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  • A new gas war

    https://www.rt.com/business/420313-g...-gas-contract/
    http://tass.com/economy/992541
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKCN1GE2DW

    Russian Gazprom terminates contracts with Ukraine. In view of unusually cold weather Ukraine suspends classes in schools and universities. Unlike earlier "gas wars" transit of gas through Ukraine continues unabated.

  • #2
    I don't blame Putin for refusing to pay gas transit fees to Ukraine while Ukraine is pouring hogwash over Russia. It's Russian gas and Russian money. If Putin opens a new pipeline that bypasses Ukraine then it's a sound decision from the Russian standpoint.

    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
      I don't blame Putin for refusing to pay gas transit fees to Ukraine while Ukraine is pouring hogwash over Russia. It's Russian gas and Russian money. If Putin opens a new pipeline that bypasses Ukraine then it's a sound decision from the Russian standpoint.
      It is, but freezing people out in the winter is not. Gas pipelines are very susceptible to sabotage.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        It is, but freezing people out in the winter is not. Gas pipelines are very susceptible to sabotage.
        They would cut off their own supply.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Konzev View Post

          They would cut off their own supply.
          If Russia is already cutting it off, why would that matter? It wouldn't, but it would likely encourage radical elements to take revenge.
          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            If Russia is already cutting it off, why would that matter? It wouldn't, but it would likely encourage radical elements to take revenge.
            And what would they do than, get the gas from the USA ? can they afford it ?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Konzev View Post

              And what would they do than, get the gas from the USA ? can they afford it ?
              No idea. Where does the EURO get it? Where does Britain get it? How about they offer America basing rights and get it for a reduced price in return? How about a deal with Germany to ship some of it back to the Ukraine? Lots of solutions.

              Point is, if Russia cuts off their supply, it doesn't matter because they haven't got it anyway, so destroying the pipeline would make no difference but would definitely send a signal to Moscow.

              Sun Tzu said that if one really wants to find out how hard someone can fight to the very death, give them no way out. Bottom line is that Russia wants the Ukraine/Crimea and will use any method to make that happen, regardless of how many innocent people suffer as a result. Remember the Ossetian business?

              Personally, I think the Ukraine should give Putin Chernobyl for his very own. He could build a military base...there is already a city right there, empty, waiting to be used.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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