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    Some of the Lakota and their supporters are blocking roadways leading to the Mount Rushmore event that President Trump will be hosting. As someone who did not vote for Trump I see this for what it is..Its people in the wrong the Lakota and their supporters who are making that old argument that there land was taken from them and it is somehow still theirs even though this country is the United States of America. Now it’s not all the Lakota ...some of the Lakota might even be Trump supporters and disagree with the folks blocking the roadway.

    We see this problem throughout America, Canada and Mexico where people tribal and their supporters insult the great empires of history Whether the Spanish empire or the French empire. It’s very aggravating because The vast majority of Americans whether they be of Irish, English, Italian, tribal background respect each other but then we have these selective people who complain about history about how their land was “stolen” from them and they are somehow entitled to reparations or something similar.

    In truth of all of human history lands have changed hands..The United States is a free and equal country for all of its inhabitants so there’s no need for reparations there’s no need for so-called native reservations. The Lakota folks that are blocking the roadway for the Fourth of July event hosted by Trump need to get out of the way because they are being immature and in the wrong.
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    The claim that the land is somehow still “theirs” always fascinates me for its hypocrisy and ignorance.
    Indians took land from each other long before whites moved in. That’s because Indians were and are, normal human beings with the same motivations as any other human beings.

    So the whites took the land from Indians who took it from other Indians. How far back do we go to decide whose land it really is?
    Can we demand the return of Istanbul to the Roman Empire while we are at it?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
      How far back do we go to decide whose land it really is?
      The Jews in Israel set the new standard in that regard.

      6000 years apparently
      Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

      Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

        The Jews in Israel set the new standard in that regard.

        6000 years apparently
        Part of my family tree is German, another part Polish. They have repeatedly stolen each other's land for centuries.

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        • #5
          Haven't we all

          Now if the Lakota were to scalp Trump, and take his wives and cattle,

          that would be news.
          Lambert of Montaigu - Crusader.

          Bolgios - Mercenary Game.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
            Haven't we all

            Now if the Lakota were to scalp Trump, and take his wives and cattle,

            that would be news.
            I would pay good money to see that. Much more entertaining than most of the recent offerings on Netflix

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
              Haven't we all

              Now if the Lakota were to scalp Trump, and take his wives and cattle,

              that would be news.
              Even better news would be Trumpet inviting Sir Winston Boris to ride on the doomed wagon train!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                The claim that the land is somehow still “theirs” always fascinates me for its hypocrisy and ignorance.
                Indians took land from each other long before whites moved in. That’s because Indians were and are, normal human beings with the same motivations as any other human beings.

                So the whites took the land from Indians who took it from other Indians. How far back do we go to decide whose land it really is?
                Can we demand the return of Istanbul to the Roman Empire while we are at it?
                That would be the Eastern Roman Empire since when Constantinople fell in 1453 the western Roman Empire had been gone for nearly 1,000 years. It should be noted, however, that the Eastern Romans considered themselves Romans. The 'Byzantine' Empire never existed as the Eastern Roman Empire was labeled that by a German historian in the 16th century, long after Constantinople had fallen.
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                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                  Haven't we all

                  Now if the Lakota were to scalp Trump, and take his wives and cattle,

                  that would be news.
                  There might now be an informal Lakota rite of manhood where some dudes form a human chain, and the guy at the end – who really has to have a bladder of steel – then takes a leak in George Washington's face.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post

                    That would be the Eastern Roman Empire since when Constantinople fell in 1453 the western Roman Empire had been gone for nearly 1,000 years. It should be noted, however, that the Eastern Romans considered themselves Romans. The 'Byzantine' Empire never existed as the Eastern Roman Empire was labeled that by a German historian in the 16th century, long after Constantinople had fallen.
                    And the Eastern Roman Empire was originally part of the Roman Empire.
                    I was trying to go all the way back , not to just when Constantinople fell.
                    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post

                      The Jews in Israel set the new standard in that regard.

                      6000 years apparently
                      Exactly.
                      When there are fights over who owns the land most people only go back to a point where it is convenient. And do not consider who was there before that point.
                      At least the Jews have a written record.
                      Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                      Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                        And the Eastern Roman Empire was originally part of the Roman Empire.
                        I was trying to go all the way back , not to just when Constantinople fell.
                        Yes, but they remained in existence for 1,000 years after Rome fell and became the bulwark for western Europe against any and all who tried to invade. Without them, the peoples of western Europe would not have developed into the nations of western civilization.

                        They were an empire that continued to develop after Rome fell and developed an outstanding army based on the armored horse archer and a navy that dominated the Mediterranean.
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
                          Some of the Lakota and their supporters are blocking roadways leading to the Mount Rushmore event that President Trump will be hosting. As someone who did not vote for Trump I see this for what it is..Its people in the wrong the Lakota and their supporters who are making that old argument that there land was taken from them and it is somehow still theirs even though this country is the United States of America. Now it’s not all the Lakota ...some of the Lakota might even be Trump supporters and disagree with the folks blocking the roadway.

                          We see this problem throughout America, Canada and Mexico where people tribal and their supporters insult the great empires of history Whether the Spanish empire or the French empire. It’s very aggravating because The vast majority of Americans whether they be of Irish, English, Italian, tribal background respect each other but then we have these selective people who complain about history about how their land was “stolen” from them and they are somehow entitled to reparations or something similar.

                          In truth of all of human history lands have changed hands..The United States is a free and equal country for all of its inhabitants so there’s no need for reparations there’s no need for so-called native reservations. The Lakota folks that are blocking the roadway for the Fourth of July event hosted by Trump need to get out of the way because they are being immature and in the wrong.
                          Ever hear of the First Amendment? You know, the whole freedom of speech, expression, etc.? You've turned into quite the fascist.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post
                            The claim that the land is somehow still “theirs” always fascinates me for its hypocrisy and ignorance.
                            Indians took land from each other long before whites moved in. That’s because Indians were and are, normal human beings with the same motivations as any other human beings.

                            So the whites took the land from Indians who took it from other Indians.
                            I've never understood the whole Indian "we're Americans when it suits us but we're a separate nation when we want to be" thingy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                              Exactly.
                              When there are fights over who owns the land most people only go back to a point where it is convenient. And do not consider who was there before that point.
                              At least the Jews have a written record.
                              Yes, and the written record is that they took it from the Philistines..

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