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    I found this by chance was just searching things, and the site also talks about how China is also changing just as much as required to not fall into the same trap of being semi-developed and cut off from western technology infusions.

    http://21stcenturysocialism.com/arti...war_01331.html

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    Originally posted by GunzRX View Post
    I found this by chance was just searching things, and the site also talks about how China is also changing just as much as required to not fall into the same trap of being semi-developed and cut off from western technology infusions.

    http://21stcenturysocialism.com/arti...war_01331.html
    Thanks for bringing this up here, I've heard of the US efforts to keep the Soviet Union down technologically, but this is truly revealing. It's only amazing that the Soviet Union, which suffered the most of all countries in WW2 both in terms of population losses and the sheer destruction caused by 3 years of fighting, cut off from modern technology transfer by the US, managed to last that long!

    I think this topic would be much more relevant in the Russia forum. I'll ask the moderators to move it there.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by GunzRX View Post
      Real take on why USSR collapsed
      the West won the Cold War because it's always controlled the World's finances and banking, which the USSR was not in time to buy into.

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      • #4
        It saddens me tho, many things that we pick-pick apart minutely are done in by one major fatal thing which is either un-looked or un-conquered.

        The human experience is simpler than we make it out to be, the details are easily handled by our intuition. It's like if the 92 election of Indian Punjab hadn't been boycotted, OT but yea..

        I wonder what path China will take, and some are saying there won't be a 25th anniv. of collapse of the USSR. From the sounds of it like this, the USSR was much, much better than the west.

        Both, are essentially police states however and leave much to be desired.

        Atleast in the West any governmental 'charge' is out-done by claiming common law jurisdiction.

        Having to sit, every second and know that there are children dieing for no reason is

        It's like the Brits back in the days in my own endz, a couple billion cuz they could.

        There's regular death, and excess mortality.

        'the World's finances and banking'

        It's better to run a public, central bank vs a private one Canada is a perfect example no debt pre-1974 now sinking deeper into poverty.

        It was technology at the end of the day, Russia had the money, and could make it too for all else that they talk about it probably boiled down to this.

        It's also weird how they talk about 'subsidized' state enterprises when private firms simply externalize the costs onto the 'social safety net' while the state run enterprises provide it.

        Same site had the thing about China where smaller firms which are now mostly private are mostly subsidized esp. with tech transfers by the larger SOE a reversal of old.

        I really hope China doesn't collapse, the 'iron curtain' would be fine if they let you dance (be 'free'). The production ish doesn't matter, the only thing that does is all law being based on only the 10 maxims.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GunzRX View Post
          the USSR was much, much better than the west
          and that is why it collapsed, because the USSR was good at catering to the Good but was bad at catering to the Evil, while the World in most part is evil not good.

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            Two left out at the same time.
            "Ask not what your country can do for you"

            Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

            you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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            • #7
              'A man who believes is free, is the biggest slave'

              It's funny when you people attempt to degrade people due to your own insecurities without knowing who they are. I could be among the top 1% of I.Qs.

              Post edited by Staff.

              Last edited by Skoblin; 11 Dec 12, 07:47.

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              • #8
                Very interesting link Gunz, no need to be rude however.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by joea View Post
                  Very interesting link Gunz, no need to be rude however.
                  Tru, sorry he was following me around a thread or two though.

                  Thread Bump.

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                  • #10
                    Interesting.
                    Wack tac mac hey.
                    Regards.
                    Grishnak.

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                    • #11
                      I did it! I read the entire text!. (I had to put in my mouth guard to do it)

                      I enjoyed the nut of his argument that the USSR would naturally ignore any copyright/patent clauses on their contracts because these naturally should be owned by all the people. Then the complaint that the Western countries wouldn't play fair and give them "cutting edge technology".

                      I do believe the communists will re-gain control in Russia. The welfare state is hard to dismiss once established. (See USA)
                      I doubt they can recreate their domination of the former Warsaw Pact nations and their economies.

                      If the newly reconstructed Communist Russia continues to see enemies on a global scale they will repeat the same error by spending so much on Defense that their economy will suffer.
                      Last edited by holly6; 29 Dec 12, 22:34.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                        I did it! I read the entire text!. (I had to put in my mouth guard to do it)

                        I enjoyed the nut of his argument that the USSR would naturally ignore any copyright/patent clauses on their contracts because these naturally should be owned by all the people. Then the complaint that the Western countries wouldn't play fair and give them "cutting edge technology".

                        I do believe the communists will re-gain control in Russia. The welfare state is hard to dismiss once established. (See USA)
                        I doubt they can recreate their domination of the former Warsaw Pact nations and their economies.

                        If the newly reconstructed Communist Russia continues to see enemies on a global scale they will repeat the same error by spending so much on Defense that their economy will suffer.
                        I took it more to be that the corporations took the USSR copyright violations as an acceptable loss, and a cost of doing business.

                        Western corporations wanted to trade while gov. forced them not to, a political move which forced technology away from them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by holly6 View Post

                          I do believe the communists will re-gain control in Russia. The welfare state is hard to dismiss once established. (See USA)
                          This is based on what exactly? Your extensive knowledge of actual popular opinion in this country and daily experiences living here, or your need for Russia to be the evil communist bad guy to put your mind at ease?
                          Кто там?
                          Это я - Почтальон Печкин!
                          Tunis is a Carthigenian city!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                            I enjoyed the nut of his argument that the USSR would naturally ignore any copyright/patent clauses on their contracts because these naturally should be owned by all the people. Then the complaint that the Western countries wouldn't play fair and give them "cutting edge technology".
                            There's a Russian saying, approximately translated as "look into the book and still not see s**t". It's normally used by teachers at schools when students seem to have read a simple text but can't make anything of it. The article says clearly that the Western governments prohibited the sale and exchange of technologies to the USSR, something which was essential for the economic growth of the developed world, and they were not supposed to "give them for free" as you're claiming here.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                              the Western countries wouldn't play fair and give them "cutting edge technology"
                              Originally posted by holly6 View Post
                              spending so much on Defense
                              in world politics it is not technology or defence that matter but financial and business control over world trade and profits, which the USSR was inherently lacking in its system.

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