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  • Trump's National Betrayal

    Trump's subservience to Putin is hurting the nation and benefitting only Trump and Putin.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...16e_story.html

    President Trump’s ongoing attempt to dismiss or minimize Russian interference in U.S. elections is self-serving to the point of subversion. It is difficult to determine where vanity ends and betrayal begins.

    In July 2019, it was made clear to some in the U.S. intelligence community that the Trump administration wanted the modification of an assessment that Russia was actively favoring Trump’s reelection. When then-Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats refused to make the change — replying, “It is what it is” — it helped hasten his exit.
    This was not an attempt by the administration to cherry-pick existing intelligence. It was an effort to modify an intelligence product in a way the president found politically useful. And it involved a warning to future intelligence officials to play Trump’s political game or face the consequences.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    Truth is stranger than fiction so dont be surprised in about 20 years some one will write a book that lays out that Trump was a Russian Asset used by Putin to achieve the demise of America.......

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bow View Post
      Truth is stranger than fiction so dont be surprised in about 20 years some one will write a book that lays out that Trump was a Russian Asset used by Putin to achieve the demise of America.......
      Which would lead to the question, if he is a Russian asset, what does Putin have on Trump to coerce him in doing chaotic things that favors the Russian position? Must be something quite impressive.

      And to support Trump, what do the Russian have on senior officials and congressional leaders, to aid the President's chaotic behaviour?

      Of course, this is all speculation. But if one is to pursue the Russian ''card'' as a factor influencing Trump's behavior and decisions, answers to the above questions would help.
      Last edited by Capt AFB; 12 Aug 20, 10:26.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bow View Post
        Truth is stranger than fiction so dont be surprised in about 20 years some one will write a book that lays out that Trump was a Russian Asset used by Putin to achieve the demise of America.......
        There's no need for conspiracy theories when a perfectly logical explanation is available,

        historians will find what is clear now, Trump participated in the primaries to promote his own brand mostly, did it a number of times before, or at least floated the idea,

        he was honestly surprised when he started winning, came up against what was probable the most hated woman in the history of the US..

        Only mystery to me is how he managed to capture the republican nomination, and defeated all others, each in turn.

        No one has been able to explain that to me in 5 years.
        Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

        Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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        • #5
          All the attention with Russia seems to be on Putin and Trump but the bigger threat might be the Russian oligarchs who shrewdly use US law to protect them and carefully manipulate and corrupt the political process. This may be the biggest threat to the US economy as United States is oligopolyized with the help of Russia by shrewd increments and careful bribes and Russian investments in depressed rural areas, like Kentucky. It's really shocking what a few bribes here and a little kompromat there can accomplish. The danger therefore is from within as well as from outside. Russia has turned into a rogue state run by mobsters and their formula is highly contagious.

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          • #6
            Russia has been a rogue state run by mobsters since the early 1920's after the 'civil war' there.
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
            “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
            Present Current Events are the Future's History

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            • #7
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              Russia has been a rogue state run by mobsters since the early 1920's after the 'civil war' there.
              Yes, indeed. And since the 1920s we fought against their ideology, until now.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                There's no need for conspiracy theories when a perfectly logical explanation is available,

                historians will find what is clear now, Trump participated in the primaries to promote his own brand mostly, did it a number of times before, or at least floated the idea,

                he was honestly surprised when he started winning, came up against what was probable the most hated woman in the history of the US..

                Only mystery to me is how he managed to capture the republican nomination, and defeated all others, each in turn.

                No one has been able to explain that to me in 5 years.
                Hated? She still managed to win the popular vote.

                I don't like H Clinton but there doesn't seem to be a narrative or perception that doesn't gel with the reality of the situation.

                She is a politician.

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                • #9
                  My entire perception of US politics is based on what I read here on the ACG.

                  After over a decade of political discussions here, there was no one that was treated in a similar hateful manner, not even Obama or Satan himself
                  Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                  Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                    My entire perception of US politics is based on what I read here on the ACG.
                    So you are assuming that a group of 99% male US citizen interested in military history and not all that young are representative of the US population as a whole.

                    Michele

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Trump's subservience to Putin
                      I suppose Putin was overjoyed when Trump sent missiles to Ukraine.
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                      "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BorderRuffian View Post
                        I suppose Putin was overjoyed when Trump sent missiles to Ukraine.
                        Let's not interject logic or facts, ....
                        .... that destroys the foundations of some people's irrational hatred based upon personality of their target.

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                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                        Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparlingo View Post

                          Yes, indeed. And since the 1920s we fought against their ideology, until now.
                          As the punchline goes: "What do you mean "we" Kimosabe?"

                          More seriously, that would be the Soviet Russian Communist Party Ideology ???
                          Or does "Mother Russia" have an ideology ?

                          And is Putin's dictatorship a new version of "Soviet Russian Communist Party Ideology"; or something different?
                          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                          “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                          Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post
                            Trump's subservience to Putin is hurting the nation and benefitting only Trump and Putin.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...16e_story.html

                            President Trump’s ongoing attempt to dismiss or minimize Russian interference in U.S. elections is self-serving to the point of subversion. It is difficult to determine where vanity ends and betrayal begins.

                            In July 2019, it was made clear to some in the U.S. intelligence community that the Trump administration wanted the modification of an assessment that Russia was actively favoring Trump’s reelection. When then-Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats refused to make the change — replying, “It is what it is” — it helped hasten his exit.
                            This was not an attempt by the administration to cherry-pick existing intelligence. It was an effort to modify an intelligence product in a way the president found politically useful. And it involved a warning to future intelligence officials to play Trump’s political game or face the consequences.
                            For umpteenth time:

                            What voter ballots cast were changed?
                            What ballot counts were altered?
                            Why still give credibility to something started by a paid for by the DNC(Clinton's) piece of fiction(Steele dosiere)?

                            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                            “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
                            Present Current Events are the Future's History

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                            • #15
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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