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  • Trump's Subservience to Putin

    Trump fails to confront Putin on any subject and he is playing into Putin's objectives in the Middle East and against NATO. Putin hates NATO and Trump's new 'plan' to withdraw US troops from Germany plays into Putin's plans against Western Europe. Further, Trump's betrayal of US allies, the Kurds, allows Russia to dominate in Syria. Trump is either a willing 'partner' of Putin or he is a dupe. Whatever the case, he is aiding Russian in Putin's strategic goals. And that is against US interests in both Europe and the Middle East.

    And Trump, though having spoken six times with Putin since May, did not broach the subject of Russia supporting the Taliban and perhaps offering cash bounties to the Taliban for killing American and coalition troops.

    Trump is damaging NATO and has special ire against Germany and Angela Merkel. It is obvious to even the most casual observer that Trump does not understand national strategy, fails to acknowledge that Putin and Russia is an enemy of the United States and NATO, and his inaction and lack of knowledge endanger the national security of the United States. And if he is doing this nonsense for Putin, that makes Trump guilty of sedition and possible treason.

    And anyone who defends or supports Trump in his misadventures is also acting against the best interests of the United States.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/29/opini...ion/index.html

    President Donald Trump just removed any question that might have remained about his foreign policy prowess, while also reviving serious concerns about his attitude toward Moscow.

    In an interview with Axios, released on Wednesday, in which he uttered what sounded like a combination of a child's analysis of history and uncle-in-the-attic rantings, Trump confirmed that there is practically nothing that can move him to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    And, as if to underscore the point, the world also learned Wednesday that the Trump administration is moving forward with plans to move 12,000 troops out of Germany, a decision strongly opposed not only by America's NATO allies, but also by Republicans and Democrats in Congress.
    The move would "damage US national security as well as strengthen the position of Russia to our detriment," Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee wrote to Trump last month.The troops are there to defend European allies from Russia. But what about defending American soldiers, who have been getting killed in Afghanistan?
    Trump admitted during the Axios interview without equivocation that he has "never" spoken to Putin about reports from US intelligence agencies that Russia has been paying bounties to the Taliban in Afghanistan, to encourage them to kill Americans.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    Another CNN piece opinion piece leaving out critical facts......but it's Trump!!!

    The reality of the situation is that many of those numbers are being stationed in other NATO countries. Around 5,6k would be sent back to the states and be used as rotational units back to Germany. Saves the US from paying for family PCS.

    Not a new concept, the Marines did it in the early 80's with the 4th & 9th Marine Regiments. They kept the headquarters in Okinawa while battalions did 6 month UDPs to the Regiments.

    Also keep in mind that a good portion of the former Warsaw Pact nations are now a part of NATO. Those country's forces add to NATO.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...ng-right-back/

    Also, no matter how many times the new threads bring up the Russians are paying bounties....the intelligence agencies still say there is no proof of that. Maybe the NYT's unnamed source should provide that proof?
    Last edited by Nichols; 30 Jul 20, 08:10.
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    • #3
      Exactly how does this play into Putin's hands? Is he planning to invade Europe?

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      • #4
        Nice hyperbole.

        But no, not if he can at all avoid it, and best of all if the US is somewhere way off to the side of everything, the EU defunct, and he can play European governments off against each other. It's not rocket science, and Moscow's fingerprints are all over the place already.

        He's currently not getting things all his way, but Trump has quite effectively sidelined the US, and continues to do so.

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        • #5
          Exactly and very well said. Well done.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Johan Banér View Post
            Nice hyperbole.

            But no, not if he can at all avoid it, and best of all if the US is somewhere way off to the side of everything, the EU defunct, and he can play European governments off against each other. It's not rocket science, and Moscow's fingerprints are all over the place already.

            He's currently not getting things all his way, but Trump has quite effectively sidelined the US, and continues to do so.
            The hyperbole was in the OP.
            Please show me Moscow's fingerprints that are all over the place - also hyperbole
            When did the EU become defunct? Or are you suggesting the EU will become defunct if there are no US troops in Germany?


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
              The hyperbole was in the OP.
              Please show me Moscow's fingerprints that are all over the place - also hyperbole
              When did the EU become defunct? Or are you suggesting the EU will become defunct if there are no US troops in Germany?

              Agreed.
              Who is going to invade germany anyway? The French?
              Wouldn't the russians have to go through Poland first?


              If the EU needs US troops in order to exist or operate then it is pretty obvious the EU is pointless.
              Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

              Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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              • #8
                In the same Axios interview, Trump showed in more than one ways that he is willing to put Russia (and himself) first and America second. Here is another example:

                https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/29/russ...ghanistan.html

                When asked by the news site Axios about statements by a top U.S. commander that Russian was arming Taliban fighters who fought U.S. troops, Trump replied: “Well, we supplied weapons when they were fighting Russia, too.”

                Probably Trump counts (again) on getting a much needed help from Putin (again) to win the election, so he is willing to kiss Putin's ass up until at least November while the Russians arm the Taliban.
                Last edited by pamak; 30 Jul 20, 09:42.
                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


                  Agreed.
                  Who is going to invade germany anyway? The French?
                  Wouldn't the russians have to go through Poland first?


                  If the EU needs US troops in order to exist or operate then it is pretty obvious the EU is pointless.
                  Correct, the Russians would have to go through Poland and the rest of thoae former Pact countries before it invaded Germany.

                  NATO inherited multiple militaries that used to be aligned with Russia. It makes no sense to keep a large footprint in Germany today.
                  "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    Correct, the Russians would have to go through Poland and the rest of thoae former Pact countries before it invaded Germany.

                    NATO inherited multiple militaries that used to be aligned with Russia. It makes no sense to keep a large footprint in Germany today.
                    And trump has apparently moved more troops to Poland.
                    President Donald Trump welcomed Poland’s president to the White House on Wednesday, with a U.S. decision to send more American troops to Poland to bolster NATO’s eastern flank against Russian aggression at the top of the leaders’ agenda.
                    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...eastern-flank/

                    So the US is redeploying troops closer to the russian border, into a nation that is strongly anti-russian, that was formerly occupied by russian troops and somehow this is doing putin's bidding?


                    I guess the russian collusion hoax never really goes away does it.
                    Dem talking points are forever.
                    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                    • #11
                      Then please explain why Trump always does what Putin wants and is subservient to him. Or, are you just ignoring those uncomfortable facts and situations?
                      We are not now that strength which in old days
                      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        Then please explain why Trump always does what Putin wants and is subservient to him. Or, are you just ignoring those uncomfortable facts and situations?
                        putin wants US troops in Poland?

                        Well fancy that.

                        By the way, Russia is dependent on oil revenue.
                        It also tries to use its energy as a way to control european governments.
                        Trump greatly expanded fracking in the US to the point where we became an exporter nation.
                        Guess what that does to the price of russian oil and gas?


                        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-r...-idUSKBN2151VM

                        Covid also lowered energy prices, but the Russian government is heavily dependent on oil revenue and lower prices hit them hard and gave options to our allies.

                        If that is what Putin wants, he sure is dumb
                        Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                        Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post
                          Then please explain why Trump always does what Putin wants and is subservient to him. Or, are you just ignoring those uncomfortable facts and situations?
                          Did Putin want US troops to occupy Syria's oil fields? I'm pretty sure that is the last thing Putin wanted.

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                          • #14
                            You didn't answer the question. That's OK though, as it wasn't expected anyway.
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
                              The hyperbole was in the OP.
                              Nice dodge as to how Russia actually operates in Europe.

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