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  • Polish minister calls Katyn air crush a terrorist attack

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/po...-crash-n537441

  • #2
    Well, maybe he was thinking of the Soviets massacring Polish officers at Katyn.
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    • #3
      May be you read the article first.

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      • #4
        "After (the) Smolensk (plane crash), we can say that we were ... the first great victim of terrorism in the modern conflict, that's playing out right before our eyes," Macierewicz said.
        Was the quote originally in English ?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
          Was the quote originally in English ?
          Warto pamiętać, że to my byliśmy pierwszą ofiarą terroryzmu w latach 30., a po Smoleńsku możemy powiedzieć, że byliśmy też pierwszą wielką ofiarą terroryzmu we współczesnym konflikcie, jaki się na naszych oczach rozgrywa – dowodził minister
          http://www.fakt.pl/politycy/antoni-m...ly,617873.html

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          • #6
            I will at any rate -

            Thank you

            It's interesting he refers to the 30s - can we conclude from that he considers the Nazi invasion also an act of "terrorism" ?

            Certainly the reference was omitted in the English translation in the article.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              I will at any rate -

              Thank you

              It's interesting he refers to the 30s - can we conclude from that he considers the Nazi invasion also an act of "terrorism" ?

              Certainly the reference was omitted in the English translation in the article.
              Yes, he is essentially stating that, "it is well worth remembering that we were the first victims of terrorism in the 1930s, and now with Smolensk we have also been the first major victim of terrorism in the present-day conflict which is unfolding before our very eyes..."

              If he is referring to the Nazis, he has conveniently forgotten about German Jews, Social-Democrats, Communists and trade unionists, as well as the countries of Austria and Czechoslovakia - all of whom fell victim to the Nazis prior to Poland.

              I suspect he is talking about the USSR - since the more extreme Polish nationalists have a tendency to forget about what the Nazis did due to their electron-microscopic focus on Katyn..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                I suspect he is talking about the USSR - since the more extreme Polish nationalists have a tendency to forget about what the Nazis did due to their electron-microscopic focus on Katyn..
                I doubt they are ignoring it. But they are not going to ignore Soviet actions because of those either.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                  May be you read the article first.
                  I think you're being way too demanding to him
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
                    I doubt they are ignoring it. But they are not going to ignore Soviet actions because of those either.
                    How often do you see Polish nationalists jumping up and down about Chelmno?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                      Yes, he is essentially stating that, "it is well worth remembering that we were the first victims of terrorism in the 1930s, and now with Smolensk we have also been the first major victim of terrorism in the present-day conflict which is unfolding before our very eyes..."

                      If he is referring to the Nazis, he has conveniently forgotten about German Jews, Social-Democrats, Communists and trade unionists, as well as the countries of Austria and Czechoslovakia - all of whom fell victim to the Nazis prior to Poland.

                      I suspect he is talking about the USSR - since the more extreme Polish nationalists have a tendency to forget about what the Nazis did due to their electron-microscopic focus on Katyn..
                      So this is essentially a case of "..whoever threatens or disposes of the current Polish government" is therefore a terrorist ?

                      Not a reference to terrorism as a method.

                      Not unusual in the East - Ukraine, Assad, Turkey etc..

                      "Terrorism" has become an extremely useless concept lately.
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                      • #12
                        I think the Katyn 1940 and the Smolensk 2010 events very often go together in Polish perception.
                        I noticed in Wien, Austria next the the Polish Cathedral (close to the Soviet WWII memorial) there is a Katyn Cross, where Smolensk also mentioned on the same stone.

                        http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/memor...h-59430390.jpg
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                          Yes, he is essentially stating that, "it is well worth remembering that we were the first victims of terrorism in the 1930s, and now with Smolensk we have also been the first major victim of terrorism in the present-day conflict which is unfolding before our very eyes..."
                          There are also words that "Terrorism is a product of socialist-Soviet thought and it didn't exist in the history of Western Christian world". Which is pretty funny given that the first president of Poland was assassinated by a nationalist activist immediately after elections:
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...iel_Narutowicz

                          Various allegation about the Smolensk aircrush were quite widespread in Poland especially among PiS supporters, but it's the first in me in my memory when they voiced on such official level.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Artyom_A View Post
                            There are also words that "Terrorism is a product of socialist-Soviet thought and it didn't exist in the history of Western Christian world". Which is pretty funny given that the first president of Poland was assassinated by a nationalist activist immediately after elections:
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...iel_Narutowicz


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                            • #15
                              Come now, ShAA. Everyone knows Charlotte was a commie-pinko...

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