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  • #16
    okay, should we start flagging every irrelevant post in order to keep this thread on track?

    Take your whataboutism nonsense in a different thread. Here we talk about a case where the beneficiary happens to be a person who was a dedicated Trump ally and a person who has not even served a single day in prison. Usually commuting involves convicted persons who have served some time in prison.
    My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Massena View Post
      Trump pardons Stone-the dynamic duo of the administration's corruption:

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

      President Trump commuted the sentence of his longtime friend Roger J. Stone Jr. on seven felony crimes on Friday, using the power of his office to help a former campaign adviser days before Mr. Stone was to report to a federal prison to serve a 40-month term.
      Continuing on from the biased op-ed piece of your link;
      ...
      In a lengthy statement released late on a Friday evening, the White House denounced the prosecution against Mr. Stone on what it called “process based charges” stemming from “the Russia Hoax” investigation. “Roger Stone has already suffered greatly,” the statement said. “He was treated very unfairly, as were many others in this case. Roger Stone is now a free man!”

      Punctuated by the same sort of inflammatory language and angry grievances characteristic of the president’s Twitter feed, the official statement assailed “overzealous prosecutors” working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and the “witch hunts” aimed at the president and his associates. It attacked the “activist juror” who led the panel that convicted Mr. Stone and went on to complain about the show of force used by federal law enforcement agents when he was arrested.

      “These charges were the product of recklessness borne of frustration and malice,” the statement said. “This is why the out-of-control Mueller prosecutors, desperate for splashy headlines to compensate for a failed investigation, set their sights on Mr. Stone.”

      The statement did not argue that Mr. Stone was innocent, only that he should not have been pursued. “The simple fact is that if the special counsel had not been pursuing an absolutely baseless investigation, Mr. Stone would not be facing time in prison,” it said.
      ...
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

      TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
      “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
      Present Current Events are the Future's History

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post

        To counter your left wing commentary that you believe.....]

        That's the logic a 6 year old would use.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Massena View Post

          Apparently, you cannot recognize corruption on its face.

          This is another result of the political corruption of the current administration-a good and loyal public servant being forced to retire from the US Army:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bu...?ocid=msedgdhp

          ‘Bullying, intimidation, and retaliation:’ Key impeachment witness Vindman retires

          NBC News‘Bullying, intimidation, and retaliation:’ Key impeachment witness Vindman retires

          Chris Hayes on Lt. Col. Vindman’s announcement that he is retiring from the Army: “Unfortunately this is Donald Trump's America, and this is what happens to people who tell the truth.”
          People I know whom have served with Vindman do not speak highly of his integrity (lack of is more correct). Supposedly he was more "political" than a military officer should be, and this before Trump became POTUS.
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
          “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
          Present Current Events are the Future's History

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jutland View Post


            That's the logic a 6 year old would use.
            Might explain why we hear such so often from those on the Left wing
            TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
            “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
            Present Current Events are the Future's History

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            • #21
              Thread title being vague and generic of sorts, until one does the click bait intended to see what OP was going for, we could inject that the USA is a Republic, not a Democracy; and this is another sign of corruption = abuse of power and/or ignoring the law, which might also lead to decline of our nation;

              BREAKING: Warrant Served On St. Louis Couple Who Defended Private Property, Rifle Confiscated, Report Says

              ...
              Law enforcement officials in St. Louis have allegedly served a warrant on the St. Louis couple who recently defended their home when a large mob of angry demonstrators allegedly trespassed onto their private property.

              “5 On Your Side has learned St. Louis police officers executed a search warrant Friday evening at the home of Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the Central West end couple who confronted protesters with weapons in June,” KSDK News reported. “Sources tell 5 On Your Side police seized one of the weapons, the rifle, from the couple and they told police their attorney has the pistol seen in photos.”
              ...
              Attorney Harmeet K. Dhillon responded to the news by tweeting, “Missouri is a Castle Doctrine state, permitted among the broadest latitudes of any state in using even deadly force to protect yourself or your property. This couple used NO force, despite the imminent threat from a trespassing mob. The seizure of weapons is government overreach.”
              ...
              The left-wing demonstrators returned to the couple’s home last week and were met by private security that was guarding the home.

              “When about 300 protesters returned Friday — holdings signs reading ‘Black Lives Matter. Period’ and ‘No Justice, No Peace’ — a more subdued Mark McCloskey could be seen peering out from his balcony while his wife appeared to be shooting video of the marchers on her mobile phone,” the New York Post reported. “The photos also show private security guards setting up barricades and securing the gate prior to Friday’s new demonstration.”

              Mark McCloskey, who guarded his private property with an AR-15, told a local news station following the incident, “We were threatened with our lives, threatened with the house being burned down, my office building being burned down, even our dog’s life being threatened. It was about as bad as you can get. You know, I really thought it was the storming of Bastille, that we would be dead and the house would be burned and there was nothing we could do about it. It was a huge and frightening crowd and they broke in the gate and they were coming at us.”
              ...
              St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kimberly Gardner, a Democrat, claimed that the McCloskey’s defending their private property was a “violent assault” and that authorities “will use the full power of Missouri law to hold people accountable.”

              Albert Watkins, the McCloskeys’ attorney, told Fox News that “If Kimberly Gardner wants to press charges against two attorneys who are protecting their home and their family and themselves on their own property, I will tell you that it will be nothing short of the proverbial cluster f***.”
              ...
              https://www.dailywire.com/news/break...urce=housefile
              TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
              “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz
              Present Current Events are the Future's History

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              • #22
                Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                Might explain why we hear such so often from those on the Left wing
                Great comeback.

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                • #23
                  'Unprecedented, historic corruption.'

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp


                  GOP senator says Trump commuting Stone was a 'mistake'

                  Mitt Romney calls Trump's Roger Stone commutation 'unprecedented, historic corruption'Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah, strongly criticized President Donald Trump's commutation for longtime friend and former campaign aide Roger Stone, calling it "unprecedented, historic corruption."
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #24
                    Around and around we go...

                    It would be funny if it wasn't so true...

                    The corruption at so many levels of government. By all parties. By all sides. It doesn't matter who's in power. Few have the courage to admit those they voted for are corrupt. It's always the other side who's corrupt. But corruption always wins because they keep getting voted in. What is gained by arguing over who is slightly less/more corrupt than the other? Why not vote for a significantly less corrupt candidate next time? But most likely that candidate is not part of a major party (because the major parties are themselves corrupt through and through), so there's no chance for any fleeting partisan 'pwns'. What's more important, partisanship or rooting out corruption? More often than not, those two options are mutually exclusive. At the very least, perhaps there's changes that could be made to the system to minimize corruption. But again, that would mean voting for non-major parties, because the major parties have a self-interest in maintaining the corrupt status quo, as they gain from it.

                    Keep voting for the same parties and we'll keep getting the same results. But few people are willing to vote outside 'their' party because there's always the chance that the 'other' voters will still vote for their party, and so they'll win and you'll lose. Do we really have a choice in who we vote for? It's a perpetual Prisoner's Dilemma...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Schmart View Post
                      Around and around we go...

                      It would be funny if it wasn't so true...

                      The corruption at so many levels of government. By all parties. By all sides. It doesn't matter who's in power. Few have the courage to admit those they voted for are corrupt. It's always the other side who's corrupt. But corruption always wins because they keep getting voted in. What is gained by arguing over who is slightly less/more corrupt than the other? Why not vote for a significantly less corrupt candidate next time? But most likely that candidate is not part of a major party (because the major parties are themselves corrupt through and through), so there's no chance for any fleeting partisan 'pwns'. What's more important, partisanship or rooting out corruption? More often than not, those two options are mutually exclusive. At the very least, perhaps there's changes that could be made to the system to minimize corruption. But again, that would mean voting for non-major parties, because the major parties have a self-interest in maintaining the corrupt status quo, as they gain from it.

                      Keep voting for the same parties and we'll keep getting the same results. But few people are willing to vote outside 'their' party because there's always the chance that the 'other' voters will still vote for their party, and so they'll win and you'll lose. Do we really have a choice in who we vote for? It's a perpetual Prisoner's Dilemma...
                      No problem by me with the way you present things, but I do disagree with your point about comparing who is more or less corrupt. If the choice for whatever wrongful reasons ends up to be between two politicians from two corrupt parties, then what is the alternative other than comparing their level of corruption and choose the least corrupt among the candidates?




                      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post

                        Semantics. The bottom line is that Trump let his 'buddy' off after being convicted of various felonies.
                        Its not "semantics."

                        Bottom line is there is a major difference between a 'pardon' as the OP claimed and a 'commuting' of a sentence.

                        The MSM does this, they title an article completely wrong to get attention and then bury the true facts in the article hoping the readers won't notice.
                        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                          Its not "semantics."

                          Bottom line is there is a major difference between a 'pardon' as the OP claimed and a 'commuting' of a sentence.

                          The MSM does this, they title an article completely wrong to get attention and then bury the true facts in the article hoping the readers won't notice.
                          If you actually click the msm link in the OP you will see that it directs you to the title

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

                          Trump Commutes Sentence of Roger Stone

                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by pamak View Post

                            If you actually click the msm link in the OP you will see that it directs you to the title
                            Read what I posted again.

                            You just backed up what I said.
                            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                              Read what I posted again.

                              You just backed up what I said.
                              I read what you posted.


                              You talked about the difference between a pardon and commuting a sentence and accused the MSM of confusing these two things in a misleading title. The link shows that your claim about the MSM is wrong and the title of the MSM link talks about commuting and not pardoning.
                              Last edited by pamak; 11 Jul 20, 18:28.
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pamak View Post
                                You talked about the difference between a pardon and commuting a sentence and accused the MSM of confusing these two things in a misleading title. The link shows that your claim about the MSM is wrong and the title of the MSM link talks about commuting and not pardoning.
                                Wrong again.

                                Read what I posted, if you dont understand ask for clarification but don't make false claims towards me.

                                Try again...
                                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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