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  • #61
    Originally posted by Daemon of Decay View Post
    You know, if every American had access to heavy artillery, we'd have a much safer nation. Or maybe just a more fun one.
    Yes Yes. That is the spirit. Just about every Minuteman with the financial means had a cannon in the barn or stable when that tyrannical government decided to come to Concord and we showed them we no longer wanted to be "subjects".
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    • #62
      Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
      That is a toughy. Yes Maybe

      Maybe that liked being slashed and murdered.

      But then again perhaps that it is a ridiculous question.

      But I would be interested in knowing if the question was sincere. In other words, if it could be empirically shown that less people would be killed with greater restrictions on firearms, would your position change at all?
      It is not a ridiculous question! It's an absolute possibility that YOU or ME may be the victim of an attack, it happens everyday.
      So you tell yourself, how would you react? Do you have a plan? How will you protect yourself or a loved one?
      This is not a fantasy. You get one life, it's your responsibility to protect yourself and those you love.
      How you do that is your business. It is also my business how I protect mine.
      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
        It is not a ridiculous question! It's an absolute possibility that YOU or ME may be the victim of an attack, it happens everyday.
        So you tell yourself, how would you react? Do you have a plan? How will you protect yourself or a loved one?
        This is not a fantasy. You get one life, it's your responsibility to protect yourself and those you love.
        How you do that is your business. It is also my business how I protect mine.
        But my question was

        if it could be empirically shown that less people would be killed with greater restrictions on firearms, would your position change at all?
        And you chose not to answer the question the directly. But I think it is clear your answer would be "no" even though it was limited to a context where there was empirical evidence and it was about greater restriction and not a ban.

        Thus the charge by some that for many "gun nuts' their position is primarily one of reactionary fear and guns are a safety blanket. It is a not a case of whether you and your family are actually safer with one policy versus another policy.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by lynelhutz View Post
          But my question was



          And you chose not to answer the question the directly. But I think it is clear your answer would be "no" even though it was limited to a context where there was empirical evidence and it was about greater restriction and not a ban.

          Thus the charge by some that for many "gun nuts' their position is primarily one of reactionary fear and guns are a safety blanket. It is a not a case of whether you and your family are actually safer with one policy versus another policy.
          You're one to talk about reactionary fear based on dubious information. That's the core of the gun control argument after all. Something bad happens and now we have to ban all the evil guns. Fearful, reactionary, ignorant and illegal.
          "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
            Which stats you referring to?
            Just do a bit of poking about. An automatic or two can see off clustered folks a lot quicker than any knife. Automatics in particular are designed to kill folks, apart from practice they have just one design purpose, to off folks as quickly as possible. Certain knives should also be banned for a similar reason - design, and purpose.

            I have knives in my house that can kill, but they were designed, and used for culnary purposes.

            I don't expect any 'self respecting' redneck to agree though. Unfortunately folks don't all pee into the same bucket, that is why there are fights and wars and misunderstandings.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
              Just do a bit of poking about. An automatic or two can see off clustered folks a lot quicker than any knife. Automatics in particular are designed to kill folks, apart from practice they have just one design purpose, to off folks as quickly as possible. Certain knives should also be banned for a similar reason - design, and purpose.

              I have knives in my house that can kill, but they were designed, and used for culnary purposes.

              I don't expect any 'self respecting' redneck to agree though. Unfortunately folks don't all pee into the same bucket, that is why there are fights and wars and misunderstandings.
              I'm not a redneck, (I don't believe you understand what that term means) but I asked which stats you are referring to.

              Apparently you were just bluffing when you said to 'check the stats', since you have produced no stats.

              I would like to see the material establishing that automatic weapons are solely intended 'off folks', say a manufacturer's design description. I don't believe you are telling the truth in that regard, either.
              Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Wooden Wonder View Post
                Just do a bit of poking about. An automatic or two can see off clustered folks a lot quicker than any knife. Automatics in particular are designed to kill folks, apart from practice they have just one design purpose, to off folks as quickly as possible. Certain knives should also be banned for a similar reason - design, and purpose.

                I have knives in my house that can kill, but they were designed, and used for culnary purposes.

                I don't expect any 'self respecting' redneck to agree though. Unfortunately folks don't all pee into the same bucket, that is why there are fights and wars and misunderstandings.
                Ah I see you're one of those. Ban everything you don't like or don't agree with. To hell with other people's civil rights as long as you're happy. They should just trust that the nanny government will protect them from all the big bad people with guns and knives.

                Lucky for us it.doesn't work that way. You can continue living a carefully managed and disarmed life on your island to your heart's content. Thankfully those of us who aren't willibg to five up our natural rights so easily have those rights protected by our constitution. You don't have to like it, agree with it or understand it but it is absolute law and you do have to accept the fact that it's not changing.
                "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                  I'm not a redneck, (I don't believe you understand what that term means) but I asked which stats you are referring to.

                  Apparently you were just bluffing when you said to 'check the stats', since you have produced no stats.

                  I would like to see the material establishing that automatic weapons are solely intended 'off folks', say a manufacturer's design description. I don't believe you are telling the truth in that regard, either.
                  That falls within the definition of Redneck.

                  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redneck
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                    Ah I see you're one of those. Ban everything you don't like or don't agree with. To hell with other people's civil rights as long as you're happy. They should just trust that the nanny government will protect them from all the big bad people with guns and knives.

                    Lucky for us it.doesn't work that way. You can continue living a carefully managed and disarmed life on your island to your heart's content. Thankfully those of us who aren't willibg to five up our natural rights so easily have those rights protected by our constitution. You don't have to like it, agree with it or understand it but it is absolute law and you do have to accept the fact that it's not changing.
                    You cannot talk to a serf about freedom. Its a tossup whether the 'slightly damp corpse of the British empire' becomes an EU province or a muslim colony.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      You cannot talk to a serf about freedom. Its a tossup whether the 'slightly damp corpse of the British empire' becomes an EU province or a muslim colony.
                      I wouldn't say serf. Serfs at least knew their lot in life sucked. They didn't think that their masters had the best interests of the people in mind and were doing it all for their own good. That's what makes socialism and the nanny state so insidious. After all they government is just trying to help and make the world safe for the children. who in their right mind would complain about that?
                      "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                        I wouldn't say serf. Serfs at least knew their lot in life sucked. They didn't think that their masters had the best interests of the people in mind and were doing it all for their own good. That's what makes socialism and the nanny state so insidious. After all they government is just trying to help and make the world safe for the children. who in their right mind would complain about that?
                        Anyone with a spine.

                        But you're right, 'serf' may not be the right term.
                        Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                          Anyone with a spine.

                          But you're right, 'serf' may not be the right term.
                          Lenin had a word for it. Useful idiots.
                          "Artillery lends dignity to what might otherwise be a vulgar brawl." - Frederick the Great

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                            Lenin had a word for it. Useful idiots.
                            I like that. It works.
                            Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by frisco17 View Post
                              You're one to talk about reactionary fear based on dubious information. That's the core of the gun control argument after all. Something bad happens and now we have to ban all the evil guns. Fearful, reactionary, ignorant and illegal.
                              I never said "ban all the evil guns". Not only that, but I went out of my way to expressly point that out. And as far as I am aware, it has never been proposed as a serious policy proposal by anyone except perhaps the lunatic fringe.

                              So is it just a case of dragging out the tired old straw man and countering an argument that was never made, or actual ideological delusion?

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                              • #75
                                I sometimes have to wonder how many of
                                the lunatic fringe.
                                we have posting here
                                "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                                Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                                you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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