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  • Trump is Having a Bad Day at the Supreme Court

    This ruling is a good thing...The bottom line is that Trump is not above the law.

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-20/index.html

    The Supreme Court issued rulings in two cases related to President Trump's financial records this morning.

    If you're just tuning in now, here's what you need to know about the rulings:
    • The case about House subpoenas: The Supreme Court blocked House Democrats from accessing Trump's financial records for now, sending the case back down to the lower court for further review.
    • The case about the New York subpoena: Justices ruled that the President is not immune from a subpoena for his financial documents from a New York prosecutor. This case was also sent to a lower court for further review.
    • What this means for Trump's financial records: Since the cases will be handled at lower courts, it all but ensures that Trump's financial documents — which he has long sought to protect — will not be handed over before the November presidential election.
    • How Trump is reacting: Trump has sent multiple tweets since the rulings were released. He claimed the court gave him a "delayed ruling" that they "never would have given" to another president. Remember: In both cases, both of Trump's appointees — Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh — joined the liberal justices and Chief Justice John Roberts on the 7-2 majorities.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    And Bunker Boy is whining just one more time...and Trump's two Supreme Court appointees voted against him.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp
    • President Donald Trump was furious over the Supreme Court's rulings Thursday morning, after justices handed down a split decision over whether he can shield his tax records from investigators.
    • Trump also complained that he was the victim of "political prosecution," although he is not, in fact, being prosecuted in either case.
    • The decisions handed a win to the Manhattan district attorney, but rejected parallel efforts by Democrats in the House of Representatives.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      And it's a win for the Manhattan DA...I guess that Article II of the Constitution does not allow the president to do anything he wants.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgntp

      Manhattan DA: Trump tax return ruling a 'tremendous victory' for justice system

      Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. on Thursday praised a Supreme Court ruling that upheld his office's subpoena of President Trump's tax returns, calling it a win for the U.S. justice system.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #4
        That's a bad day?


        It might not be a win, but it certainly isn't a loss.
        Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

        Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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        • #5
          So how long till we get to see his taxes?
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
            That's a bad day?


            It might not be a win, but it certainly isn't a loss.
            Keep thinking that.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Massena View Post

              Keep thinking that.
              Then educate me.

              And how this is a loss:
              The Supreme Court blocked House Democrats from accessing Trump's financial records for now, sending the case back down to the lower court for further review.

              I do find it interesting that your own links admit that trump is not being prosecuted for anything.
              Is the invasion of privacy a good thing?
              Can the government invade anyone's privacy without bothering with a reason?
              Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

              Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                Then educate me.

                And how this is a loss:
                The Supreme Court blocked House Democrats from accessing Trump's financial records for now, sending the case back down to the lower court for further review.

                I do find it interesting that your own links admit that trump is not being prosecuted for anything.
                Is the invasion of privacy a good thing?
                Can the government invade anyone's privacy without bothering with a reason?
                The answer to your question is yes because that how the law reads. If Trump can declare the illegal immigration an emergency even though the law was not intended for that. But the law clearly states the president has sole power to declare anything an emergency Why cant congress see everyones taxes since the law says that it can.


                Does the law need to be modified probally but in it current form that what it says.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by craven View Post

                  The answer to your question is yes because that how the law reads. If Trump can declare the illegal immigration an emergency even though the law was not intended for that. But the law clearly states the president has sole power to declare anything an emergency Why cant congress see everyones taxes since the law says that it can.


                  Does the law need to be modified probally but in it current form that what it says.

                  I'm assuming you are agreeing that the invasion of privacy isn't a good thing.
                  I will further assume that you will accept that the tax returns will be "leaked" in 24 hours. (Which is the whole point)

                  We don't have a final resolution on whether congress can get trump's returns just because they want them, but those who applaud the attempt to do so should recognize that congress won't limit its efforts to invade privacy to just trump.
                  The court held he isn't immune.

                  Even the CNN article implies this is just a fishing expedition to try and find something to go after trump.
                  That is per se unconstitutional.
                  Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                  Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post


                    I'm assuming you are agreeing that the invasion of privacy isn't a good thing.
                    I will further assume that you will accept that the tax returns will be "leaked" in 24 hours. (Which is the whole point)

                    We don't have a final resolution on whether congress can get trump's returns just because they want them, but those who applaud the attempt to do so should recognize that congress won't limit its efforts to invade privacy to just trump.
                    The court held he isn't immune.

                    Even the CNN article implies this is just a fishing expedition to try and find something to go after trump.
                    That is per se unconstitutional.
                    But if people supported Trumps immigration declaration of emergency because he has the power then they can not argue congress cant look at people tax returns.

                    the law says they both can do it

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by craven View Post

                      But if people supported Trumps immigration declaration of emergency because he has the power then they can not argue congress cant look at people tax returns.

                      the law says they both can do it
                      The right against unreasonable search and seizure was recognized as being so important that it was codified in the Bill of Rights.
                      The "declaration of an emergency" doesn't directly affect any personal rights.

                      The fact that one thing you might not like is legal doesn't compel us to accept all government action.
                      My support for governmental action entirely depends on what the law says, not on who enacted it.

                      Trump's declaration of an emergency is a procedural issue. Unreasonable search and seizure is an explicitly constitutional one.
                      Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                      Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                      • #12
                        It's not like he promised he would release them....

                        Oh wait he did.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
                          So how long till we get to see his taxes?
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                          • #14
                            The attempt by the Trump administration to promote an idea of imperial style presidency with absolute immunity fell flat and could not convince more than 2 judges. Alito and Thomas showed once more that they hold extremist judicial views which actually endanger the republic.

                            Still, Trump accomplished one of his objectives: make sure that he can continue hide his financial dealings until well after the election.
                            My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Freebird View Post
                              Must be something pretty bad in there if he's fighting this hard to keep them secret?
                              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
                              - Benjamin Franklin

                              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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