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  • G David Bock
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    Updating a Hadith link;
    From the Hadith, Book 1, Chapter 9;
    QUOTE:
    Book 001, Number 0031:
    It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I have been commanded to fight against people, till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the messenger (from the Lord) and in all that I have brought. And when they do it, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
    Book 001, Number 0032:
    It is narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded that I should fight against people till they declare that there is no god but Allah, and when they profess it that there is no god but Allah, their blood and riches are guaranteed protection on my behalf except where it is justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah, and then he (the Holy Prophet) recited (this verse of the Holy Qur'an):" Thou art not over them a warden" (lxxxviii, 22).
    Book 001, Number 0033:
    It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
    http://thereligionofpeace.com/quran/muslim/001-smt.htm

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  • G David Bock
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    What Do Jihadis Want? The Caliphate

    by Daniel Pipes
    Global Terrorism: Challenges and Policy Options
    2017

    EXCERPT:
    ...
    Motives for Jihadi Attacks

    Why do the motives go unexplained? Post the attacks on the United States on 11 September 2001, analysts are still speculating on the likely motives. In broad terms however, we can state that there are two general categories or motives for attacks.

    The first is to change specific policies of the state which has been targeted. As an example, this could pertain to seeking withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq and Afghanistan or to get Riyadh to expel foreign troops from its soil. It could also be aimed at pressuring governments to end support for Israel or to pressure New Delhi to cede control over Kashmir.

    The second category is more broad-based and is aimed at weakening non-Muslims in general, undermining their economy, creating fear in the minds of their populace and attempting to establish Muslim superiority. But both the categories point to something even larger. The jihadis seek to establish a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, Shari'a and the caliphate.

    We see jihad take two forms, based on the relative strength of the Muslim population in an area. Where non-Muslims rule, the attempt is to gain control over the levers of power, and to be in charge. The aim is to overthrow kafir rule. There is no direct attempt to convert, but the war is a war for territory. Where Muslims rule, the aim is to apply Shari'a in its entirety. The hope or end state is for a pious, just, ruler who can make Muslims strong and rich and who can end their divisions. The end state of both is however a global caliphate. The Caliph rules over all the peoples of the world and implements Shari'a law in its entirety.
    ...
    http://www.meforum.org/6601/what-do-...c6847-33661481

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    Do you think our resident Farsi will now call for extermination of Hamas along with ISIS/ISIL ?
    Whatever will cause the most commotion. It's how trolls work.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Bwaha View Post
    That's actually a good thing, it'll tick off the Egyptians who'll be less likely to allow smuggling into gaza. (Also result in more dead members of hamas.)

    Who knows? It might be evolution in progress, as the more militant get killed off the more intelligent peace lovers might win out...
    Do you think our resident Farsi will now call for extermination of Hamas along with ISIS/ISIL ?

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  • Bwaha
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    NEW AXIS OF EVIL Highly-trained Hamas commandos head to Egypt to team-up with terror group ISIS
    ...
    INCREASING numbers of elite Hamas commandos are leaving the Gaza Strip to join forces with ISIS in Egypt.
    Members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades and the Hamas commando wing (Nukhba) have teamed-up with the terror group.
    ...
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/282209...-to-join-isis/
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/elite-h...islamic-state/
    That's actually a good thing, it'll tick off the Egyptians who'll be less likely to allow smuggling into gaza. (Also result in more dead members of hamas.)

    Who knows? It might be evolution in progress, as the more militant get killed off the more intelligent peace lovers might win out...

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  • G David Bock
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    NEW AXIS OF EVIL Highly-trained Hamas commandos head to Egypt to team-up with terror group ISIS
    ...
    INCREASING numbers of elite Hamas commandos are leaving the Gaza Strip to join forces with ISIS in Egypt.
    Members of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades and the Hamas commando wing (Nukhba) have teamed-up with the terror group.
    ...
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/282209...-to-join-isis/
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/elite-h...islamic-state/

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Why David. You have heart....support Jihad and Crusade against ISIL as I do
    When you include ALL Islamic Jihadist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah as well, renounce the validity of Sharia Law, and abrogate the passages of Islamic scripture placing non-Muslims in non-equal standing with Muslims, we might find common ground.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    We will continue to be at opposite poles on this issue since I find nothing redeeming with Islam after it leaves it's intended regional locale of the Arab tribes of the Arabian pennisula.

    ISIS unleash lady jihadi BITING BRIGADE armed with 'metal jaws' to tear women to death

    ISIS's all lady jihadi brigade have been unleashed armed with "metal jaws" to bite other women to death for religious crimes.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...s-Black-Jihadi
    Why David. You have heart....support Jihad and Crusade against ISIL as I do

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Tell me something good about Jihad G David Bock....



    and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some ugly Muslim from Saudi Arabia.....and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some liberal who uses terms like "moderate" or "Extremist" Muslim.



    Give me the Jihad from the Ottoman Empire....the true Jihad like the true Crusade of that of Frederick II or Saint Francis of Assisi.

    I support Jihad all the way.

    And I support Crusade all the way.
    We will continue to be at opposite poles on this issue since I find nothing redeeming with Islam after it leaves it's intended regional locale of the Arab tribes of the Arabian pennisula.

    ISIS unleash lady jihadi BITING BRIGADE armed with 'metal jaws' to tear women to death

    ISIS's all lady jihadi brigade have been unleashed armed with "metal jaws" to bite other women to death for religious crimes.

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...s-Black-Jihadi

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Tell me something good about Jihad G David Bock....



    and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some ugly Muslim from Saudi Arabia.....and not the viewpoint of Jihad from some liberal who uses terms like "moderate" or "Extremist" Muslim.



    Give me the Jihad from the Ottoman Empire....the true Jihad like the true Crusade of that of Frederick II or Saint Francis of Assisi.

    I support Jihad all the way.

    And I support Crusade all the way.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
    What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
    Except when there is an accepted Caliph; which is both spiritual and religious leader of Islam, think Pope and Emporer combined, "official Islam" is a bit divided, first into Sunni and Shia factions, then others and subfactions within them. As you see by our resident defender of Muslims(Islam?), they can say a lot and wind up saying very little.

    If you were to goto the start of this thread, the first couple/few dozen posts you'll see I tried to present many of the basics about Islam and Muslims. However, being over nine years back, many of the links are no longer valid.

    Such is the case here, with regard to post #12 where a former Saudi Jurist presents a lengthy esaay on Jihad. I present a couple of the currently active links, but since there are excerpts of content already present back at posts #12 thru @20 I'll direct you there for the key points.

    Jihad in the Qur'an and Sunnah
    By SHEIKH ABDULLAH BIN MUHAMMAD BIN HUMAID
    http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Jiha...d%20Sunnah.pdf
    http://hraic.com/jihad_in_the_quran_and_sunnah.html - abridged version
    https://archive.org/stream/JihadInTh...unnah_djvu.txt

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by nastle View Post
    Lol jihad with Christians against ISIS
    What is the official stance of Muslim scholars on jihad and rebellion ?
    I find that the media outlets have negatively influenced your view on Jihad, based on how both liberal and conservative media outlets are using the word Jihad. Well thanks at least for not being like the brainwashed guys out there who insult other people for having the correct view of Jihad which is that ISIL says they carry out Jihad and all non ISIL Muslims say no what ISIL does is not Jihad. This is simply a well known fact....anti Muslims choose to ignore it and go bang on nonstop about how evil Islam is....no different then how in the 1930s so called scholars were warning us of the "dogma" of the evil Judaism. The anti Muslims of today are in the same camp as anti Jews of the 1930s...anyone of today who dares to speak kindly of Islam is labeled by anti Muslims as a "Jihadist" or "apologist" for terrorists.

    Remember that saying from WW2 ....they came for X, then they came for x, then they came for X. Many of the todays agenda driven Jews, Muslims and Christians who have sold themselves out....are critical of not only what they label as "Radical" Muslims"...but also "Radical Jews" and Radical Christians as if the three religions of Abraham can be "radical"...as if there have never been good and decent Jews, Muslims and Christians of history. Well I, along with millions of fellow medievalists will not let the legacy of the men and women of the middle ages fall into darkness.

    Yes, Crusade and Jihad are honorable. Where do you think great tales such as Robin Hood and Aladdin came from...these were from Muslims and Christians of the middle ages. I have seen liberal and conservative contributors to the various media outlets suggest ISIL is the same as the Crusaders. Can't you see what is occurring here, ugly people are attempting to destroy our ancestors history.. Im talking about our ancestors who took up Crusade are being mocked by ignorant and agenda driven so called scholars. Sure, we can all agree the middle ages was not a time of perfection, but certainly the middle ages was not a dark and dull time.

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  • G David Bock
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    Lengthy but informative and accurate article (forwarded it to my son whom works on this sort of thing with Immigration/ICE):

    Smoking Out Islamists via Extreme Vetting

    http://www.meforum.org/6505/smoking-...b3a0d-33661481

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Islam, Judaism and Christianity teach to fight for righteous reasons,

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...m=F1STR5525M2D

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  • nastle
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
    Similar to the history of Roman Polytheists...the Jews, Muslims, Christians and other monotheists are not perfect people.

    The Romans were fighters, but IMo they were not brutal toward any tribes. There is a reason for everything...what benefit would Rome have had if it actually severely discriminated against any culture? I disagree with the viewpoint that the Roman Empire were violent or discriminatory against any groups. Did Germanic tribes not try to take over Rome? How would you react to the Germanic Tribes attacking your lands if for example if you were a Roman living in the Roman Empire.


    I find that most Romans would have sided with FDR...not Hitler... had the Roman Empire or Roman Republic been around during WW2. You might ask how so? Answer is easy...it is historic fact that numerous cultures served the Roman Empire such as Africans and Arabs. So the Romans would have been appalled at Hitlers "racial" beliefs. The Romans would have felt Hitler was wasting good resources with his racial superiority beliefs. Wr the Romans, it was not only Julius Caesar who practiced multiculturalism btw ,


    Guy MacLean Rogers, the Macricostas chair of Hellenic and Modern Greek Studies at WestConn, said he found Chua's description of the Persian Empire -- both in its imperialism and militarism but also its tolerance of the different religions and customs of the people it conquered -- as an accurate portrayal of that empire.

    He also agreed that the Roman Empire was the first to develop a sense of citizenship that transcended regional boundaries.

    "Rome was a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic empire," Rogers said. "Anyone could be a Roman citizen. That's an incredibly important point."

    And while some historians might disagree that Rome's decline came when its emperors converted to Christianity and excluded people from the empire because of religious intolerance, Rogers said that's a point scholars have been debating for a couple of centuries.


    http://www.newstimes.com/news/articl...rise-48250.php
    Find your defence of barbaric Romans quite amusing
    After all imperial tyranny of ummayyads was based on Roman model so ofcourse you would like it
    Anyway you can believe what you want my friend
    Nice chatting with you

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