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  • Gentlemen, please cease the ad hominem attacks - now would be a good time.
    Any metaphor will tear if stretched over too much reality.

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    • Originally posted by ShAA View Post
      Uhm, have you ever heard of comparisons?

      Okay, I'll lay it in clearer terms. You're saying outrageously absurd things about Russia and then get surprised someone's taking a ****. Kind of like you didn't see it coming.
      Outrageous? From another thread.

      Originally posted by ShAA
      The only part you've missed there is that Yeltsin was exactly the same apparatchik as those whom he opposed. He was just a bit smarter.

      Gorbachev does get his marks, of course, for wrecking your biggest rival. He is a hero for you exactly for the same reason Benedict Arnold is liked by the Brits
      At leat it is opined that there is a Russian I like. I call that progress, my friend.
      "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
      George Mason
      Co-author of the Second Amendment
      during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

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      • Jumping late into the fray here.

        I visited Russia first time in 1998, on a work trip to install a mooring system to export gas hydrates by a dedicated tanker with ice breaking capability from a developping oil field (Molykpak) offshore Sakhaline Island.

        A few days in Moscow before flying east to Sakhaline gave me a cultural shock, moscow was not the drab and dirty city I expected to see based on all the news clips/movies.

        The cultural shock was even greater on Sakhaline Island, to discover than most of the Oil drilling/production personnel I met who could have been qualitywise at home on any platform in the Gulf of mexico or in the North sea, were Russian nationals although most looked like Canadians to me until they started speaking!

        I was even more impressed by the women strolling the street of Youzno, they were all good looking, with unexpensif but nice clothing.

        kelt

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        • Originally posted by kelt06 View Post
          Jumping late into the fray here.

          I visited Russia first time in 1998, on a work trip to install a mooring system to export gas hydrates by a dedicated tanker with ice breaking capability from a developping oil field (Molykpak) offshore Sakhaline Island.

          A few days in Moscow before flying east to Sakhaline gave me a cultural shock, moscow was not the drab and dirty city I expected to see based on all the news clips/movies.

          The cultural shock was even greater on Sakhaline Island, to discover than most of the Oil drilling/production personnel I met who could have been qualitywise at home on any platform in the Gulf of mexico or in the North sea, were Russian nationals although most looked like Canadians to me until they started speaking!

          I was even more impressed by the women strolling the street of Youzno, they were all good looking, with unexpensif but nice clothing.

          kelt
          No wonder you live in Nice. Nice.
          Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
          (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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          • Originally posted by General Staff View Post
            No wonder you live in Nice
            and it is a wonder you live in Dublin instead of London...

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            • Guys. I thought this was supposed to a light-hearted thread?

              The Russian people have such a long and incredible history. And they have immense pride. Whether or not the western perception of Russia seem reasonable or not to our Russian members here, it is after all a perception.........that is what the thread is all about. Both sides should explain, dispute, and debate. Leave the insults and emotions. Hell, the last time I was here, I was trying to get advice of Russian food!
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              • Originally posted by stalin View Post
                and it is a wonder you live in Dublin instead of London...
                And LoL yourself too- Moscow instead of Kolyma. You must have powerful friends in high places.

                I did live in London for a number of years, but couldn't stand the place. France and Ireland work for me these days, along with excursions to various places like Poland, Finland and heaven forbid, even Russia. I've started using facebook and will add to the album: http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php...00000563140283
                Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
                (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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                • Originally posted by The Ibis View Post
                  See, there is a line in Caddyshack for everything.
                  Yes, I know.

                  It's when you raise your golf club in the air and wave it about during 'Sturm und Blitz'. If you can survive that, you'll live through anything.
                  Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
                  (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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                  • for some reason the link won't open for me...

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                    • True Story...

                      Almost 30 years ago I was deep into my career as an Industrial Chemist working for (the then) pre-eminent Chemists in their field. As part of my expansive training I was partnered for a time with a chap called Bill Huke, who I found out very recently is now deceased. His job and expertise was in ore and metal sampling, and the world (in terms of ports) was literally his oyster.

                      On one of our many travels around the UK we got chatting about the various places he had visited, and one of his most recent was Leningrad (as it was then). This in general terms was his story...

                      He travelled to Leningrad by plane and booked into a relatively cheap hotel the same day. As he was on expenses and as these were carefully watched by our company, his quality of stay was fairly average as it always was. He had however been to the city many times, new many of the people and places and got on quite well with the majority of Russian people he met.

                      However...

                      On one particular day the State Security services layed their heavy hands on him.

                      Bill had checked in and stayed the night at his hotel, and then got an early start the next morning. He booked into the port area were he was to work, got his pass and directions to the ship, and was then politely escorted there to start work. Some time later he felt the call of nature and as his 'minder' had gone for a smoke, Bill sussed out the nearest toilets and off he went. He was just releaving himself in a urinal when the door burst open and he was quickly frog-marched to the main office.

                      A barrage of questions followed by the local port security guys, followed later by more from what he later learned were official state security officers. After a few hours and many checks later, they let him go to get on with his job. That night at the hotel over dinner, the staff (who may well have been state security themselves) were shocked at his naivity in wandering around the port. He learnt his lesson.

                      Next day, the same blank faces and stares as normal. Bill however stuck to his minder like glue. No more problems after that.


                      On telling me the story he was laughing and then added the following moral lesson, paraphrasing a popular British saying...

                      Taking the... sorry, A **** can be very dangerous!

                      As to the main theme of the thread, I've never visited Russia or any part of the old USSR, so my opinions are largely based on second hand knowledge.

                      However (2) ...

                      For a most astute and apt reading of the relationship between West and East, and how each very often observe and judge the other, can I advert you to the following and advise you if at all possible to watch it in full!

                      An Englishman Abroad.





                      Gaz

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                      • That works for me, from the sands of southern Morocco to the snows of the north of Finland.

                        Lordy, the places I've been and seen...
                        Tactics are based on Weapons... Strategy on Movement... and Movement on Supply.
                        (J. F. C. Fuller 1878-1966)

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                        • Just found this article in a rather random place:

                          http://www.snuscentral.org/snusnus/a...ml#comment-900

                          Randomness/Hugeness of Russia:

                          Walking down the street, I can be stopped by a cop for an ID check. As a Russian-speaking American, I usually get off with good conversation and a smile. If you have darker skin, you will be scrutinized, regardless of legal status, unless you are a tourist with required documentation. And then you’ll still be scrutinized. My best sales manager in Russia is Nigerian. He’s lived here 25 years, is married to a Russian woman with a daughter in medical school. He is a naturalized resident, and still gets treated like a second-class citizen.

                          There is a certain wildness to this country. Its massive size and diversity tend to be diametrically opposed to the concept of centralized rule of law. With improved communication, Vladimir Putin has managed to reign in rogue territories and fire/replace ambitious local governors with his own loyal subjects (“Federal Administrative Regional Governors”)

                          The wildness remains though and the people feel, in a way, a lot like Americans. The frontier to the east was conquered from Europe to the Pacific (one the Russians had conquered the Tatar invaders), and the local peoples were integrated forcefully into society, and live happily in their own independent and increasingly powerful mini-republics. However, here, restless republics are bombed to dust (Chechnya) while cooperative ones prosper (Tatarstan, Bashkortostan) or stagnate (Chuvashia, Mari-El).

                          I flew ten hours from St. Petersburg in Europe to Khabarovsk (near the Sea of Okhotsk in Eastern Asia) last night. Talk about ‘sea to shining sea,’ Russia has it too, with lots more frequent flier miles.
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                          • I think they are good people.

                            However, I am tainted by my business (oil & gas) outlook. I will not do business in Russia or any of the former Soviet Union (FSU) republics. It is the only region in the world where I restrict myself from entry. My main reason is that business relationships there are unnecessarily complex (unless dealing with a US or Western Europe oil company) when partnering with Russians or other FSU citizens. One does not always know who the true business leaders are, and there is often a criminal element behind a lot of service contracting done there. The government also changes the name of the game willy-nilly, so one week you can be a business darling and the next week be a criminal and fugitive on the run.

                            The women. With regards to the oil companies, when Russia and FSU countries opened up to outside capital it was a feeding frenzy for US and Western Europe oil companies and oilfield service companies. Lots of money pouring in. This means lots of gold-digging women and some great orgies. There is no denying this. Many an oilfield worker and manager succumbed to these beauties. The divorces from their wives back home resulted in them losing half their money. Then when they brought their Russian (or FSU) brides home, those brides took the other half after meeting residency requirements and filing for divorce. Investigations showed that the girls already in the US were advising girls back in the home countries on where to shop for a Gringo to nab as a husband. In addition, the girls already in the US had been engaging in asset searches for the girls back home to help them nab a wealthy oilfield manager. The Best-of-the-Best are the Russian women in Kazakhstan. A regular feminine mafia. Yes, there is plenty of truth to the rumors.

                            Nevertheless, if you want to visit a place with one of the greatest cultures in the world for music, art, theater, etc., Russia is the place to go. It is a paradise for the historian. They are the main reason Nazi Germany was defeated.

                            Saludos,

                            Alatriste

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                            • Originally posted by Alatriste View Post
                              The women. With regards to the oil companies, when Russia and FSU countries opened up to outside capital it was a feeding frenzy for US and Western Europe oil companies and oilfield service companies. Lots of money pouring in. This means lots of gold-digging women and some great orgies. There is no denying this. Many an oilfield worker and manager succumbed to these beauties. The divorces from their wives back home resulted in them losing half their money. Then when they brought their Russian (or FSU) brides home, those brides took the other half after meeting residency requirements and filing for divorce. Investigations showed that the girls already in the US were advising girls back in the home countries on where to shop for a Gringo to nab as a husband. In addition, the girls already in the US had been engaging in asset searches for the girls back home to help them nab a wealthy oilfield manager. The Best-of-the-Best are the Russian women in Kazakhstan. A regular feminine mafia. Yes, there is plenty of truth to the rumors.
                              I certainly hope you aren't saying all Russian women are like this. In fact since the rise of the Russian economy the number of Russian women looking for foreign marriage has decreased dramatically. Russia isn't Ukraine or Moldova, the days where a blue passport will get you women in Russia are long over.
                              Кто там?
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                              • Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
                                I certainly hope you aren't saying all Russian women are like this...the days where a blue passport will get you women in Russia are long over.
                                Notice in my post I said...
                                The women. With regards to the oil companies...
                                However, I don't believe those days are over, but if they are, a lot of people in the oil business will be happy! Personally, if I was single and young I would be over there taking advantage of the situation. I mean these are great-looking women, but no way I would propose marriage. I'd rather take the James Bond approach

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