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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post

    The SCOTUS still recognize that the Congress is a coequal branch and the president's position of absolute immunity which impedes ANY investigation by the Congress is extreme. The lower courts were instructed to proceed taking in consideration the above.
    Indeed, and it was correctly decided.
    However the lower court would still need to find a legitimate reason to demand the returns.

    Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
    Note that the Supreme Court also, 7 to 2, denied Congress (Pelosi Democrats) from getting his tax records. Only the prosecutors in the court case will eventually be allowed access. If they show up, it will be because State Prosecutors would have violated privacy laws by leaking the information to the Alphabet Media.
    Actually Pelosi & her apparatchiks COULD hypothetically demand to see the returns in the future, they just didn't show any legitimate legislative or oversight function for them to request them at this time.
    It's hard to see what need they would have, it's more appropriate for the IRS, FBI, or state law enforcement to investigate any hypothetical wrongdoing.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by SRV Ron View Post
    Note that the Supreme Court also, 7 to 2, denied Congress (Pelosi Democrats) from getting his tax records. Only the prosecutors in the court case will eventually be allowed access. If they show up, it will be because State Prosecutors would have violated privacy laws by leaking the information to the Alphabet Media.

    I do find it interesting on how we were not allowed to see requested information about Obama and the amount of money spent to keep secret his activities. There seemed to be no outrage by Democrats or the Obama Worshiping Media
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-a...its-last-year/
    No, it did not deny it in principle.

    It instructed the courts to proceed taking consideration both the fact that Congress is a coequal branch of government which can investigate issues and the fact that the Congress cannot just go out for a fishing expedition.

    In essence the court ruled that the position of BOTH parties (Congress with its intrusive demands and Executive Branch with its claim of absolute immunity) cannot be maintained.

    So, the SCOTUS decision on this issue is more like a compromise trying to legally satisfy both parties. Politically, of course, Trump got what he wanted and will manage to end his term without having his financial information revealed in public.
    Last edited by pamak; 10 Jul 20, 12:35.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by Freebird View Post

    Congress isnt an investigation and prosecution branch, they dont get to go fishing.

    Maybe when the Dems were in control they should have passed a law requiring disclosure.
    The SCOTUS still recognize that the Congress is a coequal branch and the president's position of absolute immunity which impedes ANY investigation by the Congress is extreme. The lower courts were instructed to proceed taking in consideration the above.

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  • SRV Ron
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    Note that the Supreme Court also, 7 to 2, denied Congress (Pelosi Democrats) from getting his tax records. Only the prosecutors in the court case will eventually be allowed access. If they show up, it will be because State Prosecutors would have violated privacy laws by leaking the information to the Alphabet Media.

    I do find it interesting on how we were not allowed to see requested information about Obama and the amount of money spent to keep secret his activities. There seemed to be no outrage by Democrats or the Obama Worshiping Media
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-a...its-last-year/

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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post
    The attempt by the Trump administration to promote an idea of imperial style presidency with absolute immunity fell flat and could not convince more than 2 judges. Alito and Thomas showed once more that they hold extremist judicial views which actually endanger the republic.

    Still, Trump accomplished one of his objectives: make sure that he can continue hide his financial dealings until well after the election.
    Congress isnt an investigation and prosecution branch, they dont get to go fishing.

    Maybe when the Dems were in control they should have passed a law requiring disclosure.

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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

    Must be something pretty bad in there if he's fighting this hard to keep them secret?
    Yep, he's a con-artist and a grifter.

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  • TactiKill J.
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    Originally posted by Freebird View Post
    Must be something pretty bad in there if he's fighting this hard to keep them secret?

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  • pamak
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    The attempt by the Trump administration to promote an idea of imperial style presidency with absolute immunity fell flat and could not convince more than 2 judges. Alito and Thomas showed once more that they hold extremist judicial views which actually endanger the republic.

    Still, Trump accomplished one of his objectives: make sure that he can continue hide his financial dealings until well after the election.

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  • Freebird
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    Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
    So how long till we get to see his taxes?
    hell-frozen.jpg

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  • Jutland
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    It's not like he promised he would release them....

    Oh wait he did.

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by craven View Post

    But if people supported Trumps immigration declaration of emergency because he has the power then they can not argue congress cant look at people tax returns.

    the law says they both can do it
    The right against unreasonable search and seizure was recognized as being so important that it was codified in the Bill of Rights.
    The "declaration of an emergency" doesn't directly affect any personal rights.

    The fact that one thing you might not like is legal doesn't compel us to accept all government action.
    My support for governmental action entirely depends on what the law says, not on who enacted it.

    Trump's declaration of an emergency is a procedural issue. Unreasonable search and seizure is an explicitly constitutional one.

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


    I'm assuming you are agreeing that the invasion of privacy isn't a good thing.
    I will further assume that you will accept that the tax returns will be "leaked" in 24 hours. (Which is the whole point)

    We don't have a final resolution on whether congress can get trump's returns just because they want them, but those who applaud the attempt to do so should recognize that congress won't limit its efforts to invade privacy to just trump.
    The court held he isn't immune.

    Even the CNN article implies this is just a fishing expedition to try and find something to go after trump.
    That is per se unconstitutional.
    But if people supported Trumps immigration declaration of emergency because he has the power then they can not argue congress cant look at people tax returns.

    the law says they both can do it

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by craven View Post

    The answer to your question is yes because that how the law reads. If Trump can declare the illegal immigration an emergency even though the law was not intended for that. But the law clearly states the president has sole power to declare anything an emergency Why cant congress see everyones taxes since the law says that it can.


    Does the law need to be modified probally but in it current form that what it says.

    I'm assuming you are agreeing that the invasion of privacy isn't a good thing.
    I will further assume that you will accept that the tax returns will be "leaked" in 24 hours. (Which is the whole point)

    We don't have a final resolution on whether congress can get trump's returns just because they want them, but those who applaud the attempt to do so should recognize that congress won't limit its efforts to invade privacy to just trump.
    The court held he isn't immune.

    Even the CNN article implies this is just a fishing expedition to try and find something to go after trump.
    That is per se unconstitutional.

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  • craven
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    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

    Then educate me.

    And how this is a loss:
    The Supreme Court blocked House Democrats from accessing Trump's financial records for now, sending the case back down to the lower court for further review.

    I do find it interesting that your own links admit that trump is not being prosecuted for anything.
    Is the invasion of privacy a good thing?
    Can the government invade anyone's privacy without bothering with a reason?
    The answer to your question is yes because that how the law reads. If Trump can declare the illegal immigration an emergency even though the law was not intended for that. But the law clearly states the president has sole power to declare anything an emergency Why cant congress see everyones taxes since the law says that it can.


    Does the law need to be modified probally but in it current form that what it says.

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Keep thinking that.
    Then educate me.

    And how this is a loss:
    The Supreme Court blocked House Democrats from accessing Trump's financial records for now, sending the case back down to the lower court for further review.

    I do find it interesting that your own links admit that trump is not being prosecuted for anything.
    Is the invasion of privacy a good thing?
    Can the government invade anyone's privacy without bothering with a reason?

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