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    Many conservatives, especially, believe they are facing a revolution targeting the very foundations of American order. But when national institutions bow (or kneel) to the street fighters’ demands, it should tell us that something else is going on. We aren’t dealing with a Maoist or Marxist revolt, even if some protagonists spout hard-leftish rhetoric. Rather, what’s playing out is a counter-revolution of the neoliberal class — academe, media, large corporations, ‘experts’, Big Tech — against the nationalist revolution launched in 2016. The supposed insurgents and the elites are marching in the streets together, taking the knee together.

    They do not seek a radically new arrangement, but a return to the pre-Trump, pre-Brexit status quo ante which was working out very well for them. It was, of course, working out less well for the working class of all races, who bore the brunt of their preferred policy mix: open borders, free trade without limits, an aggressive cultural liberalism that corroded tradition and community, technocratic ‘global governance’ that neutered democracy and politics as such.

    Conservatives generally don’t tend to pay much attention to class analysis. But in this case, it does help to explain what’s going on. And it helps to illuminate the true nature of social movements that pose as, and can get mistaken for, revolutionary leftism.

    Does anyone seriously believe the American establishment — Walmart, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, the trustees of Ivy League universities, the major sports leagues, even Brooks Brothers, for God’s sake — would sign on to a movement that genuinely threatened its material interests?
    https://spectator.us/power-putsch-le...er-revolution/



  • #2
    All the isms are ****ed up, i am tired to read left, right, conservative, liberals, marxist, maoist bs. As long as people cant start to think outside of these empty words and talk about actual policies instead, nothing will change. People talking about marxism as if it were a thing in 2020, rediculous uneducated crap. Geez, this world really lacks proper intellectuals...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Judith View Post
      All the isms are ****ed up, i am tired to read left, right, conservative, liberals, marxist, maoist bs. As long as people cant start to think outside of these empty words and talk about actual policies instead, nothing will change. People talking about marxism as if it were a thing in 2020, rediculous uneducated crap. Geez, this world really lacks proper intellectuals...
      I am certainly prepared to listen to whatever insights you may have about the nature of the current protest movement in the US and other Western countries.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Skoblin View Post
        I am certainly prepared to listen to whatever insights you may have about the nature of the current protest movement in the US and other Western countries.
        Its pretty simple, if you ask for a good political system you have to ask for the purpose of a government. The answer is also very simple, regulation and distribution of power, so that exploitation of any individual is limited as far as possible. Therefor there has to be a new power factor to be added to the concept of separation of country and religion (the other fraction that had abused its power in history) and thats economy. As long as there are lobbyists allowed to shape policy, nothing will change.
        That is one part, the other important part is education. Education as a concept has to be newly understood as a lifelong experience to empower the individual. If you want to have a strong country, you will need strong people. So instead of having overblown social security sytems, there should be a system of constant education. So if you want to learn something or if you lost your job and need to get social securities people should be given the opportunity to develop a personality by learning stuff. It actually is not that important what people chose, but they should learn something instead of just sitting around and wait for a new job to arrive. So people should constantly be motivated to learn new skills. The more you are able to do, the more opportunities you will get. So i would fuse the education system with social security. Needless to say that education should not just be free, but promoted by your country.

        These two points would be the most important things to do.

        Concerning the US, free education and health care should really be a no brainer. We have systems like this around the world working at lower expenses already. Its a no brainer.
        Sadly i think that religion and maleducation is a huge roadblock in the US. People were trained to be consumers to a degree that would destroy any society. The debt spiral has turned totally out of control. If you continue to act like that, the world will drop the US once the new economic world order without the US is fully established. Your system is going to implode hard then. For you, only education and regulation can bring you back. What we saw under Trump, the isolationism, didnt work out in a globalized world of 2020. You have to play your cards smart and cautious, or you will be played.

        Religion on the other hand tought you to live in lies. The overblown moral expectations, make every human small. In this system all you can do is fail. Shame plays a huge role in this system of lies. So in order to free yourself from mental slavery, you need to get rid of all the religious crap that has been stuffed in your heads for centuries. The only way out of this misery is education.

        So coupling the educational system, aimed at people getting free and independent, to the social system would be the most important step in how to change for a solid future.

        The system you have now only knows slaves and slaveholders, thats why the antiracist movement is so strong right now. The rich own you and your brain, your thoughts. Thats what everyone feels inside but hasnt yet understood. Thats also where all the conspiracies, fears and insecurities stem from. The only answer? Correct, education. Make strong people not imbeciles.
        ​​
        I understand that religious people might feel uncomfortable with what i say, because church has such a high social function in american society, but to free yourself from living in constant lies, you have to free yourself from systematic suppression of your personality, sorry.

        ​​​
        Last edited by Judith; 05 Jul 20, 07:53.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Judith View Post

          Its pretty simple, if you ask for a good political system you have to ask for the purpose of a government. The answer is also very simple, regulation and distribution of power, so that exploitation of any individual is limited as far as possible. Therefor there has to be a new power factor to be added to the concept of separation of country and religion (the other fraction that had abused its power in history) and thats economy. As long as there are lobbyists allowed to shape policy, nothing will change.
          That is one part, the other important part is education. Education as a concept has to be newly understood as a lifelong experience to empower the individual. If you want to have a strong country, you will need strong people. So instead of having overblown social security sytems, there should be a system of constant education. So if you want to learn something or if you lost your job and need to get social securities people should be given the opportunity to develop a personality by learning stuff. It actually is not that important what people chose, but they should learn something instead of just sitting around and wait for a new job to arrive. So people should constantly be motivated to learn new skills. The more you are able to do, the more opportunities you will get. So i would fuse the education system with social security. Needless to say that education should not just be free, but promoted by your country.

          These two points would be the most important things to do.

          Concerning the US, free education and health care should really be a no brainer. We have systems like this around the world working at lower expenses already. Its a no brainer.
          Sadly i think that religion and maleducation is a huge roadblock in the US. People were trained to be consumers to a degree that would destroy any society. The debt spiral has turned totally out of control. If you continue to act like that, the world will drop the US once the new economic world order without the US is fully established. Your system is going to implode hard then. For you, only education and regulation can bring you back. What we saw under Trump, the isolationism, didnt work out in a globalized world of 2020. You have to play your cards smart and cautious, or you will be played.

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          Well, I suppose the most pertinent question is how one proposes to get to that sort of position from where the United States is now? These proposals seem obvious and indeed rational to most Europeans and not just Europeans. But Americans are not Europeans. The US has no history of social corporatism which is really presupposed in the notion of a state-sponsored constant education scheme. The US begins with the theory of possessive individualism - a body of thought that rejected previous corporatist notions that underscore European political phenomena from the feudal state, monarchy, and the Catholic church all the way to fascism and socialism in the 20th century. The idea of the state having some role in promoting the social good is generally viewed with suspicion, if not anathema, as an unwarranted extension of state power and a threat to liberty. And if anything, the US is moving further along this path and away from what exists in Europe - as far as education is concerned. Since Pappa Bush - and regardless whether the intervening administrations have been Democratic or Republican - the tendency has been towards greater privatisation of the education system with funds that used to go to public school systems being diverted to private education corporations - many with strong political connections (this is happening as well in some parts of Europe, but not to the same degree).

          The system you are proposing would encounter two major roadblocks in the US: education as a private choice and education establishments as a source of profit. First, a state-directed system of constant education would have to organise a large public-run education apparatus which would be vigorously opposed by the existing profit-seeking establishments, many of which have strong political friends and are interwoven with other powerful financial interests (this does not include problems that may arise between federal and state competency). And a public/private partnership would be a disaster for taxpayers, as these partnerships generally leave all the decisions in the hands of private entities with the state paying the tab. Second, most Americans would reject the notion of public authorities requiring them to learn a certain set of employment skills and there would be little point in expending the funds required for such a system of constant education if people were simply to learn whatever. As for learning something or being required to learning something instead of just waiting around to find a job, I think a lot of Americans in the rust-belt and former industrial areas especially are at the point of recognising the jobs are not coming in the first place, so what is the point of extending the effort and money to learn skills for which there are no relevant employment openings and which may become redundant in the interim.

          As for isolationism, I don't think Trump represents isolationism, in fact there has been nothing isolationist really about US trade and foreign policy under Trump. It is more unilateralism than isolationism. That said, the globalists do like to present things as if countries have only two options: full globalisation or complete isolation - there is no middle ground. They used the same tactics when the issue of free trade and open markets was being debated: the only choices - the globalists said - were completely open markets or a return to the restrictive trade policies that ushered in the depression. Well, that was a false choice then and it is a false choice now. In terms of trade, the third option was managed trade which existed under the old GATT framework for most of the postwar era until the arrival of the WTO; it was a system which allowed nations to protect certain industries and protect certain workers and - most importantly - confirmed national sovereignty rather than undermining it. And the same holds true now: a nation can still engage with the world yet affirm its own national interest without necessarily being isolationist.

          But this brings us back to the current movement and the article I attached above: that this movement is neoliberal and globalist. It is certainly not left-wing. You don't hear them talking about smashing banks and going after tax-dodging corporations (some Antifa do, of course, but these are the street level radicals). The ideological leaders are too focused on identity politics, on the progressive pigeon-holing of individuals into smaller and smaller categories, emphasising their differences rather than focusing on common interests.You will not have black, white, hispanic, and asian workers and middle classes coming together to challenge corporations and the corporate-dominated political parties, when they are too busy focused on gender and race. And this is how the corporations like it, this is how the elites like it; hence the steady stream of cash and words of encouragement by various corporations, wealthy elites, and establishment politicians.
          Last edited by Skoblin; 05 Jul 20, 10:12.

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          • #6
            Donald Trump exploited legitimate grievances that had been building and exploited divisions in society. He didn't fix either, he made them worse. United States has evolved into a corporatocracy even before Trump, and to me that is the biggest problem. Healing and uniting the country should be the first order of business, and campaign finance reform should be the second.

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            • #7
              This is not the first time that the US has had a virtual oligopoly in place.

              I guess some of the questions are:
              • What differences are there, if any, between today and the Gilded Age?
              • How did the country deal with the robber barons and would any of those methods be effective today?
              There are many steps that suggest themselves:
              1. Repeal the Citizen's United decision and place strict limits on political campaign contributions
              2. Introduce laws preventing the revolving door between political office and the corporate world
              3. Place restrictions on lobbying and lobby groups
              4. Re-institute many/all of the weakened anti-trust laws and actually enforce them
              5. Re-institute many/all of the weakened collective bargaining laws and actually enforce them
              6. ......
              The problem is that most/all of these can, and will, be spun as "anti-freedom" or "socialism". I do not believe that people, in general, understand just how good the corporate world has become at throwing up FUD, doubt, and delay in the face of any action that it perceives to be a threat to its bottom line. They have political power, "product defense" consultants, money, and knowledge of how the government regulatory system works and they know how to disrupt it.

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              • #8
                The purpose of central government is primarily defense. Defense against foreign intrusion and economic exploitation, defense of commerce between the States, defense of the Bill of Rights if the States intrude on those rights, defense of the money supple through monetary policy, so on and so forth.

                It is easy to be confused over what are the foundations of civilization and what are trappings.

                Civilization first arose in the harsh but stable land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Most likely by people pushed to this marginal natural landscape by more powerful hunter gathers. In this landscape the only way to survive was agriculture. Civilization was an accident of adaptation like any other evolved system.

                Agricultural and control of water is the seed of and foundation for civilization. This is as true today as it was for Sumer.

                Humans having evolved for a easy but unstable environment the instinct for fairness is perfectly adapted. In a world where no production or strict protection of resources is required, the world before agriculture and civilization, equal or nearly equal distribution increased fitness for a foraging social ape. If resources became depleted the group would just move on. Agriculture changed all that. So did the pastoral lifestyle to a lesser extent but that us another story.

                Agriculture meant that the abandonment of a field or failure to strictly protect it became suicidal. The concept of property rights became essential as did the inequitable distribution of those rights based on competence.

                In such a harsh but stable environment hating those that threaten property became a survival mechanism. Wondering tribes could afford to be more ecumenical towards strangers. Defense in this light can be seem as a protector of civilization. It coops anger to induce diligent defense. It also enhances group selection in an artificial environment.

                All the things general associated with civilization such as art, literature, music, architecture are just trappings. They were made possible by the excess production of agriculture and the ability for individuals to specialize. These things do not exist to any extent without the stability of a well organized defense. Well organized being the well spring of all management.

                As it relates to the topic at hand it is the concept of management that is central. A society cannot function without voluntary submission to management. Management within the framework of a competency hierarchy.

                Capitalism and it's role in liberal democracy is generally misunderstood. Capitalism should be thought of more of as a management system than purely limited to "economics". It encourages a slow lifestyle.

                Civilization arises out of a harsh but stable environment that requires a slow lifestyle. A lifestyle of competent planning and forbearance, of strict cooperation and imagination, of competition to assure competence, the observation of law not fairness as is otherwise instinctually understood. Capitalism is the means by which voluntary compliance with an unnatural slow lifestyle is achieved most effectively.

                The same kind of slow lifestyle necessary to survive in a capitalist environment also makes responsible representative government possible. It requires the same ability to forego immediate gratification. It requires voluntary compliance with the principles of a slow lifestyle.

                The globalist, corporatists, socialists and libertarians are at odds with the requirements for the kind of competitive cooperation that makes the game of liberal democracy possible.



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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                  This is not the first time that the US has had a virtual oligopoly in place.
                  You bring up some good points/questions.

                  I think many of those points would fall into place if we applied term limits to all political positions.
                  "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Judith View Post

                    Its pretty simple, if you ask for a good political system you have to ask for the purpose of a government. The answer is also very simple, regulation and distribution of power, so that exploitation of any individual is limited as far as possible. Therefor there has to be a new power factor to be added to the concept of separation of country and religion (the other fraction that had abused its power in history) and thats economy. As long as there are lobbyists allowed to shape policy, nothing will change.
                    That is one part, the other important part is education. Education as a concept has to be newly understood as a lifelong experience to empower the individual. If you want to have a strong country, you will need strong people. So instead of having overblown social security sytems, there should be a system of constant education. So if you want to learn something or if you lost your job and need to get social securities people should be given the opportunity to develop a personality by learning stuff. It actually is not that important what people chose, but they should learn something instead of just sitting around and wait for a new job to arrive. So people should constantly be motivated to learn new skills. The more you are able to do, the more opportunities you will get. So i would fuse the education system with social security. Needless to say that education should not just be free, but promoted by your country.

                    These two points would be the most important things to do.

                    Concerning the US, free education and health care should really be a no brainer. We have systems like this around the world working at lower expenses already. Its a no brainer.
                    Sadly i think that religion and maleducation is a huge roadblock in the US. People were trained to be consumers to a degree that would destroy any society. The debt spiral has turned totally out of control. If you continue to act like that, the world will drop the US once the new economic world order without the US is fully established. Your system is going to implode hard then. For you, only education and regulation can bring you back. What we saw under Trump, the isolationism, didnt work out in a globalized world of 2020. You have to play your cards smart and cautious, or you will be played.

                    Religion on the other hand tought you to live in lies. The overblown moral expectations, make every human small. In this system all you can do is fail. Shame plays a huge role in this system of lies. So in order to free yourself from mental slavery, you need to get rid of all the religious crap that has been stuffed in your heads for centuries. The only way out of this misery is education.

                    So coupling the educational system, aimed at people getting free and independent, to the social system would be the most important step in how to change for a solid future.

                    The system you have now only knows slaves and slaveholders, thats why the antiracist movement is so strong right now. The rich own you and your brain, your thoughts. Thats what everyone feels inside but hasnt yet understood. Thats also where all the conspiracies, fears and insecurities stem from. The only answer? Correct, education. Make strong people not imbeciles.
                    ​​
                    I understand that religious people might feel uncomfortable with what i say, because church has such a high social function in american society, but to free yourself from living in constant lies, you have to free yourself from systematic suppression of your personality, sorry.

                    ​​​
                    So ban religion, do away with private property, government run healthcare, Stalin would be proud Comrade
                    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                    • #11
                      Governments are crated to handle the affairs of state on behalf of the people. It is not their function to "regulate and distribute power" - the people decide that.

                      The original government of America had only a few duties: treaties, trade agreements,diplomatic relations and the maintenance of a small standing army for defensive purposes. All of the rest the government took for itself over the centuries until it is the overwhelming behemoth that it is today.

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                      • #12
                        @ #10 :

                        Wow. Pavlov strikes again. Too bad. Putting words in someone else's mouth.

                        Where did he say that?
                        "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                          So ban religion, do away with private property, government run healthcare, Stalin would be proud Comrade

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                          • #14
                            I must say, I am enjoying the exchange between Skob and Judith

                            We don't see enough of this here.

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                            • #15
                              Six Weeks, Six Cities, 600 Murders

                              ...
                              The single most important issue, affecting some of the largest swaths of populations in America, is the scandal the media ignores even as it explodes in our faces.

                              In only six weeks, city after city operated by entrenched Democrats have seen a massive expansion in lawlessness, violence, and murder. Stunningly, many news outlets seem gobsmacked and mystified at how or why such an explosion of lawlessness has occurred.

                              For the sake of brevity, let’s sample six of the nation’s largest cities, including all of the top three.
                              ...
                              So why did all of these cities take such violent turns? Is it because their leadership capitulated to the anger of the mobs as opposed to thinking clearly and strategically about an effective response?

                              Or do these Democrat-run towns literally operate with denial in good and evil?

                              How else can you explain that in the city of Minneapolis (where a nation watched in horror and subsequently responded to the murder of an innocent man) that within 30 days they would record 1,600 shots fired? But then respond by voting to dismantle its police operations all together?

                              The single most important threat to our nation at this moment are Democrats who are voting in favor of eliminating law enforcement and who are by extension responsible for the greater and greater increase in the loss of life.

                              They are allowing Marxists and Anarchists to create complete chaos and disorder. They also seem utterly unconcerned about any lives mattering, black or white.

                              They appear to be holding on to an idea that they are not impacted by the scum and villainy at play under their jurisdiction.
                              ...
                              https://townhall.com/columnists/kevi...recip=22103820
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