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  • There are Polls, and then there are Polls...

    Trump is unhappy as he is trailing Biden in the polls...cry me a river. One American News is a joke and a fanatical right wing organization.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    CNN’s release of a poll this week showing President Trump trailing former vice president Joe Biden by 14 points nationally clearly rattled the president and his reelection campaign. In short order, Trump tweeted out a memo making various allegations about how and why CNN conducted the poll, each assertion ludicrous and easily debunked. On Wednesday, the campaign escalated its efforts to portray CNN’s poll as unfair, demanding that CNN retract the poll and issue an apology.

    CNN’s attorneys, with complete and understandable justification, declined to do so.

    The network is one of Trump’s most frequent targets for criticism. He has repeatedly bashed CNN’s reporting and on-air talent, disparaging the network as hopelessly biased against him. Trump’s taste in television coverage runs more along the lines of Fox News’s Sean Hannity, a fervent supporter of the president, and, in recent months, One America News.

    OAN is a small network, clearly seeking to make its name in part by promising endlessly obsequious coverage of the president. The network has often explicitly asked Trump to watch it instead of Fox, as chief executive Robert Herring did Wednesday.

    Trump does watch. It was an OAN report about the protester in Buffalo who was injured by police that prompted Trump to speculate wildly that the elderly man who suffered a head injury had faked his fall in service to a murky network of left-wing anarchists.

    Herring defended that report Thursday, writing on Twitter that his network had “put out our facts” on the incident, while the mainstream media hadn’t done so. There is no evidence for the claims made in the report, though OAN reporter Kristian Rouz did certainly offer up some allegations.

    That tweet was followed up with another attempt to goad the mainstream media.

    Herring had on Wednesday pledged an upcoming poll, as the Trump campaign’s feud with CNN over its national poll was heating up. He promised that OAN would be “releasing a poll concerning the 2020 presidential race” that “looks as though it will be in favor of” the president.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Trump is unhappy as he is trailing Biden in the polls...cry me a river. :
    Sounds like history repeating itself.....2016 all over again.
    "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nichols View Post

      Sounds like history repeating itself.....2016 all over again.
      Clinton isn't running
      "Ask not what your country can do for you"

      Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

      you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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      • #4
        Female groper and molester "quid-pro-quo" Joe Biden looks to be the Dem choice, so not much better, if any at all, alternate to Clinton in 2016.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          ...CNN's release of a poll...
          Yawn....

          Remember those Podesta emails back in 2016? One of them revealed how the Demos manipulate polls to their advantage. With CNN they don't even have to ask - they'll do it for them.
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          "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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          • #6
            Biden: "We choose truth over facts."

            Better keep him in the basement.
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            "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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            • #7
              Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
              Female groper and molester "quid-pro-quo" Joe Biden looks to be the Dem choice, so not much better, if any at all, alternate to Clinton in 2016.
              And then there are these-sexual assault and rape accusation against Trump.

              1.https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list...ry?id=51956410

              At least 17 women have accused Donald Trump of varying inappropriate behavior, including allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault, all but one coming forward with their accusations before or during his bid for the White House.

              The latest accusation came days ago from writer E. Jean Carroll, more than two years into Trump’s presidency, prompting a new denial from Trump.

              Trump has vehemently denied all of the women’s accusations multiple times. In some cases, he and his team members have specifically denied individual accusations, but they have also repeatedly issued blanket denials against all the allegations, calling the women liars.

              Before Carroll's accusations, the topic surfaced in fall 2018 while Trump defended his Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. In defending Kavanaugh against allegations of a sexual assault during high school, which Kavanaugh denied, Trump took the opportunity to push back against the various accusations that came up against him during his presidential run.

              At a Sept. 27, 2018 press conference, Trump brushed off the "false accusations" he has faced, saying that he was "accused by four or five women we got paid to make up stories about me."

              2.https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...trump-recapped

              Sixteen women have come forward with allegations against President Donald Trump, each accusing him of inappropriate conduct. The most recent, from writer and columnist E. Jean Carroll, appeared in NY Magazine on Friday.

              The women’s charges range from unwanted touches and aggressive, sudden kissing to the latest accusation against Trump — that he attacked a woman in a dressing room and forced his penis inside her. Donald Trump, his campaign and the Trump White House have insisted all of the stories are fabricated and politically motivated.

              3.https://time.com/5058646/donald-trump-accusers/

              Writer E. Jean Carroll says Donald Trump assaulted her in a dressing room in the late 1990s, making her at least the 19th woman to allege sexual misconduct by the president.

              In a cover story for New York magazine, Carroll, the author of five books known for her advice column in Elle, detailed violent encounters with six men, including Trump and former CBS chairman Les Moonves. The article includes a photo that appears to show Trump and Carroll together with their then-spouses at an NBC party in 1987.

              In a statement, Trump said “there is zero evidence” for the accusation, adding that he’s “never met” Carroll.

              The allegation was the latest — and most serious — accusation against Trump of sexual misconduct in the past. Since he launched his campaign, other women have come forward to say that Trump came into women’s dressing rooms, kissed them without consent and groped them.

              While dozens of other men have lost or left their jobs over alleged sexual misconduct in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, including Democratic Sen. Al Franken and Rep. John Conyers, some of Trump’s accusers have said that they’re frustrated their allegations haven’t had the same effect on the President.

              4.https://www.businessinsider.com/wome...t-list-2017-12
              • At least 25 women have accused President Donald Trump of sexual misconduct since the 1970s.
              • Renewed attention was brought to the allegations amid the #MeToo movement and a national conversation concerning sexual misconduct.
              • Trump has repeatedly denied the accusations, denouncing his accusers as "liars."
              • In June 2019, columnist E. Jean Carroll accused President Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her by forcing his penis inside her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room in the mid-1990s.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • #8
                As we've been seeing lately, just about anybody can make accusations against just about anybody. Will be interesting to see if the accusations against Trump get traction and settlement in courts.

                Meanwhile we have seen several to dozens of photos recently, some going back a bit in time, of Joe's unsolicited fondling and groping women and girls, which they often appear to be discomforted by. I'm sure we'll see them many times again between now and November if he gets the Dem nomination.

                Biden is also still under investigation about his role in the Ukraine-Burisma affair, and maybe questionable dealings with China.

                And just recently we get three gaffes from him in less than a minute;
                https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/sta...43208282701825

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                  Sounds like history repeating itself.....2016 all over again.
                  IIRC, the 2016 polls regarding popular vote were pretty close to the final result. It was the electoral college that's harder to predict. And that seems to be relatively common in elections. The overall popular vote is fairly accurately predictable. It's the final voter distribution (depending on a country's system) that's trickier to predict. It's rare to have large swings of popular vote on election day as compared to what the polls have been showing. It happens, but it's rare.

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                  • #10
                    CNN polls consistently show Democrats leading by far larger margins than other polls.

                    In this case, they have Biden winning by 14 points while NBC and NPR, both liberal, have him winning by 7.
                    "It is a fine fox chase, my boys"

                    "It is well that war is so terrible-we would grow too fond of it"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by American87 View Post
                      CNN polls consistently show Democrats leading by far larger margins than other polls.

                      In this case, they have Biden winning by 14 points while NBC and NPR, both liberal, have him winning by 7.
                      Individual polls can be off by a larger or smaller margin that others, which is why it's best to look at the aggregate and averages of numerous polls, and never go by only a single poll source. Also, I personally prefer professional research/survey groups vs news media polls.

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                      • #12
                        More on Trump's poll troubles...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elect...cid=spartandhp
                        A couple of weeks ago, a poll shook the 2020 race. It showed former vice president Joe Biden, who had just officially secured the delegates he needs to become the Democratic nominee, leading President Trump by a remarkable 12 points
                        in all-important Michigan. That’s a state Trump had carried narrowly in 2016, and it was one of three — along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — that delivered him the presidency.

                        It turns out that things there might actually be worse for Trump. But it’s hardly the only indication that his 2020 polls are getting worse.
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
                          As we've been seeing lately, just about anybody can make accusations against just about anybody. Will be interesting to see if the accusations against Trump get traction and settlement in courts.

                          Meanwhile we have seen several to dozens of photos recently, some going back a bit in time, of Joe's unsolicited fondling and groping women and girls, which they often appear to be discomforted by. I'm sure we'll see them many times again between now and November if he gets the Dem nomination.

                          Biden is also still under investigation about his role in the Ukraine-Burisma affair, and maybe questionable dealings with China.

                          And just recently we get three gaffes from him in less than a minute;
                          https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/sta...43208282701825
                          Creepy Joe
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                          "Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight." -Proverbs 18:17

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                          • #14
                            Any poll conducted by any special interest (CNN is a special interest IMO) is suspect.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jose50 View Post
                              Any poll conducted by any special interest (CNN is a special interest IMO) is suspect.

                              Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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