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  • Russia: A Nation of Sore Losers,

    The opinion piece is the work of Maxim Trudolyubov, an editor at large for the business newspaper Vedomosti, writes The Russia File blog for the Kennan Institute and is a fellow at the Bosch Academy in Berlin.

    MOSCOW — Everyone loves to win. But in Russia, obsessing about victories past or present, military or artistic, is a national pastime.
    At least, that’s the impression you get if you listen to Russia’s politicians and its state-run news media. That Russia’s leadership in arts, sports and fighting terrorism is not sufficiently recognized by the rest of the world is a daily staple, a very public kind of acute status anxiety.
    Celebrating triumphs is preferable, of course. Russians do not like losing. In fact, their leaders make a show of being very sore losers indeed.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/op...html?ref=world
    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

  • #2
    One more Moscow-born blahblahman.

    I went to school in the old Soviet Union, and it was as I went to university that Russia’s transition to a post-Soviet state occurred. The process was not pretty. We did feel perhaps that our country was diminished, but we worked hard and never felt humiliated.
    I happen to be the same age and 'worked hard and never felt humiliated' is an oversimplification.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Backfire View Post
      I happen to be the same age and 'worked hard and never felt humiliated' is an oversimplification.
      So the truth was that back then you were lazy and embarrassed?
      Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
        So the truth was that back then you were lazy and embarrassed?
        Me personally - yes, exactly. And I would say plenty of people were. Not all, but plenty, especially when speaking of 'embarrased'.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Backfire View Post
          Me personally - yes, exactly. And I would say plenty of people were. Not all, but plenty, especially when speaking of 'embarrased'.
          Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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          • #6
            I dont see Russia as a nation of sore losers. I see in the Russian people a proud people, whom are proud of their countries contribution to saving humanity during WW2.



            The USSR , USA, and UK all teamed up to destroy the Third Reich. In Stalin related films during the Stalin years we see pro American themes. I tell you folks something, while men like Stalin(Ukraine famine) and Churchill(Bengal famine ) have been blamed for killing millions...it was Stalin and Churchill who led their countries during WW2. Wrt the National socialist related films of WW2 we see Jews as being blamed for all the worlds problems.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ_gDQM59Es
            In the USSR....Stalin outlawed antisemitism. 500,000 Jews fought for the USSR..and these Jewish veterans of the soviet Union are heroes for the world...they live today in Russia and Israel, and around the world. And what really stands out to me wrt the the USSR and WW2 are videos such as the following,

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgzrI1okwrQ

            Its a fictionalized version of Stalin landing in Berlin but in that video above we see Frenchmen, American, Brits, we even see concentration camp survivors happy. And this serves as a big knockout punch to the National socialists. During WW2 the National socialists and their allies viewed the Russians as weakling slaves...well history shows that the Russians fought valiantly during WW2...scoring a tremendous victory not only for their country, but for the world.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
              Its a fictionalized version of Stalin landing in Berlin but in that video above we see Frenchmen, American, Brits, we even see concentration camp survivors happy. And this serves as a big knockout punch to the National socialists. During WW2 the National socialists and their allies viewed the Russians as weakling slaves...well history shows that the Russians fought valiantly during WW2...scoring a tremendous victory not only for their country, but for the world.
              Stalin's behavior as "commander in chief" was quite cowardly. The Soviet leader made a total of only 2 trips "to the front" but only to the rear where he visited a headquarters and listened to a report, and in 1 case he slept in a farm house far behind the front-line and away from the shooting. Stalin never met any combat troops and never got near the fighting. Stalin was afraid of his own shadow even in Moscow: he drove around in an armored cars and the windows of his Kremlin office were always covered with heavy curtains in case somebody takes a shot or throws a grenade. Stalin would have been terrified to be in the company of rank-and-file Soviet soldiers armed with live ammo as he was paranoid about 'traitors' everywhere, including the army.

              "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
              --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Taieb el-Okbi View Post
                I dont see Russia as a nation of sore losers. I see in the Russian people a proud people, whom are proud of their countries contribution to saving humanity during WW2.
                The Soviet Union fought "for humanity" like Hitler fought for "Western civilization". It's complete nonsense. Stalin's behavior after the conclusion of WWII and the Iron Curtain that followed demonstrates the true intentions of the Soviets. Both the fascists and bolsheviks fought for dominance in Europe, at the expense of lesser states. You cannot achieve dominance in Europe by promoting love of humanity when everybody was in an arms race building weapons.

                In the USSR....Stalin outlawed antisemitism. 500,000 Jews fought for the USSR..and these Jewish veterans of the soviet Union are heroes for the world...they live today in Russia and Israel, and around the world. And what really stands out to me wrt the the USSR and WW2 are videos such as the following,
                Stalin was a virulent anti-Semite who had already started purging the Jews before the outbreak of WWII when many Soviet commanders were expelled from Red Army or murdered because of Jewish background. This could have been an attempt to impress Hitler and earn his favor. The outbreak of WWII prevented Stalin from finishing the Jewish plan, but after the war he was ready to resume his attack on Jews. The Doctor's Plot gave us the first glimpse of his plan that was only interrupted by Stalin's death. The creation of Israel was a watershed event in Stalin's life because after the proclamation of Israel he saw every Jew in Russia as a potential agent of Israel, and by extension of that, an agent of Western powers. The massive emigration of Russian Jews to Israel in the 1940s added insult to Stalin's injury because he saw the emigration as an act of betrayal and disloyalty.

                "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
                --Frederick II, King of Prussia

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                  The outbreak of WWII prevented Stalin from finishing the Jewish plan, but after the war he was ready to resume his attack on Jews. The Doctor's Plot gave us the first glimpse of his plan that was only interrupted by Stalin's death.
                  It's a known urban legend, I mean "Jewish plan".
                  Stalin was a virulent anti-Semite who had already started purging the Jews before the outbreak of WWII when many Soviet commanders were expelled from Red Army or murdered because of Jewish background.
                  BS. Many commanders were expelled because of German, Polish or Latvian background, but not Jewish. "National filter" was recorded in many official documents so we can be quite sure here. And the reason was not some Stalin's idiosyncrasy toward certain nationalities, but a simple fact of affiliation with unfriendly countries. In general purges of the officer corps in 1937-38 do not reveal any anti-Semitic agenda.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                    You cannot achieve dominance in Europe by promoting love of humanity when everybody was in an arms race building weapons.
                    Worth to mention here that a period from from 1945 to circa 1990 (breakup of Yugoslavia and USSR) was the longest period of peace in the European history. American-Soviet dominance in Europe was not without dividends.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                      Worth to mention here that a period from from 1945 to circa 1990 (breakup of Yugoslavia and USSR) was the longest period of peace in the European history. American-Soviet dominance in Europe was not without dividends.
                      True enough. We still have it due to both sides having nukes imo. No one wants to pick a fight when they know the end is going to be really bad for them. Also the Germans getting their butts kicked so thoroughly the last time has changed their tune...
                      Credo quia absurdum.


                      Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MonsterZero View Post
                        Stalin's behavior as "commander in chief" was quite cowardly. The Soviet leader made a total of only 2 trips "to the front" but only to the rear where he visited a headquarters and listened to a report, and in 1 case he slept in a farm house far behind the front-line and away from the shooting. Stalin never met any combat troops and never got near the fighting. Stalin was afraid of his own shadow even in Moscow: he drove around in an armored cars and the windows of his Kremlin office were always covered with heavy curtains in case somebody takes a shot or throws a grenade. Stalin would have been terrified to be in the company of rank-and-file Soviet soldiers armed with live ammo as he was paranoid about 'traitors' everywhere, including the army.
                        Stalin was only some 30 kilometers away from the Germans when he gave this speech, surrounded by thousands of armed Soviets.


                        USSR veterans have shown praise for Stalin, many modern day Russians and non Russians view Stalin in a positive manner. I view Stalin in a positive manner. I find similarities between Stalin when compared to Ghenghis Khan, Maximilien Robespierre, and to an extent FDR and Churchill.
                        Last edited by Taieb el-Okbi; 03 Jun 16, 05:32.

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                        • #13
                          From what I remember Stalin didn't use to inspect some tank or aircraft factories in the rear either. It appears that he didn't like to leave Moscow, one can count occasions when he did during the war with fingers on both hands. Can't say exactly why.

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                          • #14
                            Maxim Trudolyubov is yet another Soros-connected liberal peddling an anti-Russian narrative and churning out articles for Soros-connected organisations such as the Kennan Institute, the Robert Bosch Academy, Eurozine and others.

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                            • #15
                              It's been a while since I visited this part of the forum, but the heading of the thread jumped up at me.

                              "A nation of sore losers"? Well, the answer to that is provided by the writer himself in the first sentence of his piece:

                              "Everyone loves to win."

                              Who, exactly, likes to lose? Who, exactly, isn't a sore loser? Who can lose with sportsmanlike nonchalance when the matter isn't a friendly football match between amateurs on the neighborhood's field, but it's winning or losing a war?

                              I really don't see why the Russians should be singled out among all the countries of the world for this.
                              Michele

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