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  • joea
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    Very interesting indeed, my impression of Isreali conscripts from what I've read (and how helpful some were on a trip to Isreal awhile back) is they are light years ahead of any other army in terms of quality.

    About the Russian army, I understand the first Chechen war was largely fought by conscripts-with predictable results-and subsequent actions were carried out by the pros.

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  • Golani
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    Originally posted by ShAA View Post
    In 1991 there were referendums in both the city of Leningrad and the province around it with the question "Would you like your city/province to be returned its historical name?" While the majority of Leningraders voted for St. Petersburg (although it was by no means a landslide vote), the provincial people voted to keep the old name. So now we have St. Petersburg as a separate "subject of the Federation" or a "city of Federal subordination" - a province in itself, and the Leningrad province around it. The government and parliament of the province are still in St. Petersburg, although there are talks to transfer them to Vsevolozhsk, a suburb of St. Petersburg.
    Thanks

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  • ShAA
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    Originally posted by Golani View Post
    I thought the word Leningrad was completely erased and returned to St. Petersburg, or is that just for the city and not the region?
    In 1991 there were referendums in both the city of Leningrad and the province around it with the question "Would you like your city/province to be returned its historical name?" While the majority of Leningraders voted for St. Petersburg (although it was by no means a landslide vote), the provincial people voted to keep the old name. So now we have St. Petersburg as a separate "subject of the Federation" or a "city of Federal subordination" - a province in itself, and the Leningrad province around it. The government and parliament of the province are still in St. Petersburg, although there are talks to transfer them to Vsevolozhsk, a suburb of St. Petersburg.

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  • Stryker 19K30
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    Honestly I can't tell you all the details, because all I get is scuttlebut from my students who have been in the army, but I think the fact that they started to develop a professional NCO Corps only in 2009 is kinda telling.

    http://www.jamestown.org/programs/ed...485&no_cache=1

    In a clear break with its former pattern in producing praporshchiki (sergeants) for the army, the Russian defense ministry has begun forming a professional non-commissioned officer (NCO) corps, which will consist of specialists with almost three years of training at a new facility. Controversially, these NCO's will be paid on the same level as active generals: 35,000 rubles ($1,100) per month. It not only marks a significant departure from previous efforts to develop an NCO cadre, but reveals new and deeper thinking on such issues within the defense ministry.
    Maybe having professional NCOs will tighten up the lack of discipline? Who knows though. Sergeants take years and years to mold. The fruits won't be seen for a long time.

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  • Golani
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    Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
    Yeah, that is where they are located, in the Leningrad Region, this base is near Vyborg.
    I thought the word Leningrad was completely erased and returned to St. Petersburg, or is that just for the city and not the region?
    They aren't the backbone of the Army, Its like 2 different armies, the contract guys and the conscripts.
    So, how does it work exactly?

    Like, over here as an example everyone's a conscript. Contract's only offered to professional NCO's and for officers after they finished their conscription period. So conscripts are commanded by "contractors".

    Is that the method in the Russian army, or are there 2 completely different set of units, those that consist entirely of (or mostly of) conscripts and those that are entirely "contractors" (from the lowest grunt to the C.O)?

    Or are units mixed of conscripts and "contractors" on all ranks (or at least the enlisted men ranks)?
    The training standard is low because it is a bunch of guys that don't want to be there and are just waiting to go home.
    So it is a lower tier unit...

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  • Stryker 19K30
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    Originally posted by Golani View Post
    At around 0:05~0:07 he says that the exercise is being held at the "Kaminka range in the Leningrad area"(?)

    So, the military is draft based?
    If so, these guys are the backbone of the army. How come their training is so poor?
    Yeah, that is where they are located, in the Leningrad Region, this base is near Vyborg.

    They aren't the backbone of the Army, Its like 2 different armies, the contract guys and the conscripts. They have even stopped sending conscripts to hot spots and the required service time has decreased and there is a push to have it eliminated all together, though I don't see that happening.

    The training standard is low because it is a bunch of guys that don't want to be there and are just waiting to go home.

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  • Golani
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    Originally posted by Stryker 19K30 View Post
    1)? What do you mean?
    At around 0:05~0:07 he says that the exercise is being held at the "Kaminka range in the Leningrad area"(?)
    2) I didn't listen very closely but I think they said they are conscripts - people that weren't rich enough or find a way to be able to get out of service before they turned 27. They are just biding their time until their year is up.
    So, the military is draft based?
    If so, these guys are the backbone of the army. How come their training is so poor?

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  • Stryker 19K30
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/138th_G..._Rifle_Brigade

    More detail in the Russian Language wiki, sounds like a well disciplined outfit.

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  • Stryker 19K30
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    Originally posted by Golani View Post
    1) Leningrad area...?

    2) What type of unit is that? Training's awful low...is this a standard level or is the unit just some sort of 4th tier reserve local militia style?
    1)? What do you mean?

    2) I didn't listen very closely but I think they said they are conscripts - people that weren't rich enough or find a way to be able to get out of service before they turned 27. They are just biding their time until their year is up.

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  • Golani
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    1) Leningrad area...?

    2) What type of unit is that? Training's awful low...is this a standard level or is the unit just some sort of 4th tier reserve local militia style?

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  • Stryker 19K30
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    It must really suck to roll out to gunnery 4 times a year to shoot one round...

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