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    Recent archeological evidence has found the probable location of mass graves of people murdered during the late 1930s:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp
    Last edited by Massena; 08 Oct 18, 07:27.
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    There should be many mass graves from that era. There were a lot of mass killings\exterminations going on in that part of Europe from Stalin and Germany.

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    • #3
      The Katyn forest mass graves were found.
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      • #4
        Probably they will be soon graves where victims of nazis were buried. In Karelia Russians are currently turning Stalin-era mass graves into WWII ones and claiming Finns did it.
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        • #5
          Eh, high death rate in Finnish POWs and internment camps is not a secret to anyone interested in history of that period. Regardless of that Karelian graves story.

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          • #6
            Rachinsky said that over a thousand of those believed to be buried in Kommunarka remain unidentified after the Russian security services closed access to Soviet-era files.
            Hell what? The policy is that investigation files and personal cases are accessible only to relatives. It doesn't have anything to with declassification. Situation with personal files of Red Army's officers is not different btw - only relatives can access them.

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            • #7
              IRC there are still closed files both about repressions and WWII.
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              • #8
                Files accessible to relatives only and classified files are different things. I advice to check this page to understand some legal implications present:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_p...laws_in_Russia
                I'm ready to bet money that nobody actually closed access to files containing no personal information.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                  Eh, high death rate in Finnish POWs and internment camps is not a secret to anyone interested in history of that period.
                  That is not being discussed. The current nationalism driven Russian non-sense with regards to the Sandarmokh however is.

                  https://www.rferl.org/a/dig-near-sta.../29470518.html
                  https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...riev-sandarmoh
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                  • #10
                    Yeah, Finnish historians have already been over the Finnish WWII record with a fine comb, including the brutal aspects of Finnish war-fighting. Which is why the current spate of Russian historical fabrication is seriously unconvincing. But then, it really only can be designed to convince the Russian public.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
                      That is not being discussed. The current nationalism driven Russian non-sense with regards to the Sandarmokh however is.

                      https://www.rferl.org/a/dig-near-sta.../29470518.html
                      https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...riev-sandarmoh
                      Not one but two garbage sources. Why not add some British press ? Without them it's non-complete.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        Recent archeological evidence has found the probable location of mass graves of people murdered during the late 1930s:

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp
                        The big question is how are we Americans and the people of the various countries of WW2 suppose to feel of this?

                        And the answer needs to be a lot more then the Soviets were mere partners. The Soviets were key allies during WW2.

                        Biggest of all, and this is what those anti Communists need to answer to. If Stalin was such a bad guy, the United States is equally responsible for the so called crimes committed by the USSR. One can not have it both ways, if one believes the USSR was an evil empire the same logic must be applied to allies of the USSR during WW2. USSR allowed interfaith marriage and was against race and bigotry...unlike some of the so called allies of the USA today.

                        I take a different route, along with billions of this world...Many can see that yes the USSR had issues, it was not perfect.. poverty was an issue in the USSR but the ideology of the USSR was one of equality among man...there may have been corrupt Soviets in the NKVD and even in the Soviet Army and Navy during WW2, but the good ideology of many Soviet people whom admired the family spirit ought be admired. I know an Ex Soviet whom says the USSR times were better then what modern day Russia offers.

                        We need to be 100 % that the USSR under Stalin was some sort of evil empire...even the source says "probable" but not definite.
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                        • #13
                          Folks ought try to speak with Ex Soviets whom served during WW2 or whom lived in the USSR and had family play a role in WW2. Such testimony today is telling, bc these folks do not have a reason to lie. One can then compare testimony of Ex Soviets to the various reports conducted by those years after WW2 or these various allegations conducted by those whom did not ever live in the USSR or serve the Soviet armed forces

                          One can note that Ex Soviets have a variety of viewpoints of their history.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
                            That is not being discussed. The current nationalism driven Russian non-sense with regards to the Sandarmokh however is.

                            https://www.rferl.org/a/dig-near-sta.../29470518.html
                            https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...riev-sandarmoh
                            I would take those stories from politically biased activists with a grain of salt. Basically the story is that some of corpses found in Karelia are said to be Red Army POWs who died or were killed in Finnish captivity. Worth to mention that no facts rebutting this version are actually presented. Nobody says that there were no Gulag camps there or executions etc. If you think the opposite, please provide relevant first-hand quotes. And yes, Finnish treatment of POWs is quite relevant here.
                            Yuri Kilin is a very known historian, I guess he most be known in Finland as well. I believe the man is far more qualified than those anonymous journos from Radio Liberty.
                            Accusation of nationalism are pretty meaningless. I've seen many Finns in the internet. Saying that they are not nationalistic is like saying that bears are not predators. Not that I found it a bad thing though.
                            Last edited by Artyom_A; 13 Oct 18, 05:05.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                              Yeah, Finnish historians have already been over the Finnish WWII record with a fine comb, including the brutal aspects of Finnish war-fighting. Which is why the current spate of Russian historical fabrication is seriously unconvincing.
                              That is simply a bullshit. Nobody made more to research the history of Stalinist terror than Russian historians. It's worth to remind that before circa 1990 (opening of Soviet-era archives) the Western writing on this subject were mostly Conquest-type stories which were a factually unreliable mixture of facts and fantasies of awful scientific quality. 99% of factually reliable information about the Stalinist repressions is known only owing to historians from Russia and other former USSR.

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