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    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

  • #2
    So, the USA were training Iraqi terrorists, I knew it, they support terrorism!

    Nuke 'em !!!!!!!!11111oneoneone
    "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kraut
      So, the USA were training Iraqi terrorists, I knew it, they support terrorism!

      Nuke 'em !!!!!!!!11111oneoneone
      Everyone knows we train terrorist, but are just too frightened to say we do.

      Seriously, the US is sometimes wreckless concerning who we ally ourselves with. The Clinton Administration was spending something like a billion dollars per year to finance operations against the Iraqi regime, which no matter what America says, was the recognized government of that nation. It would not surprise me at all if some of the people attacking Coalition forces were trained by the CIA.
      Last edited by Deltapooh; 09 Feb 04, 12:51.
      "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil that they set out to destroy."-Christopher Dawson - The Judgement of Nations, 1942

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      • #4
        Terrorists? Terrorists attack civiians for the sake of making a political statement. Rebels or commandos attack military targets.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Don Maddox
          Terrorists? Terrorists attack civiians for the sake of making a political statement. Rebels or commandos attack military targets.
          Rebels and commandos can attack civilians target when it is necessay. Look at the Chechen rebels for example. And the terrorists can attack military target when it is necessary : USS Cole for example.

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          • #6
            So what is the difference between a terrorist and a commando?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Don Maddox
              So what is the difference between a terrorist and a commando?
              If they are accepted by the "good" world (USA, Europe) when they are only commandos if not they are terrorists...
              a brain cell

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              • #8
                One thing that makes terrorists stand out from the rest is that in the end they always lose. Taking innocent lives in itself is not a victory if long-term goals cannot be reached. Look at the Palestinians and where their terrorist has taken them. Look at Al-Quaida. Look at the Chechens. Not a very impressive list of achievements, only tombstones.
                Last edited by MonsterZero; 09 Feb 04, 23:54.

                "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Don Maddox
                  So what is the difference between a terrorist and a commando?
                  none, the state against who these attacks are carried out will call them bandits or terrorists, the state that supports these attacks will call them freedom fighters/partisans.. whatever.

                  During the USSR/Afganistan war the US was supplying the mujahedin with weapons, they were 'freedon fighters' for them, for the USSR they were terrorists/bandits therefor the USA was finanzing terrorists.

                  Everything is retative, it simply depends upon your point ov view, whether you want to demonize or glorify.
                  "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

                  Henry Alfred Kissinger

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MonsterZero
                    One thing that makes terrorists stand out from the rest is that in the end they always lose. Taking innocent lives in itself is not a victory if long-term goals cannot be reached. Look at the Palestinians and where their terrorist has taken them.
                    Not quite, it's of course illusory to think that Israel could be pushed back into the sea, that won't happen, but the constant attacks keept the conflict on the agenda and many countries are trying to solve the dilemma. Without the palestine resistance Israel would have simply forced the palestinians into tiny ghettos and the world would have forgottem them. Without international pressure and the constant attacks Israel wouldnt even think about creating a palestinian state.
                    "The conventional army loses if it does not win. The guerrilla wins if he does not lose."

                    Henry Alfred Kissinger

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Don Maddox
                      So what is the difference between a terrorist and a commando?
                      Maybe the same difference between a pirate and a privateer ?

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                      • #12
                        Attacking occupying soldiers and police is one thing. Blowing up/gunning down civilians in another place (Moscow or London) who have no direct interest in the issue (Chechnya or Northern Ireland) is another.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kraut
                          Not quite, it's of course illusory to think that Israel could be pushed back into the sea, that won't happen, but the constant attacks keept the conflict on the agenda and many countries are trying to solve the dilemma. Without the palestine resistance Israel would have simply forced the palestinians into tiny ghettos and the world would have forgottem them. Without international pressure and the constant attacks Israel wouldnt even think about creating a palestinian state.

                          Good point in this case. There is no doubt the Palestinians would have been assimilated or otherwise absorbed.

                          "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Don Maddox
                            Terrorists? Terrorists attack civiians for the sake of making a political statement. Rebels or commandos attack military targets.
                            Alot of times those commandos become terrorists. Factions within the Mujahdeen eventually emerged as members of Al-Qaeda. We can't assume every freedom figter is a George Washington or Charles de Gaulle. Alot of times, the people who are willing to resist their own government are at least as corrupted as those they are fighting. Before giving out money, weapons, and training to individuals, we should take a closer look at how this will effect long term policy. We do this today more often, but it is still not often enough.

                            I think America helped Al-Qaeda learn the West's economic system. Money laundering and other white collar crimes are difficult to detect and prosecute partly because those involved have alot of experience with the system. Money laundering, extortion, fake charities, etc are things the CIA would use to obscure money being funneled to groups like the Mujahdeen. I believe we showed them how to set up these kinds of operations, which are now being used against us. Anyone can make a bomb or learn how to conduct an ambush on with little instructions. The kind of sophisication we see today can't be obtained through simple observation or reading. You need to feel comfortable and confident within that system to be successful.

                            I view this kind of aide as more dangerous than bombs. Money is more powerful than a homemade bomb. Without it, Al-Qaeda could not survive. Our assistance in enhancing their operations might not be significant, but I still feel we showed them more than we should have.
                            Last edited by Deltapooh; 10 Feb 04, 06:32.
                            "As soon as men decide that all means are permitted to fight an evil, then their good becomes indistinguishable from the evil that they set out to destroy."-Christopher Dawson - The Judgement of Nations, 1942

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MonsterZero
                              One thing that makes terrorists stand out from the rest is that in the end they always lose. Taking innocent lives in itself is not a victory if long-term goals cannot be reached. Look at the Palestinians and where their terrorist has taken them. Look at Al-Quaida. Look at the Chechens. Not a very impressive list of achievements, only tombstones.

                              tell me some terrorists that are beaten then ?

                              The IRA ?
                              The PLO?
                              The Shining Path ?
                              The UVF?
                              Al Qaeda?

                              Hhmmmm....not many I can think of that have been beaten...several disbanded or phased out, but not beaten, like say Mike Tyson was beaten by Lennox Lewis

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