Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Dictator

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • The Dictator

    Russia is acting true to form:

    1.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp
    The Russian parliament approved a sweeping constitutional reform in the third and final reading Wednesday, a move that will allow President Vladimir Putin to stay in power for another 12 years after his current term ends in 2024.

    2.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

    Supporters celebrated and critics called for protests on Wednesday as the prospect sunk in of Russian President Vladimir Putin staying in power until 2036.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    That does not mean that Putin is a dictator .

    Comment


    • #3
      What is he then? Where are any governmental checks and balances on his actions?
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        What is he then? Where are any governmental checks and balances on his actions?
        There are no such things as governmental checks and balances in Russia : RUSSIA IS NOT THE USA .
        Putin is an authoritarian leader, but no dictator,he is supported by the majority of the Russian people who prefers an authoritarian leader to a politician from the West .
        In 2018 Putin got 76,7 % of the votes in the presidential elections; other candidates got 23,3 % .
        A dictator would not allow other candidates to participate in the presidential elections, neither would he tolerate the existence of other political parties .
        Last year there was an anti Putin rally of 50000 persons .
        Under Stalin,who was a dictator, such things would not exist .

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by ljadw View Post

          There are no such things as governmental checks and balances in Russia : RUSSIA IS NOT THE USA .
          Putin is an authoritarian leader, but no dictator,he is supported by the majority of the Russian people who prefers an authoritarian leader to a politician from the West .
          In 2018 Putin got 76,7 % of the votes in the presidential elections; other candidates got 23,3 % .
          A dictator would not allow other candidates to participate in the presidential elections, neither would he tolerate the existence of other political parties .
          Last year there was an anti Putin rally of 50000 persons .
          Under Stalin,who was a dictator, such things would not exist .
          Of course there are no checks and balances. Putin wouldn't allow it. He is not only a dictator, but a murderous dictator.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post

            Of course there are no checks and balances. Putin wouldn't allow it. He is not only a dictator, but a murderous dictator.
            Proof for your claims that Putin is
            a A dictator ?
            b A murderous dictator ?
            As you will not be able to proof your claims, we can discard them and throw them under the Greyhound bus
            .

            Comment


            • #7
              Do you not think it is interesting that those who publicly oppose Putin have a very bad habit of dying violently, whether in Russia or not?

              This is an interesting article: Do we now have Tsar Vlad I?

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-new-emperor-russia-girds-for-16-more-years-of-putin/ar-BB113TBU?ocid=spartandhp
              One of Russia’s most influential business magnates on Wednesday said the country has become a “quasi-monarchy” — a sign of how President Vladimir V. Putin’s move this week to clear the way to rule until 2036 has changed the landscape of Russian politics.
              Not that the magnate, Konstantin Malofeev, was complaining.

              A nationalist financier with Kremlin connections and his own TV channel, Mr. Malofeev has spent decades agitating for a restoration of royal rule. In an interview with The New York Times, he said that after this week’s flurry of events, he had never been closer to his goal.

              “The quasi-monarchy that we basically now have is a very good thing,” Mr. Malofeev said at his ornate office on Moscow’s Garden Ring. Referring to Mr. Putin, he went on: “If we were now to start calling him emperor, not president, then we wouldn’t have to change much in the Constitution.”
              In a tightly choreographed bit of political theater this week, the 67-year-old Mr. Putin gave himself the option of
              ruling for two additional six-year terms
              when his current tenure expires in 2024. Now comes the harder part for the Kremlin: persuading Russians to accept their new czar.

              Daria Rtishcheva, a 24-year-old working in the clothing manufacturing business in Moscow, noted that she would be 40 years old in 2036.

              “And Putin will still be there,” she said in an interview outside a fashionable Moscow department store. “It drives me a bit crazy.”

              On Wednesday, Russia’s upper house of Parliament approved a constitutional amendment that was introduced the day before in the lower house and then endorsed by Mr. Putin. The amendment would reset the clock on the Constitution’s limit of two presidential terms for Mr. Putin if he runs again in 2024.

              The Kremlin’s powerful propaganda machine swung into action. The possibility that Mr. Putin could rule for 16 more years, the refrain went, was what Russians needed to keep them safe.

              While Mr. Putin had been widely expected to look for a way to hold on to power, some Russians were looking ahead to 2024 as a possible moment of political renewal.

              The message in the pro-Kremlin news media Wednesday was that Mr. Putin had chosen a democratic path to preserving stability in Russia by keeping himself in power.

              Mr. Putin emphasized that the amendment allowing him to run again would need to be approved by the Constitutional Court and by a nationwide vote. The April 22 plebiscite had already been scheduled as a vote on other, less consequential constitutional amendments that Mr. Putin introduced earlier this year.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • #8

                Definition of dictator

                1a : a person granted absolute emergency power especially, history : one appointed by the senate (see senate sense 1a) of ancient Rome
                b : one holding complete autocratic control : a person with unlimited governmental power
                c : one ruling in an absolute (see absolute sense 2) and often oppressive way

                Putin certainly fits b and c above. Therefore, Putin is a dictator.



                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Putin does not fit b and c :he has no unlimited governmental power, he does not rule in an absolute way .
                  And ruling in an often oppressive way is not proving that one is a dictator.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    That is as nave a statement as I have ever seen on this forum. Incredible.
                    We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ljadw View Post
                      Putin does not fit b and c :he has no unlimited governmental power, he does not rule in an absolute way .
                      And ruling in an often oppressive way is not proving that one is a dictator.
                      Interesting.

                      Is it the actual word "Dictator" that's the problem ? Really, if it waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then the chances are that it's a.....!


                      That said, I understand that, given a man,or men,
                      of good will in charge,any political system can be made to work, no matter how despotic it might appear. Certainly, in any event, Russia has only ever had spasmodic experience of enlightened, democratic government . But is Mr Putin really such a man ?
                      "I dogmatise and am contradicted, and in this conflict of opinions and sentiments I find delight".
                      Samuel Johnson.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I wouldn’t call him a dictator but he’s definitely a corrupt narcissistic megalomaniac strongman which is just as bad

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          He is not corrupt in the sense that he is bribed by big business .
                          Narcissistic ? All world leaders are narcissistic, that goes with the job .
                          Megalomaniac ? He is very realistic ( much more than most western leaders ) and knows how far he can go : there was a general outcry in Russia when he proposed to increase the retirement age .He knows also that he can't afford to let the police shoot on manifestations.
                          He is very cautious in his foreign policy ( Ukraine, ME ) because he knows very well that his survival depends on the approval, cooperation of the public ,and that for the public,in last resort,it is the economy that is deciding .
                          He has no scruples, as all Russian politicians .
                          He is in any case less corrupt, less narcissistic, less megalomaniac than a lot of politicians with whom the West did business and about whom the liberals remained silent : people as Mobutu.
                          Besides : if he is corrupt, narcissistic, megalomaniac,that's not our business, but the business of the Russians. Only the Russians .
                          Wilson and Roosevelt were also narcissistic and megalomaniac,so was De Gaulle, and that did not prevent anyone of doing business with the USA and France .
                          Putin ( and even Stalin ) is less dangerous than was Nikita Kroetsjov

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            That is as nave a statement as I have ever seen on this forum. Incredible.
                            23 % of the Russians voted against Putin in 2018, that means he has to taken into account their opinions, their objections ,and that he has no unlimited power.Thus that he is no dictator .

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                              Comment

                              Latest Topics

                              Collapse

                              Working...
                              X