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  • Massena
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    And this isn't helping at all. Trump is not even attempting to control the virus in the US:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The June 28 email to the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was ominous: A senior adviser to a top Health and Human Services Department official accused the CDC of “undermining the President” by putting out a report about the potential risks of the coronavirus to pregnant women.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post
    And no up tick infections or mass death I take it. Sweden had their schools open through out. Norway closed theirs but are now regretting it and have since opened. The Swiss opened theirs a while ago and one of the more well known studies shows that it didn’t cause any disease spread. Even the Belgians, who won the Corona cup, have had their schools go back.
    For one, here the epidemic was reacted to. And schools didn't really open until the situation was well under control. So it rather tricky to compare to cases elsewhere. Here the rate was around 1 new infection per 100 000 people (i.e. a bit more than 50 per day in Finland) when the schools opened. Furthermore no one expected there to have been up tick of deaths from it. So it remains to be seen. I hope you have it right and I have it wrong.

    https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-11300232 (better Finnish language version)
    https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/c...order/11249610 (basic English language version)

    Here is something - comparison between Finnish and Swedish approaches (from the request of UNICEF) https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...d-children.pdf - fairly interesting. (Finnish language brief: https://thl.fi/fi/-/koulujen-ja-paiv...startuntoihin- )Though it has to be noted that Finland never went into full lockdown. No curfews or anything. And pre-schools and lowest schools grades remained open. So even during the height of the epidemic there were news reports of school kids spending time together in groups (kinda defeating the purpose of it in a sense). So it is not exactly a comparison between two extremes.

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  • SRV Ron
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    Schools will need to do the following before students are allowed back into them. They will have to subdivide the classrooms into individual "Learning Booths." (From the Panic Society.)

    The learning booth is designed as follows,


    1. A computer monitor is placed behind a special, super strong and soft screen. This protects the student from viewing the monitor too closely. (And protects the monitor from a destructive student).
    2. A video camera is also placed behind the screen. It allows two way communications with the teacher as well as videotaping the students behavior.
    3. An indestructible soft touch pad desk allows the student to input information into the learning computer.
    4. Students never handle any pencils, paper, books, rulers, scissors, pens, paperclips, rubber bands, scalpels or other such dangerous objects.
    5. Your kid is locked into the learning booth for the school day. Unauthorized persons cannot get at your kid to kill them, injure them, molest them, rob them, or sell drugs to them.
    6. The air-conditioned bulletproof, bombproof, soundproof, drug proof, fire proof, germ proof learning booth is padded all around and is small enough so your kid doesn't have the room to try to get injured in it.
    7. The booth is sterilized every night to protect your kid from any germs. (And clean it of any body fluids your kid decides to leave behind.)
    8. When you come to let your kid out, you will be provided with a record of your child's progress and behavior.
    9. A digital record is kept on everything that your kid does.
    10. Your kid is monitored for any signs of illness. The resident doctor will determine if this illness is real and notify you if you need to pick up your kid for a mandated two week quarantine of your family.
    11. Subject matters taught to students are very carefully controlled and monitored by a staff of far left experts. This staff is made up of National Education Association educators, Civil libertarians, atheist, civil rights activist, animal rights activists, environmental activist, and local democratic officials. They make sure that all material is kept void of any reference to sex, violence, race, creed, religion, Confederate symbols, creationism, Darwinism and conservative thought.
    12. And, of course, your kids are never allowed out of the booths where they could be exposed to the Cornovirus, gun toting crazies, drug pushers, rapists, kidnappers, molesting teachers, etc. until you come to personally escort them to their Safe Room of your own home.
    13. All kids are required to wear a super safe approved uniforms to school. All uniforms are of the same style and are colored eye rest green. It does not contain any loose items, zippers, pockets, or buttons that your kid might get injured on or swallow and choke on.
    14. There are no school lunches served. Students are not allowed to bring any food or drink with them. This eliminates any problem with kids loading up on those harmful fats, sugar, junk foods, and any possibility of choking to death on any foods or drink.
    15. School is held every day of the week weather permitting.
    16. Kids are not allowed to peddle overpriced candy and other fund raiser items.
    17. Kids cannot get together where they may get into fights, form gangs, peddle drugs, or disrupt other students.
    18. Kids are thoroughly searched by a robocop to be sure that they not wearing trench coats and are weapon and drug free before you lock them in the learning booth. They are randomly tested to see if they have been using drugs.
    19. All teen boys will be provided with a free condom when they leave the learning booth. All teen girls with their daily birth control pill.

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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by Surrey View Post

    And no up tick infections or mass death I take it. Sweden had their schools open through out. Norway closed theirs but are now regretting it and have since opened. The Swiss opened theirs a while ago and one of the more well known studies shows that it didn’t cause any disease spread. Even the Belgians, who won the Corona cup, have had their schools go back.
    The Belgian schools were never closed,but the lessons were suspended .

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    Here they were restarted but it has done very, very carefully and at very low infection rate. So the situation may not exactly be comparable. Upper secondary (grades after 9th) stayed fully in remote learning. This freed up enough space so that social distancing could be more easily achieved. Any flu-like symptoms in either students or their families lead to quarantines and any actual verified case lead to isolation. Any verified case also lead to quarantining the whole class - it happened few times in just couple of weeks the schools were open before the summer started (here school ends in the 1st week of June).
    And no up tick infections or mass death I take it. Sweden had their schools open through out. Norway closed theirs but are now regretting it and have since opened. The Swiss opened theirs a while ago and one of the more well known studies shows that it didn’t cause any disease spread. Even the Belgians, who won the Corona cup, have had their schools go back.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    Here they were restarted but it has done very, very carefully and at very low infection rate. So the situation may not exactly be comparable. Upper secondary (grades after 9th) stayed fully in remote learning. This freed up enough space so that social distancing could be more easily achieved. Any flu-like symptoms in either students or their families lead to quarantines and any actual verified case lead to isolation. Any verified case also lead to quarantining the whole class - it happened few times in just couple of weeks the schools were open before the summer started (here school ends in the 1st week of June).

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...e/schools.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/h...on-school.html
    https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...n-transmission

    The point they are making is the low amount of symptoms (as often only the symptomatic persons are primarily tested) gives a bias towards not testing the typically asymptomatic children leading to an appearance as if they would not have the disease. However that is not the case. And even asymptomatic persons can spread it. However there is not enough data for any definitive statement one way or the other as of now. It is just a difference between preparing for the worst and hoping for the best or just only hoping for the best.
    There have been no general increases in cases in countries where schools have gone back. Pretty much all of Europe has sent schools back to some degree and there have been no spikes.
    The evidence for asymptomatic transmission is limited and if there is any then it is low. See WHO comments.
    Below is the Royal College of Paediatrics statement on Covid. States and refers to multiple studies showing what I have stated about children and Covid - rarely catch it, virtually never die from it, rarely suffer from it and rarely pass it on.
    As I have stated above the American Academy of Pediatricians, like its British equivalent and like most child health professionals are advocating for a physical return to school of all children as soon as possible. Of note the AAP are not insisting on the 6' social distancing rules either.

    https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/co...s#epidemiology

    On a health issue effecting children the relevant experts are the paediatricians and those working in child health. They say it is fine for schools go physically go back.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...e/schools.html
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/h...on-school.html
    https://www.advisory.com/daily-brief...n-transmission

    The point they are making is the low amount of symptoms (as often only the symptomatic persons are primarily tested) gives a bias towards not testing the typically asymptomatic children leading to an appearance as if they would not have the disease. However that is not the case. And even asymptomatic persons can spread it. However there is not enough data for any definitive statement one way or the other as of now. It is just a difference between preparing for the worst and hoping for the best or just only hoping for the best.

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Vaeltaja View Post
    It is becoming increasingly worrying that it might be a bad idea to allow even children to have it. As said the disease can cause lasting damage to the persons lungs and nerve system even in mild cases. It is only 'safe' in the sense that they are unlikely to die from it now. They can however act as disease carriers very efficiently. You can have remote learning in most but the lowest grades. And those who can't do that for any reason should constitute a small enough group that can be handled at schools with increased separations.
    What evidence have you for children spreading the virus 'efficiently '? All the studies I have seen and this is reflevted in our national data, show that children rarely catch it, virtually never die from it, are not very sick from it and rarely pass it on.
    Last edited by Surrey; 10 Jul 20, 01:59.

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  • Vaeltaja
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    It is becoming increasingly worrying that it might be a bad idea to allow even children to have it. As said the disease can cause lasting damage to the persons lungs and nerve system even in mild cases. It is only 'safe' in the sense that they are unlikely to die from it now. They can however act as disease carriers very efficiently. You can have remote learning in most but the lowest grades. And those who can't do that for any reason should constitute a small enough group that can be handled at schools with increased separations.

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Why else? To protect both the students and the teachers and their families. Get a grip.

    And this from the CDC despite what Trump wants. Trump's ignorance and stupidity have already gotten people killed and now he does not care about the students and teachers and their families.

    I wonder if Trump is planning to send his son back to school? Somehow, I doubt it-unless he doesn't care about him either.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will not revise its guidelines for reopening schools despite calls from President Donald Trump and the White House to do so, agency Director Dr. Robert Redfield said Thursday.

    As anxious parents and educators across the country hand wring over how to safely bring children back to the classroom, the discord between Trump and his top health advisers over appropriate precautions has added another layer of uncertainty.

    The President, against the advice of some of the nation's top health officials, has repeatedly called for schools to reopen as coronavirus cases surge across the country.

    On Wednesday, while Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, warned that the country has to maintain control over the pandemic to get children back to school in the fall, Trump slammed the CDC's existing guidelines.
    As I have said the top pediatricians have called for schools to be reopened in full. Pediatricians are specialist child health doctors and are thus the most appropriate to advise what is or is not safe for children. There is minimal risk to children from Covid and children rarely spread it. Ordinary flu is more dangerous to children than Covid and no one closes schools because of flu.
    Clearly if some states do not intend to educate their children then it seems perfectly reasonable for the federal government to withhold any relevant funding it controls from those states. No point in spending taxpayers money for nothing.

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  • Cambronnne
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    If schools don't open than their financial needs are reduced, they become empty buildings, etc. So cut funding appropriately, by half at least. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for a nothing burger from "education".
    I agree. This really seems like a no brainer.
    How many people would agree to pay full tuition for an online course?
    Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for costs that are not being incurred?

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  • G David Bock
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    If schools don't open than their financial needs are reduced, they become empty buildings, etc. So cut funding appropriately, by half at least. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for a nothing burger from "education".

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  • Massena
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    Why else? To protect both the students and the teachers and their families. Get a grip.

    And this from the CDC despite what Trump wants. Trump's ignorance and stupidity have already gotten people killed and now he does not care about the students and teachers and their families.

    I wonder if Trump is planning to send his son back to school? Somehow, I doubt it-unless he doesn't care about him either.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...?ocid=msedgdhp

    The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will not revise its guidelines for reopening schools despite calls from President Donald Trump and the White House to do so, agency Director Dr. Robert Redfield said Thursday.

    As anxious parents and educators across the country hand wring over how to safely bring children back to the classroom, the discord between Trump and his top health advisers over appropriate precautions has added another layer of uncertainty.

    The President, against the advice of some of the nation's top health officials, has repeatedly called for schools to reopen as coronavirus cases surge across the country.

    On Wednesday, while Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, warned that the country has to maintain control over the pandemic to get children back to school in the fall, Trump slammed the CDC's existing guidelines.

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  • Surrey
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    Originally posted by Massena View Post

    Sorry, but unless you can back that up with factual material, it is merely a load of partisan garbage.
    Why else would they be seeking to try and delay the opening of schools? The AAP say it is fine and necessary so all states should be preparing to bring back schools for all children for next term if not before.

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