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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Anyone can intrepret any religion however they want, you dont see this. ISILs Jihad is not the same as the Jihad of Muslims in Iraq ad Syria who team with Christians to fight ISIL. Again, no response whatsoever from you on Muslims who fight ISIL...just more emoticons.


    And no response from you on the fact that Bishops and Priests said Jesus was the leader of the Crusaders. Its all good, say w/e you want I disagree with you thats all.
    The text references speak for them selves and leave little room to interpret otherwise in a literal sense. I'm aware that Jihad has a few meanings/applications in duplicitous Muslim minds, and that Muslims fight each other over "correct" Islam as much as they fight we infidels/kafirs. You don't comment against the Shia supported Jihad/Terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah much I notice (could that be sign of your Farsi "allegiance"?)

    Jesus may have been a "spiritual" leader of the Crusaders and too bad they weren't more effective, but by that same token makes Muhammad the leader of the Islamic Jihadists. But my point you either don't grasp or intentionally obsuficate is what either person did durring their physical lifetime on this planet. Muhammad was a thug, killer, rapist and pillager operating in the name of "Allah"/Gawd and established a religion advocating those actions in the pursuit of it's expansion to non-believers.

    This is why I maintain Islam is like the Nazi ideology, a scourge upon humanity.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post


    You don't own me nor pay me to post.
    You do react like one of those sensitve, don't hurt my feelings, Muslims though,
    Oh yeah ...

    During his original lifetime (pre-resurection) Jesus did not lead military forces and wage battles/wars. Seem to recall somethin about turn the other cheek coming from him. That bit about him leading the crusades (taking back lands conquered by Muslims) sounds like more Farsi propaganda to me and definitely out of touch with real history. Or can we say that Mohammad is leading ISIS/ISIL in the JIhad to bring Islam to the rest of the world?

    As usual you fail to answer the question of the post you respond to and engage deflection of subject/topic.

    Per the OT, the Jews are to abid by the Covenent, preserve themselves, reside in the small piece of land JHWH assigned them. THey have no mandate to convert the whole world to Judism.

    Jesus Christ encourage his followers to preach his message, maybe talk the ears off of potential converts, but forbid cutting off ears and heads, etc. Gentle persuasion only.

    Mohammad carried a sword and used it, lead his military forces in battles and conquest for conversion and his final instructions to his followers were to continue doing same until they had converted the whole world.

    I see some major differences between these three religions ~ ideologies with deities attached.

    Also, I focus on the faults and negatives of the dogma and scripture of Islam, which you constantly equate to mean an attack upon the followers, Muslims. There is a distinction of focus and intent here that you either fail to grasp or intentionally distort.

    In theory, religion is a matter of choice, not birth, and I'd like to see Muslims have the choice, not be compelled.



    (Post limit is tweleve images, otherwise I'd have done more rolleyes)


    Anyone can intrepret any religion however they want, you dont see this. ISILs Jihad is not the same as the Jihad of Muslims in Iraq ad Syria who team with Christians to fight ISIL. Again, no response whatsoever from you on Muslims who fight ISIL...just more emoticons.


    And no response from you on the fact that Bishops and Priests said Jesus was the leader of the Crusaders. Its all good, say w/e you want I disagree with you thats all.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Dont use the rolleyes against me, Im not using rude language or rude emoticons toward you.

    Jesus was the leader of the Crusades....just look at what Priests and Bishops had to say about the Crusades and their relation to Christ.

    And yes, Jews can and have declared Jewish Holy war...see the Zealots, See the Himyarite Kingdom of Yemen and see Israel. Israel praised btw Soviet Jews as they should.

    Islamic, Jewish and Christian Holy war are a part of history. There is no need to denigrate Jihad, Mitzvah or Crusade.


    You don't own me nor pay me to post.
    You do react like one of those sensitve, don't hurt my feelings, Muslims though,
    Oh yeah ...

    During his original lifetime (pre-resurection) Jesus did not lead military forces and wage battles/wars. Seem to recall somethin about turn the other cheek coming from him. That bit about him leading the crusades (taking back lands conquered by Muslims) sounds like more Farsi propaganda to me and definitely out of touch with real history. Or can we say that Mohammad is leading ISIS/ISIL in the JIhad to bring Islam to the rest of the world?

    As usual you fail to answer the question of the post you respond to and engage deflection of subject/topic.

    Per the OT, the Jews are to abid by the Covenent, preserve themselves, reside in the small piece of land JHWH assigned them. THey have no mandate to convert the whole world to Judism.

    Jesus Christ encourage his followers to preach his message, maybe talk the ears off of potential converts, but forbid cutting off ears and heads, etc. Gentle persuasion only.

    Mohammad carried a sword and used it, lead his military forces in battles and conquest for conversion and his final instructions to his followers were to continue doing same until they had converted the whole world.

    I see some major differences between these three religions ~ ideologies with deities attached.

    Also, I focus on the faults and negatives of the dogma and scripture of Islam, which you constantly equate to mean an attack upon the followers, Muslims. There is a distinction of focus and intent here that you either fail to grasp or intentionally distort.

    In theory, religion is a matter of choice, not birth, and I'd like to see Muslims have the choice, not be compelled.



    (Post limit is tweleve images, otherwise I'd have done more rolleyes)

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post

    I'm not saying ISIL was created by liberals , this trend of antiestablishment religious extremism goes back to 1st century of islam ...or as a Muslim writer once put it "the religious right is the left" that's why my biggest problem is not the ISIS but these bushy beard sporting and hijab wearing "moderate"Muslims who try to pose as liberals in the west but believe in the same holy texts and want the same sharia as ISiS ...either they are total hypocriteshypocrites or totally ignorant of their own holy books and religious laws

    Btw you should read unless already have "end of jihad state " by Khalid Blankenship a great account of how the caliphate economic model was fundamentally dependent on a state of perpetual jihad against infidels
    Well if the book is critical of Jihad I wont read it, like how I wont read a book critical of Mitzvah or Crusade.


    I find any Muslim(however they dress) who supports ISIL is a hypocrite and should be jailed.

    Im a Christian.. I believe in the same texts as KKK and Third Reich Christians. The texts of holy books cant be the problem, its how one intrprets the text that can be the problem. And this last point is missed by anti Muslims, anti Muslims either dont know, or do know and just dont care that there are Muslims teaming with Christians to fight ISIL.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Yes Romans did contribute after they had brutalized a lot of tribes and societies ...so did the Persians so did British and so did every other empire that achieved longevity due to their utter ruthlessness (other than the Mongols maybe)

    Jews were not a threat in Caesars time, if they were he would have made himmler proud.He was a pathological narcissist and war criminal

    Regarding brutality in war I just don't think humans will ever completely be moral and upright in any war,as reading any account of the supposedly the good war (ww2) will tell you.

    I'm not saying ISIL was created by liberals , this trend of antiestablishment religious extremism goes back to 1st century of islam ...or as a Muslim writer once put it "the religious right is the left" that's why my biggest problem is not the ISIS but these bushy beard sporting and hijab wearing "moderate"Muslims who try to pose as liberals in the west but believe in the same holy texts and want the same sharia as ISiS ...either they are total hypocriteshypocrites or totally ignorant of their own holy books and religious laws

    Btw you should read unless already have "end of jihad state " by Khalid Blankenship a great account of how the caliphate economic model was fundamentally dependent on a state of perpetual jihad against infidels
    Similar to the history of Roman Polytheists...the Jews, Muslims, Christians and other monotheists are not perfect people.

    The Romans were fighters, but IMo they were not brutal toward any tribes. There is a reason for everything...what benefit would Rome have had if it actually severely discriminated against any culture? I disagree with the viewpoint that the Roman Empire were violent or discriminatory against any groups. Did Germanic tribes not try to take over Rome? How would you react to the Germanic Tribes attacking your lands if for example if you were a Roman living in the Roman Empire.


    I find that most Romans would have sided with FDR...not Hitler... had the Roman Empire or Roman Republic been around during WW2. You might ask how so? Answer is easy...it is historic fact that numerous cultures served the Roman Empire such as Africans and Arabs. So the Romans would have been appalled at Hitlers "racial" beliefs. The Romans would have felt Hitler was wasting good resources with his racial superiority beliefs. Wr the Romans, it was not only Julius Caesar who practiced multiculturalism btw ,


    Guy MacLean Rogers, the Macricostas chair of Hellenic and Modern Greek Studies at WestConn, said he found Chua's description of the Persian Empire -- both in its imperialism and militarism but also its tolerance of the different religions and customs of the people it conquered -- as an accurate portrayal of that empire.

    He also agreed that the Roman Empire was the first to develop a sense of citizenship that transcended regional boundaries.

    "Rome was a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic empire," Rogers said. "Anyone could be a Roman citizen. That's an incredibly important point."

    And while some historians might disagree that Rome's decline came when its emperors converted to Christianity and excluded people from the empire because of religious intolerance, Rogers said that's a point scholars have been debating for a couple of centuries.


    http://www.newstimes.com/news/articl...rise-48250.php

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Because the Romans have contributed tremendously to the world we live in today. You can find Roman statues in Europe, Africa and the ME.

    Wait a second...The Roman Empire was known for conscripting some of its former enemies. 2nd, warfare of the Roman times, and life in general during the Roman times were different, much different then today.

    Caesar was tolerant of the Jews btw.
    Yes Romans did contribute after they had brutalized a lot of tribes and societies ...so did the Persians so did British and so did every other empire that achieved longevity due to their utter ruthlessness (other than the Mongols maybe)

    Jews were not a threat in Caesars time, if they were he would have made himmler proud.He was a pathological narcissist and war criminal

    Regarding brutality in war I just don't think humans will ever completely be moral and upright in any war,as reading any account of the supposedly the good war (ww2) will tell you.

    I'm not saying ISIL was created by liberals , this trend of antiestablishment religious extremism goes back to 1st century of islam ...or as a Muslim writer once put it "the religious right is the left" that's why my biggest problem is not the ISIS but these bushy beard sporting and hijab wearing "moderate"Muslims who try to pose as liberals in the west but believe in the same holy texts and want the same sharia as ISiS ...either they are total hypocriteshypocrites or totally ignorant of their own holy books and religious laws

    Btw you should read unless already have "end of jihad state " by Khalid Blankenship a great account of how the caliphate economic model was fundamentally dependent on a state of perpetual jihad against infidels
    Last edited by nastle; 27 Jan 17, 06:54.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Those people are not your friends. And the fact of the matter is if you look at the comments section of your two extremely offensive videos above...you will see similar comments in the following video,
    '


    Lets see how you and others react to the above video...which is overwhelmingly liked compared to disliked. You guys talk alot about Muslims...well the fact is that many of the people whom agree with you and G David Bocks anti Muslim views are also anti Jews. Now sure we have free speech, and I am better then anti Jews and anti Muslims so I can handle any kind of speech, I'm not hurt by words...but if you actually agree with those anti Muslim videos you and Bock are in the same camp as those who like the video I posted in this post.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Not all german soldiers who fought in 39 to 45 were hardcore Nazis or can be considered war criminals it's just an oversimplification
    If you were a 20 yr old in 1939 and seeing your country defeated and humiliated after WW1 and threat of communism it's easy to see how so many were seduced by Nazis
    Middle eastern militancy whether in the mould of islam or old testemant is far worse it's an institution of constant apartheid , and perpetual warfare against people who are not like you.The complete opposite of pluralism that liberals defend.
    I agree with much of your views.

    Let me also say Liberals and conservatives in general are not the problem and have nothing to do with ISIL. Suggesting the left created ISIL is an insult tactic, same as when folk suggest GWB created AQ and was behind 9/11...its an insult tactic.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    And of course you can show where in the New Testament we will find an instruction like this from Jesus;

    The Muslims performing the so-called "terrorist" actions refer to what they do as Jihad, and anyone being honest about Islam would acknowledge that there are different forms of Jihad. These Islamists/Jihadists view themselves as fundamentalists of Islam and true followers Muhammad's example and command;

    "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

    From;
    Book 001, Number 0033:
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
    http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#001.0033

    One may find Numbers 0030, 0031, 0032 of related interest as well.
    ISIL says they carry out Jihad, Muslims and Christians who fight ISIL say they carry out Jihad and Holy war against ISIL.

    Jihad , Mitzvah or Crusade are not the problem.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    QUOTE:
    There is a Catch 22 here in that what was said to Muhammad by Allah can't be changed and the last of the revelations is very anti non-Muslim. The Koran is not arranged in order of revelation, but roughly longest to shortest of the chapters/Surah. Any later revelation that contradicts an earlier one is the one that was to apply, abrogation. Here's a link to the chronological order of the Koran;
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronologi...f_the_Qur%27an

    Some of the relating passages of the Koran, addressing the mandate of (physical)Jihad(Holy War) and rewards for engaging in such, etc.;

    [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
    [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
    [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
    [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
    [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
    [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
    [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
    [8.38] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
    [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
    [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
    [9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
    [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.
    [33.27] And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
    [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
    [47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
    [47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

    The comparable passages within the New Testament (Instructions of Jesus) are ???

    I suppose you'll next claim it wasn't the ideology of the Nazis that was bad/evil, just some members/followers whom interpreted and applied it wrong.
    Dont use the rolleyes against me, Im not using rude language or rude emoticons toward you.

    Jesus was the leader of the Crusades....just look at what Priests and Bishops had to say about the Crusades and their relation to Christ.

    And yes, Jews can and have declared Jewish Holy war...see the Zealots, See the Himyarite Kingdom of Yemen and see Israel. Israel praised btw Soviet Jews as they should.

    Islamic, Jewish and Christian Holy war are a part of history. There is no need to denigrate Jihad, Mitzvah or Crusade.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Look at what Julius Caesar did to Frank's And Germanic tribes ...it was genocide
    How were the Romans not barbaric ?
    Because the Romans have contributed tremendously to the world we live in today. You can find Roman statues in Europe, Africa and the ME.

    Wait a second...The Roman Empire was known for conscripting some of its former enemies. 2nd, warfare of the Roman times, and life in general during the Roman times were different, much different then today.

    Caesar was tolerant of the Jews btw.

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  • nastle
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    Not all german soldiers who fought in 39 to 45 were hardcore Nazis or can be considered war criminals it's just an oversimplification
    If you were a 20 yr old in 1939 and seeing your country defeated and humiliated after WW1 and threat of communism it's easy to see how so many were seduced by Nazis
    Middle eastern militancy whether in the mould of islam or old testemant is far worse it's an institution of constant apartheid , and perpetual warfare against people who are not like you.The complete opposite of pluralism that liberals defend.
    Last edited by nastle; 26 Jan 17, 12:47.

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  • G David Bock
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    A refresher;
    Islamic Law - WikiIslam

    Creeping Sharia | Documenting the Islamization of America

    Islamic Sharia
    Sharia Law in America - Current Status

    Articles: Top ten reasons why sharia is bad for all societies

    Islamic Laws | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org

    Sharia Law In The USA 101: A Guide To What It Is And …

    SHARIA LAW - Islamic Sharia Law Explained

    Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Sharia (Islamic Law) - Discover the Networks

    Women's Rights Under Sharia - Clarion Project

    Islam: Governing Under Sharia - Council on Foreign Relations

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    I agree of course the issue is with bad Muslims, not Islam. But G David Bock will tell you Jihad is the problem. No Jihad is a part of Islam like how Mitzvah(can mean Jewish holy war) is a part of Judaism.

    Christianity has never evolved. The NT does not include passages telling us to reform the Christian religion in the future.
    And of course you can show where in the New Testament we will find an instruction like this from Jesus;

    The Muslims performing the so-called "terrorist" actions refer to what they do as Jihad, and anyone being honest about Islam would acknowledge that there are different forms of Jihad. These Islamists/Jihadists view themselves as fundamentalists of Islam and true followers Muhammad's example and command;

    "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

    From;
    Book 001, Number 0033:
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
    http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religiou...t.php#001.0033

    One may find Numbers 0030, 0031, 0032 of related interest as well.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    I agree of course the issue is with bad Muslims, not Islam. But G David Bock will tell you Jihad is the problem. No Jihad is a part of Islam like how Mitzvah(can mean Jewish holy war) is a part of Judaism.

    Christianity has never evolved. The NT does not include passages telling us to reform the Christian religion in the future.
    QUOTE:
    There is a Catch 22 here in that what was said to Muhammad by Allah can't be changed and the last of the revelations is very anti non-Muslim. The Koran is not arranged in order of revelation, but roughly longest to shortest of the chapters/Surah. Any later revelation that contradicts an earlier one is the one that was to apply, abrogation. Here's a link to the chronological order of the Koran;
    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Chronologi...f_the_Qur%27an

    Some of the relating passages of the Koran, addressing the mandate of (physical)Jihad(Holy War) and rewards for engaging in such, etc.;

    [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
    [2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
    [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
    [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
    [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
    [5.32] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.
    [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
    [8.38] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
    [8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
    [8.60] And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
    [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
    [9.36] Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
    [33.26] And He drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.
    [33.27] And He made you heirs to their land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things.
    [47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
    [47.5] He will guide them and improve their condition.
    [47.6] And cause them to enter the garden which He has made known to them.
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html

    The comparable passages within the New Testament (Instructions of Jesus) are ???

    I suppose you'll next claim it wasn't the ideology of the Nazis that was bad/evil, just some members/followers whom interpreted and applied it wrong.

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