometimes politicians fail because they are crackpots, just like this lady.

          And sometimes a fraudster is still a fraudster after 24 years.
          Last edited by Paddybhoy; 12 Sep 14, 21:23.

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          • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
            And sometimes politicians fail because they are crackpots, just like this lady.

            And sometimes a fraudster is still a fraudster after 24 years.
            Yet only one of several sources cited in the articles, not enough to invalidate the theme, if that is your implication,

            otherwise ... ????

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            • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              Yet only one of several sources cited in the articles, not enough to invalidate the theme, if that is your implication,

              otherwise ... ????
              Kinda is enough, the two public figures are barely fringe types and your news is about another sex abuse scandal to go along with Jersey, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris , the Catholic Church and the Kincora boys home..... and thats just my very Christian neck of the woods

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              • Originally posted by Paddybhoy View Post
                Kinda is enough, the two public figures are barely fringe types and your news is about another sex abuse scandal to go along with Jersey, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris , the Catholic Church and the Kincora boys home..... and thats just my very Christian neck of the woods
                At least in our neck of the woods there are serious attempts at coming down on such activities - yes, there are bad folks everywhere and also weak authorised decision makers - unfortunately in the 'Noble Qur'an', Sunnah and Hadith we are faced with issues that can/do endorse much unsavoury thought and action.

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                • A response suited to a few of the posters on this board, and a linkage to a few interesting articles (op-eds), quote:

                  ...
                  Let me be perfectly clear: I am not saying that the Islamic State's ideology is the only interpretation of Islam, nor that it is the 'correct' one. What I am saying is that it is a reasoned interpretation. And that is a problem which needs to be understood.

                  John Azumah's argument is presented at a very abstract level. Just to take one example, he does not offer any evidence that the sale of captive women in jihad – as the Islamic State is doing – is against the precedents set by Muhammad, or against the rules of jihad in any of the schools of Islamic jurisprudence. I submit that he does not because he cannot. Such practices are not "eccentric" as he puts it, but they have been widely applied in historical jihad campaigns. Of course Muslims are not the only ones who have done such things, but the point is that such formerly mainstream Islamic warfare practices as selling slaves or beheading captives have been re-emerging for religious reasons: this is something the Islamic State's ideologues have been quite clear about
                  ...
                  http://www.meforum.org/4839/jihadi-i...to-john-azumah

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                  • Ben Affleck: Portrait of Islam's Clueless Apologetics

                    http://www.meforum.org/4847/ben-affl...ss-apologetics

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                    • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                      Ben Affleck: Portrait of Islam's Clueless Apologetics

                      http://www.meforum.org/4847/ben-affl...ss-apologetics

                      Among other nations and territories that were attacked and/or came under Muslim domination are (to give them their modern names in no particular order): Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, Sicily, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Greece, Russia, Poland, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Lithuania, Romania, Albania, Serbia, Armenia, Georgia, Crete, Cyprus, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Macedonia, Belarus, Malta, Sardinia, Moldova, Slovakia, and Montenegro.
                      Switzerland was never occupied/invaded by Muslims to any great degree, certainly never to the point of domination. And unless you are counting the Mongol invasions then a good chunk of that list is wrong.

                      Vytautas the Great Mosque in Lithuania; named after a Christian ruler who is now a national hero for fighting against........ the Teutonic knights


                      In 846 Rome was sacked and the Vatican defiled by Muslim Arab raiders;
                      Nope, the Vatican was never defiled by Muslims during that attack. Rome was however sacked two more times *11th and 16 century BY CHRISTIANS.

                      Nor did America escape. A few years after the formation of the United States, in 1800, American trading ships in the Mediterranean were plundered and their sailors enslaved by Muslim corsairs.
                      Really? America couldn't escape or tolerate the evils of slavery in 1800, really?

                      Here is a wee extra gem.

                      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9...uxembourg.html

                      Forget about the Muslims we need to watch out for those Brits, they seem a right shower of c**ts
                      Last edited by Paddybhoy; 11 Oct 14, 08:08.

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                      • Muhammad and Islam's Sex Slaves

                        Once again, Islamic State Muslims are pointing to Islam in order to justify what the civilized world counts as atrocities.
                        According to an October 13 report in the Telegraph,
                        Islamic State jihadists have given detailed theological reasons justifying why they have taken thousands of women from the Iraqi Yazidi minority and sold them into sex slavery.
                        A new article in the Islamic State English-language online magazine Dabiq not only admits the practice but justifies it according to the theological rulings of early Islam.
                        "After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the Sharia amongst the fighters of the Islamic State who participated," the article says.
                        As for "theological reasons" for sex slavery "according to the Sharia," these are legion—from male Muslim clerics, to female Muslim activists. Generally they need do no more than cite the clear words of Koran 4:3, which permit Muslims to copulate with female captives of war, or ma malakat aymanukum, "what"—not whom—"your right hands possess."
                        ...
                        [/url]http://www.meforum.org/4855/muhammad-and-islam-sex-slaves[/url]

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                        • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                          Muhammad and Islam's Sex Slaves

                          Once again, Islamic State Muslims are pointing to Islam in order to justify what the civilized world counts as atrocities.
                          According to an October 13 report in the Telegraph,
                          Islamic State jihadists have given detailed theological reasons justifying why they have taken thousands of women from the Iraqi Yazidi minority and sold them into sex slavery.
                          A new article in the Islamic State English-language online magazine Dabiq not only admits the practice but justifies it according to the theological rulings of early Islam.
                          "After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the Sharia amongst the fighters of the Islamic State who participated," the article says.
                          As for "theological reasons" for sex slavery "according to the Sharia," these are legion—from male Muslim clerics, to female Muslim activists. Generally they need do no more than cite the clear words of Koran 4:3, which permit Muslims to copulate with female captives of war, or ma malakat aymanukum, "what"—not whom—"your right hands possess."
                          ...
                          [/url]http://www.meforum.org/4855/muhammad-and-islam-sex-slaves[/url]

                          http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ld-sex-3175123

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                          • And the linkage of criminal activities by gangsters and similar by religious zealots in the name of their religion is .... ???

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                            • Before it gets lost in another thread;

                              The Islamic State and Islam

                              [EXCERPT];
                              What relationship does the Islamic State have to Islam?

                              “Absolutely nothing” is the answer almost every Western politician gives.

                              For example, U.S. President Obama adamantly stated in a televised speech that the Islamic State “is not Islamic.”

                              This begs the question: How does one determine what is—and is not—Islamic?

                              The traditional answer, the Islamic answer, has been as follows:
                              What do the core texts and scriptures of Islam say about the thing in question, call it “X”? Does the Koran, believed by Muslims to contain the literal commands of Allah, call for or justify X? Do the hadith and sira texts—which purport to record the sayings and deeds of Allah’s prophet, whom the Koran (e.g., 33:21) exhorts Muslims to emulate in all ways—call for or justify X?

                              If any ambiguity still remains concerning X, the next question becomes: what is the consensus (ijma‘) of the Islamic world’s leading authorities concerning X? Here one must often turn to the tafsirs, or exegeses of Islam’s most learned men—the ulema—and consider their conclusions.

                              Muhammad himself reportedly said that “My umma [Islamic nation] will never be in agreement over an error.”

                              For example, the Koran commands believers to uphold prayers; accordingly, all are agreed that Muslims need to pray. Yet the Koran does not specify how many times. In the hadith and sira, however, Muhammad makes clear believers should pray five times. And the ulema, having considered all these texts, are agreed that Muslims are to pray five times a day.

                              Thus, it is most certainly Islamic for Muslims to pray five times a day.

                              But while both Western politicians and Islamic apologists readily accept such methodology to determining what is Islamic—prayer is in the Koran, Muhammad clarified its implementation in the hadith, and the ulema are agreed to it—whenever the thing in question deals with anything that makes Islam “look bad,” then the aforementioned standard approach to ascertaining what is Islamic is wholly ignored.

                              Let us consider some of the most extreme acts committed by the Islamic State—beheadings, crucifixions, enslavements, sexual predations, massacres, and the persecution of religious minorities—and put them to the test, see if they fill the same criteria, see if they are Islamic or not, especially in the context of jihad, which has its own set of rules.
                              ...
                              ~~~
                              ...
                              Based on the above exposition, it is false to say, as President Obama does, that the Islamic State “is not Islamic.” Indeed, even in the most savage of details—including triumphing over the mutilated corpses of “infidels” and laughing while posing with their decapitated heads—the Islamic State finds support in the Koran and stories of the prophet.

                              It is dishonest to accept the methodology of Islamic jurisprudence—is X part of the Koran, hadith, sira, and does it have consensus among the ulema?—but then to reject this same methodology whenever X is something that makes Islam look “bad.”

                              In the context of jihad, all that the Islamic State is doing—beheadings, crucifixions, massacres, sexual enslavements, and the subjugation of religious minorities—is Islamic.

                              http://humanevents.com/2014/10/21/th...ate-and-islam/

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                              • Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                                And the linkage of criminal activities by gangsters and similar by religious zealots in the name of their religion is .... ???
                                So human trafficking and sex slavery is only a problem when Muslims do it check.

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