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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post

    As as been stated many times and backed by numerous studies. Children rarely get it. When they do it is usually minor, and they rarely pass it on. More children die from flu in a typical year than die from Covid. Which is why the professional bodies recommend that children go back to proper on site school. People forget that children can and do die from numerous causes. Minute risk from Covid is vastly outweighed by the cost of a lost education.
    You cannot get an education if you die from the virus. And children can be carriers and the schools are run by adults, and the childrens' families can also be affected.

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  • wolfhnd
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    This TDS thing needs to stop.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post

    On the contrary opening schools is advised by the APA. Closing schools harms children.
    Not as of four days ago. They have 'flipped' their position. Please try to keep up.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/american-...hool-reopening

    The American Academy of Pediatrics on Friday flipped its position on reopening schools in the fall, distancing itself from the Trump administration, which cited the organization's initial stance in order to bolster its push to reopen all K-12 brick and mortar schools.

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  • wolfhnd
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    Lots of countries must want to kill their children and teachers.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-it-s...es-11590928949

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

    How is that known?
    It has been stated by doctors involved with the pandemic.

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Actually that is one part we already know. We know it can happen as it already has happened in several cases. What we do not know is how often it happens. What conditions make it more likely or prevent it. But we know it can happen.
    A few people suffer long term effects from flu. Don’t stop children being educated because if it though.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    It is speculation.
    No, it is not speculation. We already know it can cause brain damage. That doesn't quite fix itself and will have long term effects. We don't know what other long term damage this disease can cause. We don't know if those long term effects actually affect children or not.
    We don't know the long term effects of the novel virus that has been around for less than a year.

    We wont know long term effects until 20 or more years in the future.
    This disease may have even more effects than just the ones know currently. So in that respect you are right on that part. However several long term effects have already been found - or rather damage caused by the infection which is long term damage. It may cause even more.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Actually that is one part we already know.
    It is speculation.

    We don't know the long term effects of the novel virus that has been around for less than a year.

    We wont know long term effects until 20 or more years in the future.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post
    We don't know that.
    Actually that is one part we already know. We know it can happen as it already has happened in several cases. What we do not know is how often it happens. What conditions make it more likely or prevent it. But we know it can happen.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Problem is that this disease can cause long term damage even in mild cases.
    We don't know that.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    Schools have returned throughout much of Europe. There have been no mass deaths or second waves etc. Use of the term 'Ginny pigs' is thus just scare mongering.
    Did any one apart from you yourself claim that there would need to be 'mass deaths' or 'second waves'? Problem is that this disease can cause long term damage even in mild cases.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    It is your own choice of course. https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/healt...iously-thought && https://scitechdaily.com/delirium-br...d-to-covid-19/ but i certainly would not dismiss that chance. Also to be clear even the AAP corrected their earlier statement https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-dire-warning/ - https://services.aap.org/en/news-roo...ool-this-fall/ And their later statement is not quite the same as which was referred previously and makes it clear that one-size-fits-all approach is not what is appropriate. And there is nothing wrong with that later statement.
    The AAP, in a joint statement with three large education organizations, emphasized that school reopening should be driven by science and safety—“not politics.”

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Yet it is known that this disease can cause lifelong issues. So using children as ginny pigs is fine for you?

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/over-...ovid-19-report ?
    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-dire-warning/ ?
    Schools have returned throughout much of Europe. There have been no mass deaths or second waves etc. Use of the term 'Ginny pigs' is thus just scare mongering.

    The below is the UK profession body. Multiple links on their site to the low risk to children. Article is from 100 plus paeditricians demanding that schools be reopened in the UK due to the harm it is causing.

    https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/news-events/...ols-re-opening

    'There is little doubt that the balance of risks for children and young people is that a return to school is in their best interests. Children and young people are the part of the population least affected by COVID-19 and their risks of contracting serious illness from COVID-19 are very low. Keeping children away from school brings significant risks to their health and wellbeing.'


    Last edited by Surrey; 15 Jul 20, 08:44.

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  • Nichols
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    We still don't know that for certain but there are indications that it is quite possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...d-19-infection

    Indications are that even in mild cases it can cause neurological damage - as the article so quaintly puts it: But there is no dialysis machine for the brain.

    So do you want to roll the dice? Or would you rather have your children to be ones who take the chance?
    The article points out mild symptoms in children. It then speculates about it crossing the blood brain barrier, no facts, just speculation.

    There are no known long term effects, only specultaion. We wont know the long term effects until a couple decades have passed..

    One thing we do know is that children are more resilient than adults.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by BorderRuffian
    Study of coronavirus cases among students in Sweden and Finland shows that only 15 were admitted to an ICU and there were no deaths (p9)-

    https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...d-children.pdf

    Conclusions (p14):
    • Closing of schools had no measurable effect on the number of cases of covid19 among children.
    • Children are not a major risk group of the covid-19 disease and seem to play a less important role from the transmission point of view, although more active surveillance and special studies such as school and household transmission studies are warranted.
    • The negative effects of closing schools must be weighed against the possible positive indirect effects it might have on the mitigation of the covid-19 pandemic.
    Yes and no. It is true that there was no meaningful difference between the groups. However couple of caveats... One, Finland did not fully close the schools. Daycare (kindergarten) was still working in Finland, pre-school was working in Finland, grades 1 through 3 were still working in Finland. There was strong recommendation that if at all possible the children should be at home however. But for the children of the critical workers and others who could not have or were unwilling to have children at home could do have their children to go to school/pre-school/daycare as well. Two, especially teens read the same news which reported that young and children were not at risk and there were several instances of the youth breaching the 10-person gathering rule, spending the time with friends at shopping malls or parks etc. So closing the schools didn't quite work with regards to limiting the contact. They openly stated as their reason for grouping together that they were safe from it. Which is not exactly true.

    What i mean is that while it was an experiment on closing the schools it was not really a one on social distancing.

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