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  • #61
    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    Spanish flu was much. much worse than Covid.
    That's specifically why I quoted the bits I did above.

    At the end of the three normally distinguished waves (spring-summer then autumn of 1918, winter of 1919), the final count is catastrophic.
    I suggest we await the 'final count' and leave it to historians, not virologists or politicians


    It is often said that, worldwide, the epidemic killed more people than the war, though it is problematic to compare two events of such differing natures
    Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

    Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

      That's specifically why I quoted the bits I did above.



      I suggest we await the 'final count' and leave it to historians, not virologists or politicians

      Spanish flu killed c17m. Covid hasn't broken a million yet. It has done with Europe, US is passed the second mini peak, South America is slowing, China and east Asia seem to be more or less clear. Can;t see where the numbers are going to come from to get anywhere near Spanish flu
      .Whereas Asian flu which killed between 1 and 4m seems a much better compactor..No lock downs and no mass panic for Asian flu. People, governments and the medical profession were far more resilient in the 50s than they are now.
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • #63
        It's a very different disease with no indication of it going away. And it doesn't show up immediately upon infection, but 5-8 days later.

        Why are you continuously downplaying a deadly disease?
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • #64
          [QUOTE=Massena;n5212950]It's a very different disease with no indication of it going away. And it doesn't show up immediately upon infection, but 5-8 days later.

          Why are you continuously downplaying a deadly disease?
          [/QUO

          Because to the vast majority it is not a deadly disease.
          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Surrey View Post
            Spanish flu killed c17m.
            But we didn't know that in 1918.

            In fact we hardly 'noticed' it at the time.

            For that reason, the episode of the "Spanish" fever has long remained in the shadow of the Great War. However, the "avian" flu at the start of the 2000s sparked a new interest in this pandemic.
            Note the cute historical parallel there
            Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

            Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

              But we didn't know that in 1918.

              In fact we hardly 'noticed' it at the time.



              Note the cute historical parallel there
              There had been a gradual hyping up of a potential deadly pandemic cumming from China is the early 2000s. Maybe the panic over Covid is simply delayed millennialism?
              "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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              • #67
                The only theoretical solution would be to quarantine any home in which the epidemic is found. This solution is envisaged in Australia, but impractical in Belgium in wartime. Locally, the authorities attempt insofar as possible to prevent the illness from taking advantage of large assemblies by prohibiting any performance, cinema showings or conferences, such as in Huy in the summer of 1918. But the efficiency of these commonsense measures is probably very limited.
                Not sure this is 'panic', it's human and virus interacting in much the same way they did throughout history.

                The word 'lockdown' had not yet been imported here, and so no people were reported to have died on account of closing the cinemas
                Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

                Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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                • #68
                  [QUOTE=Surrey;n5212955]
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post
                  It's a very different disease with no indication of it going away. And it doesn't show up immediately upon infection, but 5-8 days later.

                  Why are you continuously downplaying a deadly disease?
                  [/QUO

                  Because to the vast majority it is not a deadly disease.
                  That is true. But we still don't have a handle on the pandemic and 160,000 dead Americans from the disease is an indicator that it is deadly. Downplaying it supports conspiracy theories about the pandemic and gives a false picture of it.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Rutger View Post

                    H1N1 had 13.000 deaths in one year.

                    Covid about 120.000 in about four months.

                    Geez......
                    About 100,000 have been infected, but here's the thing. School has been out. Once in session the cases will rise substantially. It's proven children catch this virus. You just have to look at schools that have already started. Many already have cases and that means they are spreading this.

                    If they are getting it/have it already and schools are just starting, what do think is going to happen once all the schools are back? Play with your own life. Leave other peoples lives along.
                    Conservatives in the U.S. won't be happy until Jim Crow returns and "White Heterosexual Only" signs are legalized.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post

                      You should be confused. The "death panels" were a complete fiction, fabricated by NYS' former lieutenant governor Betsy McCoughy Ross.
                      MY point was I didn't say such and looked like you were putting "words into my mouth" that weren't there to begin with ...



                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      So returning as a dog or a cow or something like that, that ain't your gig?

                      Again, something I didn't say! ... and something conjectured by others whom haven't clear reading/comprehension/discerning skills.

                      My particular envision of reincarnation is a progressive process where there is no regression to lower lifeforms, rather a "re-start" on a scale close to where one left off in the last "incarnation". You could have asked for details rather than assume a gross inaccuracy.

                      Originally posted by slick_miester View Post
                      It's just that you've got to figure that, politically speaking, the figure who stands to be hurt the most by covid is Donald Trump: his strongest demographic is the over-65s.
                      Maybe ~ May be not!

                      I figure that rational thought and reason crosses all age groups and demographics so a wide range of citizens/voters will see the obvious choice differences between "Deal maker/scammer - Trump", and "hasn't a clue, remains ineffectual Joe".
                      Last edited by G David Bock; 10 Aug 20, 19:55.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                        But we didn't know that in 1918.

                        In fact we hardly 'noticed' it at the time.



                        Note the cute historical parallel there
                        Case in point.

                        Our "hindsight" still remains limited for assessments.
                        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
                        “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                          Spanish flu killed c17m. Covid hasn't broken a million yet. It has done with Europe, US is passed the second mini peak, South America is slowing, China and east Asia seem to be more or less clear. Can;t see where the numbers are going to come from to get anywhere near Spanish flu
                          .Whereas Asian flu which killed between 1 and 4m seems a much better compactor..No lock downs and no mass panic for Asian flu. People, governments and the medical profession were far more resilient in the 50s than they are now.
                          But it isn't over.

                          Some of us have passed a first wave and it's now on more of a slow burn, but still with us. The problem is that it's so new no one knows how immunity works with this thing, really, and we still have no vaccine, and don't know yet if an effective one can successfully be made even.

                          This thing might be the new normal for all we know, and a big part of it having slowed down in Europe, is basically all of Europe going into relative hiding from it, for now, which we can't keep up indefinitely – not unless hiding from it like this is the new normal.

                          So how is it "done" even with Europe?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
                            But it isn't over.

                            Some of us have passed a first wave and it's now on more of a slow burn, but still with us. The problem is that it's so new no one knows how immunity works with this thing, really, and we still have no vaccine, and don't know yet if an effective one can successfully be made even.

                            This thing might be the new normal for all we know, and a big part of it having slowed down in Europe, is basically all of Europe going into relative hiding from it, for now, which we can't keep up indefinitely – not unless hiding from it like this is the new normal.

                            So how is it "done" even with Europe?
                            It is done with Europe because the numbers still dying per day are tiny compared to what they were at the peak. Once people stop dying the pandemic is over. Sweden is in single figure deaths. Uk is c20 Spain has had days with zero deaths.
                            "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                            • #74
                              So you are now forecasting the end of the pandemic? Get hold of your ego, old son.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • #75
                                Back-to-school and college football chaos highlight Trump's failed leadership


                                https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/polit...ics/index.html

                                More pillars are fast crumbling in President Donald Trump's frantic and lie-strewn attempt to convince Americans the nation is back to normal before the election, with chaos already afflicting the return to school and a rite of fall -- college football -- on the brink.

                                Trump's false insistence that children are "immune" from the coronavirus and can't spread it is being undermined by new figures showing that nearly 100,000 kids tested positive for the virus in the last two weeks of July. And some of the first schools that are following his calls to fully reopen are being hit by new viral outbreaks almost as soon as classes begin.

                                The President, in demanding a return to class and for college football to kick off, is making education and collegiate sports the latest area of American life to be contaminated by his false narratives about the pandemic. Almost all of his assurances about the crisis -- which have tended to minimize its impact and ignore science -- have proven to be wrong.

                                First Trump said the pandemic would not take hold of the United States, but it did. Then he said it would simply disappear and it didn't. Then the President said it was safe to open state economies before the pathogen was fully under control -- steps which helped cause a viral eruption across southern and western states. He's argued against all the principles of epidemiology that testing doesn't matter -- even though nations that have done better than the US have used that route to get the virus under control. Last week, Trump said that there might be a vaccine before Election Day in another self-serving political comment. Now firms developing the inoculation and experts say that's likely impossible.

                                We are not now that strength which in old days
                                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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