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  • Hillary Clinton - Whats the issue?

    I always wondered, whats the thing here why is she of such an importance? In the election thread Rojik wrote:

    "I’m not a Trump hater. Yes I find him a buffoon, and a bad choice, but I would still rather him than Hillary. A buffoon is bad but someone that didn’t have the balls to concede gracefully, and then wrote that horrible book blaming the voters would have been ten times worse. At least with Donnie his mistakes are transparent. Her’s would only be seen long after a correction was impossible."

    Its 2020 now, Hillary is not up to vote, why is she so important to so many guys? Where does all the hate come from? Is it because her fake smile remembers some of their mothers or is it something else? I really dont get it.

  • #2
    While I think your question is reasonable, in order to fully answer it and adequately support what I have to say would take pages and pages text.

    Hillary has been on the political stage for about 30 years. In that time Americans have gotten a good chance to know her. We have had the chance to see what a lying hypocrite she actually is.
    My opinion as to her dishonesty isn’t based on my political point of view as it seems to be the opinion most Americans have of her. There was a study a few years ago where people were asked the word that they felt Best described Hillary. I think 70-80% used a word that was a form of “dishonest”.

    When the Monica lewinsky scandal broke and other women accused Bill Clinton of assault, Hillary was on the front line trashing the women. When it became convenient to join the “Metoo” movement, she proudly proclaimed “believe all women”, when questioned about the accusations against her husband it was obvious that “believe all women” didn’t apply when inconvenient.

    Even the left wing publication Vox has trouble with Hillary’s hypocrisy
    https://www.vox.com/2018/10/15/17978...sconduct-metoo



    Over the years, Hillary has made it clear she despises people Who are beneath her and we are only returning the sentiment.
    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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    • #3
      There is also the issue of frequent deaths surrounding her activities, the Epstein sham being one of the most flagrant, her illegal server packed with classified documents, the Benghazi murders and a host of other crimes.

      Clinton is the poster girl for "sociopath".
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        There is also the issue of frequent deaths surrounding her activities, the Epstein sham being one of the most flagrant, her illegal server packed with classified documents, the Benghazi murders and a host of other crimes.

        Clinton is the poster girl for "sociopath".
        Make that "sociopath politician".

        Her biggest gaffe was the "basket of deplorables" comment which alienated about half or more of the nation/voters, and ironically her supporters and those whom voted for her "didn't get it"(see why it would offend). ...
        ... sort of like her predecessor's "clinging to their guns and bibles" snarky comment.

        Collectively illustrating how "out of touch" many on the Left and in the Democrat Party are, how little they understand and can relate with much of America/Americans.

        Many of us don't want them to "feel your(our) pain", but rather to stop causing our pain.
        TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
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        • #5
          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

          Make that "sociopath politician".
          Are you referring to Trump once again...?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Massena View Post

            Are you referring to Trump once again...?
            In 4 years, Trump accumulated more scandals and controversies that Hillary did in 30 years


            Originally posted by Mountain Man
            There is also the issue of frequent deaths surrounding her activities, the Epstein sham
            And Epstein was killed in a federal prison on Trump's watch...love how conspiracy theorists ignore such things. The real frequent deaths are from the coronavirus which surround Trump's pathetic response
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Judith View Post
              I always wondered, whats the thing here why is she of such an importance? In the election thread Rojik wrote:

              "I’m not a Trump hater. Yes I find him a buffoon, and a bad choice, but I would still rather him than Hillary. A buffoon is bad but someone that didn’t have the balls to concede gracefully, and then wrote that horrible book blaming the voters would have been ten times worse. At least with Donnie his mistakes are transparent. Her’s would only be seen long after a correction was impossible."

              Its 2020 now, Hillary is not up to vote, why is she so important to so many guys? Where does all the hate come from? Is it because her fake smile remembers some of their mothers or is it something else? I really dont get it.
              I will give you what I know about how this hate started.

              Hillary did two things that infuriated conservatives

              1. She tried in the 1990s to create a momentum for "socialist healthcare". This is an unforgivable sin

              2. She challenged the stay at home conservative ladies who thought that the place of the woman is to be in the kitchen and in the bedroom. She presented a case of a business woman with a career...
              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by pamak View Post

                I will give you what I know about how this hate started.

                Hillary did two things that infuriated conservatives

                1. She tried in the 1990s to create a momentum for "socialist healthcare". This is an unforgivable sin

                2. She challenged the stay at home conservative ladies who thought that the place of the woman is to be in the kitchen and in the bedroom. She presented a case of a business woman with a career...
                Let's not forget how she "savaged" (former Pres Clinton press secretary George Stephanopoulos' word, not mine) her husband's many paramours yet still maintained the pretense of being a feminist....

                My animus towards the Clinton's is personal: they pardoned a convicted felon in exchange for a million dollar gift -- and the guarantee of the donor's ex-wife's freedom to go on shtupping Bill by railroading the ex-wife's then-current boyfriend: they planted his ass in Federal stir for six years. That's as sleazy as it gets.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by pamak View Post

                  In 4 years, Trump accumulated more scandals and controversies that Hillary did in 30 years
                  But not more dead bodies linked to, like the Clinton's. Certainly no "Benghazi"s.

                  Please consider documenting the list of those four year "scandals and controversies".

                  Originally posted by pamak View Post
                  And Epstein was killed in a federal prison on Trump's watch...love how conspiracy theorists ignore such things.
                  Lots of people die in federal prisons under any given POTUS' "watch", and few if any have a valid "conspiracy theorists" link. Though in Epstein's case this might be another of the "mysterious deaths" with a Clinton link.

                  Originally posted by pamak View Post
                  The real frequent deaths are from the coronavirus which surround Trump's pathetic response
                  There's about 60 major other causes of death prior to and still in play along with coronavirus - which originated in China and was not properly contained nor reported on by China (or WHO) until weeks too late and after hundreds of thousands had passed to and from China to spread another major disease(pandemic) once again coming from that part of the world(Nation).

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                  • #10
                    For those foreigners who are not very familiar with what I am saying, here is one article regarding the second point I mentioned

                    From March 1992

                    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...9802987a938380



                    Asked about the allegations involving her law firm, Hillary Clinton responded with a frustrated, sarcastic comment.

                    “I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfil my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life,” she said.

                    The reaction was swift, passionate and deeply polarised. Many women were thrilled and inspired by Clinton’s decision to spurn the traditional “politician’s wife” role and pursue her own career. Others took her comment as a condescending slap in the face.

                    “If I ever entertained the idea of voting for Bill Clinton, the smug bitchiness of his wife’s comment has nipped that notion in the bud,”
                    one voter told TIME Magazine at the time. “I resent the implication that those of us who stay home just bake cookies. We hardly have the time!”

                    “I was ready to like her. Not now ... after what she said ... she obviously doesn’t have respect for what I do,” another voter told CBS.


                    Culture wars about the "proper" role of a woman have been going on and Hillary's comment was seen as the equivalent of those comments that diminish the opposing culture best represented by conservative icons like Phyllis Schlafly

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly

                    She held conservative social and political views, opposed feminism and abortion, and successfully campaigned against ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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                    • #11
                      And regarding my first point, here is a link for a start

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinto...e_plan_of_1993

                      The Clinton health care plan was a 1993 healthcare reform package proposed by the administration of President Bill Clinton and closely associated with the chair of the task force devising the plan, First Lady of the United StatesHillary Clinton.

                      The task force was created in January 1993, but its own processes were somewhat controversial and drew litigation. Its goal was to come up with a comprehensive plan to provide
                      universal health care for all Americans, which was to be a cornerstone of the administration's first-term agenda.

                      So, basically Hillary not only challenged (better say ridiculed) the housewife lifestyle that was considered the "moral" choice by many conservatives believing in traditional "family values" but she started her political career as a female version of "Kushner," getting (because of family connection) the clearance from the president (Bill) to get involved in the veryyyyyy hot issue of social healthcare.


                      If Obama took **** for pushing "social healthcare" one can imagine the situation with a non-elected woman who was also challenging the traditional feminine roles that so many admirers of conservative icons like " Phyllis Schlafly" (mentioned above) cherished. So, from the beginning of her political career Hillary was seen as a very serious threat and anything she did was magnified out of proportions.

                      Last edited by pamak; 02 Jul 20, 15:37.
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                      • #12
                        Finally, Hillary was the wife of a very popular Democrat, so the threat of her exploiting the appeal of her husband to become president was real. We all remember how Michelle Obama became the target of cruel and often racist comments by conservatives even though her participation in politics was limited to secondary things like promoting healthy nutrition and she never indicated any ambition for pursuing a political career. If anything, the picture was that Obama pursued his career despite Michelle's hesitations. . With Hillary, the stakes were much higher and her political ambitions were obvious. As a result the response to whatever Hillary did reached a totally different level.

                        The rest is just excuses. Hillary can be accused of many things but nothing came close to starting deliberately or mistakenly a stupid war in Iraq. And any failure of preventing unnecessary deaths by taking additional security measures in the Benghazi incident does not come even close to the failure of preventing deaths by failing to take security measures against the pandemic.
                        Last edited by pamak; 02 Jul 20, 16:00.
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                        • #13
                          Back when the Clintons started running for President, I was cool with the idea. After all FDR had a politically active wife in Eleanor, but FDR did not let Eleanor run any of her ideas if he thought they were not doable. I remember thinking that Hilary was overrated as a political factor. The more I read about her the more it seemed I was mistaken. People kept warning the Clintons were a partnership.

                          I was wrong. Hilary is the more dangerous of the two. Bill could be diverted with skirt chasing, but not Hilary. After four years I had had enough. She is dangerous!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Massena View Post

                            Are you referring to Trump once again...?
                            No, I was referring to the majority of offerings from the Democrats of the past 40 +/- years ...
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                            “War is merely the continuation of politics by other means” - von Clausewitz

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

                              But not more dead bodies linked to, like the Clinton's. Certainly no "Benghazi"s.

                              The 128,000 dead from COVID-19 might trump Clinton's supposed body count.
                              Even if only say he's responsible for a portion of the body county it's still by far a Trumpian body count compared to your conspiracy theory body count.
                              Conservatives in the U.S. won't be happy until Jim Crow returns and "White Heterosexual Only" signs are legalized.

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