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    One of the last statues of Joesph Vissaryonovich Stalin, "the Father, Teacher, Great Leader of the Soviet People, Heir to the Cause of Lenin, Creator of the Stalin Constitution, Transformer of Nature, Great Helmsman, Great Strategist of the Revolution, Genius of Mankind and Greatest Genius of all time and peoples" (Braithwaite), has been torn down in his hometown in Georgia.

    The dismantling was carried out in great secrecy, by surprise.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100625/...georgia_stalin

    Last edited by MonsterZero; 26 Jun 10, 00:32.

    "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
    --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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    up till now, the West has only demonsrated its abilities to destroy other's values instead of build smth worthy.

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    • #3
      I'm divided on the issue really. I detest the Communist regime and what it did, but yet I do believe in preserving history, even unpleasant eras. Stalin was a native of the city after all. Oh well.
      "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on one's laurels, is defeat."
      --Marshal Józef Piłsudski

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      • #4
        Why now?

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        • #5
          Always the sure the sign of a strongly democratic and popular government when they carry things out in the middle of the night without discussion....

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          • #6
            seem like Mad Miho is up to his usual tricks... Firstly the residents was not asked before the statue was removed and it was done in the middle of the night. He still believes that the Russians invaded him... all you need to do is to read his statements from the first "victory speeches" when the Georgian armed forces seemed to have some success and then the later "aggression" when thins went not so well...


            "I support the decision of the municipality and the Culture Ministry completely, as a museum of occupation and monuments to those who orchestrated that occupation cannot exist in this country at the same time,
            Here is a different translation, if it isn´t separate comments

            “The country can’t have both museums of occupation and monuments to those, on whose initiative the occupying country launched the invasion.”
            A other quote, if only he could live up to his words:
            “History should be dealt with in a civilized way, without hysterics or vandalism.
            Last edited by Erkki; 26 Jun 10, 03:15.
            “For there is nothing more serious than a lunatic when he comes to the central point of his lunacy.”

            Max Sterner

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            • #7
              No need for this. I'm not by any measure a fan of Stalin but his statue serves as a reminder of a important chapter in history.
              Like it happened with the WWII memorial, the Georgian government is showing its "independent" status in all the wrong ways.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stalin View Post
                up till now, the West has only demonsrated its abilities to destroy other's values instead of build smth worthy.
                Not nearly as effectively as Russia, however. You know, subversion, revolution, & gulags?
                "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made."
                — Groucho Marx

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                • #9
                  "the Father, Teacher, Great Leader of the Soviet People, Heir to the Cause of Lenin, Creator of the Stalin Constitution, Transformer of Nature, Great Helmsman, Great Strategist of the Revolution, Genius of Mankind and Greatest Genius of all time and peoples"
                  I say the statue should have stayed, but that crap burned out and a more fitting description put in it's place:

                  "Mass murdering POS, who's only contribution to humanity was his death, just like his predassessor Lenin. May they burn in the Hell they didn't belive in."

                  I think it's a bit more appropriate.
                  How many Allied tanks it would take to destroy a Maus?
                  275. Because that's how many shells there are in the Maus. Then it could probably crush some more until it ran out of gas. - Surfinbird

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by stalin View Post
                    up till now, the West has only demonsrated its abilities to destroy other's values instead of build smth worthy.
                    Joesph Vissaryonovich, Georgia isn't West.
                    Dixi.

                    Beware of Occam's razor !!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Catman View Post
                      You know, subversion, revolution, & gulags?
                      - all of this was followed with the creation of the best state ever, namely the USSR.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by skoblin View Post
                        Always the sure the sign of a strongly democratic and popular government when they carry things out in the middle of the night without discussion....
                        Well, when Mayor Daley bulldozed the iconic Meigs airfield in Chicago this was also carried out by surprise in the middle of the night, to avoid confrontations with opponents of the plan who might have showed up at the project causing problems. Without a doubt Daley's government is democratically elected and reasonably popular, at least in comparison to other major cities.

                        "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                        --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RS116 View Post
                          Georgia isn't West
                          i meant they did this after being nudged by the West

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by stalin View Post
                            up till now, the West has only demonsrated its abilities to destroy other's values instead of build smth worthy.
                            Even if you are talking about colonialism (the most criticized aspect of the history of Western powers) then you are only 50% correct because the colonial subjects were getting benefits of the relationship with the colonial power. The relationship with the colonial power created an export market where the local poor people could send their products to London or Paris so they could have income and jobs, for some for the first time in their lives. Billions of British pounds or French francs were invested into the colonial infrastructure such as schools, roads, bridges, water mains, sanitation, in countries that previously had not seen a penny in foreign investment. The new infrastructure was serving the local population. Colonialism represented political repression, but was very lucrative to millions of the colonial subjects. It had pros and cons, good and evil.
                            Last edited by MonsterZero; 26 Jun 10, 09:53.

                            "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                            --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by stalin View Post
                              i meant they did this after being nudged by the West
                              I doubt it because in the West the attitude towards Stalin is mostly morbid curiosity but not necessarily hostility. There is a lot of interest in Stalin and Soviet Russia in America as evidenced by the number of documentary films on TV and the number of books in print.

                              People have many problems right now, mostly due to the recession, and couldn't care less about a statue of Stalin somewhere in Gori.

                              Now if Georgia was within the Polish sphere of influence or the Hungarian sphere of influence then I can imagine Polish/Hungarian politicos applying pressure to have the statue removed.
                              Last edited by MonsterZero; 26 Jun 10, 10:02.

                              "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                              --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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