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  • #16
    Originally posted by MarkV View Post
    Cobblers It matters not a wit where Chernobyl is now - when the accident happened it was the Kremlin that was ultimately responsible.
    I guess, the management of the station was a little responsible as well, wasn't it? Anyway, it would probably surprise you but the present Russian government has no lineage to the "Kremlin" of 1986. Legally the Russian Federation is a successor of the Soviet Union only in international treaties and membership in international organizations. Otherwise it is one of the splinters of the SU, not different from Ukraine or other republics.
    Last edited by Artyom_A; 12 Aug 19, 15:00.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      That accident isn't radioactive.
      Everything in the world is radioactive, the question is the magnitude. The magnitude is measured by some boring technical gadgets which display some boring numbers as roentgens. In this case those gadgets said that in the nearest city radioactivity exceeded normal level but still wasn't significantly dangerous in a medical sense. What in the explanation above is too difficult to understand?

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      • #18
        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/w...radiation.html

        In a statement released at 1 a.m. Saturday, Russia’s nuclear energy company, Rosatom, said five employees had died, in addition to the two military personnel previously confirmed dead, as a result of a test on Thursday morning involving “isotopic sources of fuel on a liquid propulsion unit.”

        A bright memory of our comrades will forever live in our hearts,” the statement said.
        That's a somewhat ironic wording for that particular message on this occasion, is it an accurate translation ?
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        • #19
          From the people who brought you Chernobyl...

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp

          'The radiation spike that followed the apparent explosion of a nuclear-powered missile engine in Russia -- an event that left seven dead and has been cloaked in secrecy -- was higher than previously indicated by the country's officials, Russian government weather agency on Tuesday said.'

          'The news comes amid conflicting reports that authorities were preparing to evacuate a village close to the Arctic test site where the blast occurred and that doctors who had treated engineers injured in the blast had signed non-disclosure agreements.'

          'Roshydromet, a state weather monitoring body, said Tuesday its sensors in a city near the Nenoksa Missile Test Site on Russia's northern Arctic coast had picked up a spike in background radiation levels four to 16 times above the norm immediately after the blast on Friday when what officials have confirmed was a nuclear-powered missile engine exploded on a floating launch pad. The spike lasted about an hour and half, before levels returned to normal, the agency said.'

          'The spike was still low, but above what Russian authorities said on Sunday, when officials from a nuclear research center noted the spike had been double the norm.'
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          • #20
            That was said at the very beginning. Again, the initial report which appeared on 8 August told about the peak radiation level at Severodvisnk equal to 2 microsievert/h which is equivalent to about 200 microengten/h. A typical background level is about 10 microentgen/h or 0.1 microsievert/h. So this new article just confirms earlier reports. Journos are apparently too stupid to make these simple calculations. "Doubling" apparently pertained to a safe limit not to the background level. Still, provided that an exposure is temporary, this radiation level is not a big deal: when you fly on a jet plane are subjected to the same radiation:
            https://hps.org/publicinformation/at...alflights.html
            Last edited by Artyom_A; 14 Aug 19, 09:55.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/w...radiation.html



              That's a somewhat ironic wording for that particular message on this occasion, is it an accurate translation ?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                That was said at the very beginning. Again, the initial report which appeared on 8 August told about the peak radiation level at Severodvisnk equal to 2 microsievert/h which is equivalent to about 200 microengten/h. A typical background level is about 10 microentgen/h or 0.1 microsievert/h. So this new article just confirms earlier reports. Journos are apparently too stupid to make these simple calculations. "Doubling" apparently pertained to a safe limit not to the background level. Still, provided that an exposure is temporary, this radiation level is not a big deal: when you fly on a jet plane are subjected to the same radiation:
                https://hps.org/publicinformation/at...alflights.html
                So seven people died due to an insignificant amount of radiation?

                Really?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                  I guess, the management of the station was a little responsible as well, wasn't it? Anyway, it would probably surprise you but the present Russian government has no lineage to the "Kremlin" of 1986. Legally the Russian Federation is a successor of the Soviet Union only in international treaties and membership in international organizations. Otherwise it is one of the splinters of the SU, not different from Ukraine or other republics.
                  The present Russian government is run by Putin, former member of the old Soviet Union KGB, so there is, indeed, a direct lineage to the old Soviet Union and its methods of suppressing information.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                    So seven people died due to an insignificant amount of radiation?

                    Really?
                    Explosion.
                    An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Rutger View Post

                      Explosion.
                      An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases.
                      .
                      I don't see the word "explosion" anywhere in the quote of what I said.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                        The present Russian government is run by Putin, former member of the old Soviet Union KGB, so there is, indeed, a direct lineage to the old Soviet Union and its methods of suppressing information.
                        Majority of Russians were born in USSR. So, the argument is completely irrelevant.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Emtos View Post

                          Majority of Russians were born in USSR. So, the argument is completely irrelevant.
                          The majority of the USSR was Russia, both heart and soul, though as communists they might deny the soul part because of the official atheism of the communists.
                          We are not now that strength which in old days
                          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post

                            The majority of the USSR was Russia, both heart and soul, though as communists they might deny the soul part because of the official atheism of the communists.
                            There were plenty of Jews, Caucasians, Ukrainians and others who also played their part. However it has nothing to do with stupid argument that serving in KGB makes a direct lineage to USSR.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                              I guess, the management of the station was a little responsible as well, wasn't it? Anyway, it would probably surprise you but the present Russian government has no lineage to the "Kremlin" of 1986. Legally the Russian Federation is a successor of the Soviet Union only in international treaties and membership in international organizations. Otherwise it is one of the splinters of the SU, not different from Ukraine or other republics.
                              The present Russian government is the successor to the now defunct government of the USSR. Putin himself is a product of the USSR and was a KGB officer to boot. He is now a dictator in all but name and is a successor to the Tsars and Commissars of Russia's oligarchic past and does not govern by the rule of law. He is also a murderer.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                                The present Russian government is the successor to the now defunct government of the USSR. Putin himself is a product of the USSR and was a KGB officer to boot. He is now a dictator in all but name and is a successor to the Tsars and Commissars of Russia's oligarchic past and does not govern by the rule of law. He is also a murderer.
                                All of this is a lie.
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