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    President Put is offering 1 hectare (about 2.4 acres) of free land in Russia's remote and sparsely populated Far East where hardy pioneer types are willing to move. The land is practically Wild West with little infrastructure but lots of untapped potential and mineral resources.

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-.../27711583.html


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  • #2
    Well it's better than the traditional 7ft by 3ft that Russian despots have offered in the past but you're not going to be able to do much with a hectare
    Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MarkV View Post
      Well it's better than the traditional 7ft by 3ft that Russian despots have offered in the past but you're not going to be able to do much with a hectare


      That's about four modern residential lots.

      A far cry from 180 acres and a mule.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MarkV View Post
        Well it's better than the traditional 7ft by 3ft that Russian despots have offered in the past
        You don't know much about colonization of Siberia, do you? For a start:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolyp...m#Colonization

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        • #5
          It does come with some quite serious caveats. While there are no real limitations on what can be done with it the owner has just 1 year to come up with a plan and 3 years to prove that land has actually been put to use. Local administration decides on the available plots which are required to be minimum of 20 km away from large towns and at least 10 km away even from smaller towns.

          Also from what i understood prospecting of mineral resources is solely state owned right in Russia so i'm not sure how mineral resources would matter.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MarkV View Post
            Well it's better than the traditional 7ft by 3ft that Russian despots have offered in the past but you're not going to be able to do much with a hectare
            Good point. Too big for a house and too small for farming. However, in those parts of Russia you can support yourself as a professional trapper and fisherman because of incredible abundance of wildlife. It will feed you and extra bounty can be sold for a few coins.

            However, the trapper has to be very skilled because your average wannabe can literally lose his life there.

            See the German film Happy People. Incredible film.


            "Artillery adds dignity to what would otherwise be a ugly brawl."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post


              That's about four modern residential lots.

              A far cry from 180 acres and a mule.
              1 hectare = 10,000 sq meters/ one football field per side.

              Current residential lots are only 60 x 122' sq ft.

              Last edited by Mountain Man; 04 May 16, 13:38.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                You don't know much about colonization of Siberia, do you? For a start:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolyp...m#Colonization
                And how many who were forcibly sent to "colonise" Siberia ended up with 7ft by 3 ft? A hell of a lot - is there no end to Russian denialism? obviously not.
                Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                • #9
                  Well, you probably need to read the text down the link before arguing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
                    It does come with some quite serious caveats. While there are no real limitations on what can be done with it the owner has just 1 year to come up with a plan and 3 years to prove that land has actually been put to use. Local administration decides on the available plots which are required to be minimum of 20 km away from large towns and at least 10 km away even from smaller towns.

                    Also from what i understood prospecting of mineral resources is solely state owned right in Russia so i'm not sure how mineral resources would matter.
                    Given the size there's not a lot you could do with it.
                    Any man can hold his place when the bands play and women throw flowers; it is when the enemy presses close and metal shears through the ranks that one can acertain which are soldiers, and which are not.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Arnold J Rimmer View Post
                      Given the size there's not a lot you could do with it.
                      OK for the wealthy to build a dacha on!
                      Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                      Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                      • #12
                        Is land in Russia's sparsely populated Far East so expensive that giving it for free is seen as a major deal? I mean if settlement is what they're trying to encourage they would have to offer some other types of benefits, I doubt the purchase of the bare plot of land was the main issue.

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                        • #13
                          Private ownership may be the issue, if the land was exclusively state owned before idk.
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                          • #14
                            Free land was one of the baits dangled in front of the peasants by the Bolsheviks to encourage support for the revolution. This was then reneged on big time with collectivisation.

                            However unless one is going in for some very intensive high value added specialist production the amount of land doesn't seem large enough to encourage agricultural settlers
                            Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe (H G Wells)
                            Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens (Friedrich von Schiller)

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                            • #15
                              Free land in Russia!
                              And it's worth it!
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