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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Why David. You have heart....support Jihad and Crusade against ISIL as I do
    When you include ALL Islamic Jihadist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah as well, renounce the validity of Sharia Law, and abrogate the passages of Islamic scripture placing non-Muslims in non-equal standing with Muslims, we might find common ground.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    We will continue to be at opposite poles on this issue since I find nothing redeeming with Islam after it leaves it's intended regional locale of the Arab tribes of the Arabian pennisula.

    ISIS unleash lady jihadi BITING BRIGADE armed with 'metal jaws' to tear women to death

    ISIS's all lady jihadi brigade have been unleashed armed with "metal jaws" to bite other women to death for religious crimes.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...s-Black-Jihadi
    Why David. You have heart....support Jihad and Crusade against ISIL as I do

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Tell me something good about Jihad G David Bock....



    and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some ugly Muslim from Saudi Arabia.....and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some liberal who uses terms like "moderate" or "Extremist" Muslim.



    Give me the Jihad from the Ottoman Empire....the true Jihad like the true Crusade of that of Frederick II or Saint Francis of Assisi.

    I support Jihad all the way.

    And I support Crusade all the way.
    We will continue to be at opposite poles on this issue since I find nothing redeeming with Islam after it leaves it's intended regional locale of the Arab tribes of the Arabian pennisula.

    ISIS unleash lady jihadi BITING BRIGADE armed with 'metal jaws' to tear women to death

    ISIS's all lady jihadi brigade have been unleashed armed with "metal jaws" to bite other women to death for religious crimes.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...s-Black-Jihadi

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Tell me something good about Jihad G David Bock....



    and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some ugly Muslim from Saudi Arabia.....and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some liberal who uses terms like "moderate" or "Extremist" Muslim.



    Give me the Jihad from the Ottoman Empire....the true Jihad like the true Crusade of that of Frederick II or Saint Francis of Assisi.

    I support Jihad all the way.

    And I support Crusade all the way.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
    What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
    Except when there is an accepted Caliph; which is both spiritual and religious leader of Islam, think Pope and Emporer combined, "official Islam" is a bit divided, first into Sunni and Shia factions, then others and subfactions within them. As you see by our resident defender of Muslims(Islam?), they can say a lot and wind up saying very little.

    If you were to goto the start of this thread, the first couple/few dozen posts you'll see I tried to present many of the basics about Islam and Muslims. However, being over nine years back, many of the links are no longer valid.

    Such is the case here, with regard to post #12 where a former Saudi Jurist presents a lengthy esaay on Jihad. I present a couple of the currently active links, but since there are excerpts of content already present back at posts #12 thru @20 I'll direct you there for the key points.

    Jihad in the Qur'an and Sunnah
    By SHEIKH ABDULLAH BIN MUHAMMAD BIN HUMAID
    http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Jiha...d%20Sunnah.pdf
    http://hraic.com/jihad_in_the_quran_and_sunnah.html - abridged version
    https://archive.org/stream/JihadInTh...unnah_djvu.txt

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
    What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
    I find that the media outlets have negatively influenced your view on Jihad, based on how both liberal and conservative media outlets are using the word Jihad. Well thanks at least for not being like the brainwashed guys out there who insult other people for having the correct view of Jihad which is that ISIL says they carry out Jihad and all non ISIL Muslims say no what ISIL does is not Jihad. This is simply a well known fact....anti Muslims choose to ignore it and go bang on nonstop about how evil Islam is....no different then how in the 1930s so called scholars were warning us of the "dogma" of the evil Judaism. The anti Muslims of today are in the same camp as anti Jews of the 1930s...anyone of today who dares to speak kindly of Islam is labeled by anti Muslims as a "Jihadist" or "apologist" for terrorists.

    Remember that saying from WW2 ....they came for X, then they came for x, then they came for X. Many of the todays agenda driven Jews, Muslims and Christians who have sold themselves out....are critical of not only what they label as "Radical" Muslims"...but also "Radical Jews" and Radical Christians as if the three religions of Abraham can be "radical"...as if there have never been good and decent Jews, Muslims and Christians of history. Well I, along with millions of fellow medievalists will not let the legacy of the men and women of the middle ages fall into darkness.

    Yes, Crusade and Jihad are honorable. Where do you think great tales such as Robin Hood and Aladdin came from...these were from Muslims and Christians of the middle ages. I have seen liberal and conservative contributors to the various media outlets suggest ISIL is the same as the Crusaders. Can't you see what is occurring here, ugly people are attempting to destroy our ancestors history.. Im talking about our ancestors who took up Crusade are being mocked by ignorant and agenda driven so called scholars. Sure, we can all agree the middle ages was not a time of perfection, but certainly the middle ages was not a dark and dull time.

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  • G David Bock
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    Lengthy but informative and accurate article (forwarded it to my son whom works on this sort of thing with Immigration/ICE):

    Smoking Out Islamists via Extreme Vetting

    http://www.meforum.org/6505/smoking-...b3a0d-33661481

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Islam, Judaism and Christianity teach to fight for righteous reasons,

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...m=F1STR5525M2D

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Similar to the history of Roman Polytheists...the Jews, Muslims, Christians and other monotheists are not perfect people.

    The Romans were fighters, but IMo they were not brutal toward any tribes. There is a reason for everything...what benefit would Rome have had if it actually severely discriminated against any culture? I disagree with the viewpoint that the Roman Empire were violent or discriminatory against any groups. Did Germanic tribes not try to take over Rome? How would you react to the Germanic Tribes attacking your lands if for example if you were a Roman living in the Roman Empire.


    I find that most Romans would have sided with FDR...not Hitler... had the Roman Empire or Roman Republic been around during WW2. You might ask how so? Answer is easy...it is historic fact that numerous cultures served the Roman Empire such as Africans and Arabs. So the Romans would have been appalled at Hitlers "racial" beliefs. The Romans would have felt Hitler was wasting good resources with his racial superiority beliefs. Wr the Romans, it was not only Julius Caesar who practiced multiculturalism btw ,


    Guy MacLean Rogers, the Macricostas chair of Hellenic and Modern Greek Studies at WestConn, said he found Chua's description of the Persian Empire -- both in its imperialism and militarism but also its tolerance of the different religions and customs of the people it conquered -- as an accurate portrayal of that empire.

    He also agreed that the Roman Empire was the first to develop a sense of citizenship that transcended regional boundaries.

    "Rome was a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic empire," Rogers said. "Anyone could be a Roman citizen. That's an incredibly important point."

    And while some historians might disagree that Rome's decline came when its emperors converted to Christianity and excluded people from the empire because of religious intolerance, Rogers said that's a point scholars have been debating for a couple of centuries.


    http://www.newstimes.com/news/articl...rise-48250.php
    Find your defence of barbaric Romans quite amusing
    After all imperial tyranny of ummayyads was based on Roman model so ofcourse you would like it
    Anyway you can believe what you want my friend
    Nice chatting with you

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Anyone can intrepret any religion however they want, you dont see this. ISILs Jihad is not the same as the Jihad of Muslims in Iraq ad Syria who team with Christians to fight ISIL. Again, no response whatsoever from you on Muslims who fight ISIL...just more emoticons.


    And no response from you on the fact that Bishops and Priests said Jesus was the leader of the Crusaders. Its all good, say w/e you want I disagree with you thats all.
    Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
    What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
    Last edited by nastle; 28 Jan 17, 09:37.

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Well if the book is critical of Jihad I wont read it, like how I wont read a book critical of Mitzvah or Crusade.


    I find any Muslim(however they dress) who supports ISIL is a hypocrite and should be jailed.

    Im a Christian.. I believe in the same texts as KKK and Third Reich Christians. The texts of holy books cant be the problem, its how one intrprets the text that can be the problem. And this last point is missed by anti Muslims, anti Muslims either dont know, or do know and just dont care that there are Muslims teaming with Christians to fight ISIL.
    If you cannot read a book critical of jihad or crusades then any debate is pointless
    Interpretation is not the issue here if prophet Muhammad is a model for all humans to emulate in 21st century and Quran is the literal word of God ...muslims have boxed themselves in.
    They had a chance with the mutazila but orthodoxy killed that debate and the so called peaceful Muslims are still in grip of these mullahs that preach apartheid state.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Those people are not your friends. And the fact of the matter is if you look at the comments section of your two extremely offensive videos above...you will see similar comments in the following video,
    '


    Lets see how you and others react to the above video...which is overwhelmingly liked compared to disliked. You guys talk alot about Muslims...well the fact is that many of the people whom agree with you and G David Bocks anti Muslim views are also anti Jews. Now sure we have free speech, and I am better then anti Jews and anti Muslims so I can handle any kind of speech, I'm not hurt by words...but if you actually agree with those anti Muslim videos you and Bock are in the same camp as those who like the video I posted in this post.
    Your multiculturalism video is a pile of crap. Number of likes or dislikes says more about the people whom have seen this than about the merit of it's content. Blatant "Protocals of the Elders of Zion" rehashed that would be endorsed by Nazis, Islamic Jihadists, and socialists/communists, and many of the Left/Liberals I happen to know personally, etc.
    Last edited by G David Bock; 28 Jan 17, 12:39.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Anyone can intrepret any religion however they want, you dont see this. ISILs Jihad is not the same as the Jihad of Muslims in Iraq ad Syria who team with Christians to fight ISIL. Again, no response whatsoever from you on Muslims who fight ISIL...just more emoticons.


    And no response from you on the fact that Bishops and Priests said Jesus was the leader of the Crusaders. Its all good, say w/e you want I disagree with you thats all.
    The text references speak for them selves and leave little room to interpret otherwise in a literal sense. I'm aware that Jihad has a few meanings/applications in duplicitous Muslim minds, and that Muslims fight each other over "correct" Islam as much as they fight we infidels/kafirs. You don't comment against the Shia supported Jihad/Terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah much I notice (could that be sign of your Farsi "allegiance"?)

    Jesus may have been a "spiritual" leader of the Crusaders and too bad they weren't more effective, but by that same token makes Muhammad the leader of the Islamic Jihadists. But my point you either don't grasp or intentionally obsuficate is what either person did durring their physical lifetime on this planet. Muhammad was a thug, killer, rapist and pillager operating in the name of "Allah"/Gawd and established a religion advocating those actions in the pursuit of it's expansion to non-believers.

    This is why I maintain Islam is like the Nazi ideology, a scourge upon humanity.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post


    You don't own me nor pay me to post.
    You do react like one of those sensitve, don't hurt my feelings, Muslims though,
    Oh yeah ...

    During his original lifetime (pre-resurection) Jesus did not lead military forces and wage battles/wars. Seem to recall somethin about turn the other cheek coming from him. That bit about him leading the crusades (taking back lands conquered by Muslims) sounds like more Farsi propaganda to me and definitely out of touch with real history. Or can we say that Mohammad is leading ISIS/ISIL in the JIhad to bring Islam to the rest of the world?

    As usual you fail to answer the question of the post you respond to and engage deflection of subject/topic.

    Per the OT, the Jews are to abid by the Covenent, preserve themselves, reside in the small piece of land JHWH assigned them. THey have no mandate to convert the whole world to Judism.

    Jesus Christ encourage his followers to preach his message, maybe talk the ears off of potential converts, but forbid cutting off ears and heads, etc. Gentle persuasion only.

    Mohammad carried a sword and used it, lead his military forces in battles and conquest for conversion and his final instructions to his followers were to continue doing same until they had converted the whole world.

    I see some major differences between these three religions ~ ideologies with deities attached.

    Also, I focus on the faults and negatives of the dogma and scripture of Islam, which you constantly equate to mean an attack upon the followers, Muslims. There is a distinction of focus and intent here that you either fail to grasp or intentionally distort.

    In theory, religion is a matter of choice, not birth, and I'd like to see Muslims have the choice, not be compelled.



    (Post limit is tweleve images, otherwise I'd have done more rolleyes)


    Anyone can intrepret any religion however they want, you dont see this. ISILs Jihad is not the same as the Jihad of Muslims in Iraq ad Syria who team with Christians to fight ISIL. Again, no response whatsoever from you on Muslims who fight ISIL...just more emoticons.


    And no response from you on the fact that Bishops and Priests said Jesus was the leader of the Crusaders. Its all good, say w/e you want I disagree with you thats all.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Dont use the rolleyes against me, Im not using rude language or rude emoticons toward you.

    Jesus was the leader of the Crusades....just look at what Priests and Bishops had to say about the Crusades and their relation to Christ.

    And yes, Jews can and have declared Jewish Holy war...see the Zealots, See the Himyarite Kingdom of Yemen and see Israel. Israel praised btw Soviet Jews as they should.

    Islamic, Jewish and Christian Holy war are a part of history. There is no need to denigrate Jihad, Mitzvah or Crusade.


    You don't own me nor pay me to post.
    You do react like one of those sensitve, don't hurt my feelings, Muslims though,
    Oh yeah ...

    During his original lifetime (pre-resurection) Jesus did not lead military forces and wage battles/wars. Seem to recall somethin about turn the other cheek coming from him. That bit about him leading the crusades (taking back lands conquered by Muslims) sounds like more Farsi propaganda to me and definitely out of touch with real history. Or can we say that Mohammad is leading ISIS/ISIL in the JIhad to bring Islam to the rest of the world?

    As usual you fail to answer the question of the post you respond to and engage deflection of subject/topic.

    Per the OT, the Jews are to abid by the Covenent, preserve themselves, reside in the small piece of land JHWH assigned them. THey have no mandate to convert the whole world to Judism.

    Jesus Christ encourage his followers to preach his message, maybe talk the ears off of potential converts, but forbid cutting off ears and heads, etc. Gentle persuasion only.

    Mohammad carried a sword and used it, lead his military forces in battles and conquest for conversion and his final instructions to his followers were to continue doing same until they had converted the whole world.

    I see some major differences between these three religions ~ ideologies with deities attached.

    Also, I focus on the faults and negatives of the dogma and scripture of Islam, which you constantly equate to mean an attack upon the followers, Muslims. There is a distinction of focus and intent here that you either fail to grasp or intentionally distort.

    In theory, religion is a matter of choice, not birth, and I'd like to see Muslims have the choice, not be compelled.



    (Post limit is tweleve images, otherwise I'd have done more rolleyes)

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