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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    Both faced other protests over other issues and didn't have to be in front of WH. Nor become riots - etc. For example, Obama catalyst the TEA Party Movement, but unlike Left Wing, these did not become violent and destructive.

    In a nation with extreme polarity and factions, no POTUS is going to be a unifying leader. Either one side or the other will find displeasure with whom is in the White House, but only one side has a decades old record of frequent riots, lootings, violence, and insurrection. WTO riots in Seattle back in 1999 are a classic.

    You can not unify what doesn't want to be unified.

    Not all minorities have "problems", nor do all members of those minorities identify with the same "problems". In many cases and examples, those "problems" are mostly self-inflicted. Also, many want more than "empathy", many want to extort for conceived reparations.
    The Tea Party Movement started with Obama's immediate accent to power. it was a largely a partisan movement which is obvious by the fact that the movement disappeared when Trump came to power . By contrast, the BLM movement was established DURING Obama's era because it was rooted on an old social problem which affects the Black community.

    Polarity does not fall out of the sky. Political leaders and their rhetoric is a major factor of that polarity and affects its magnitude.

    Some problems are self-inflicted but no Black person yet has self-suffocated by using a choke hold or his knee on the neck. It is obvious that some problems are inflicted upon minorities by the system. And this includes not only deaths, but unconstitutional racial profiling (according to court decisions), unconstitutional voting polices that target minorities (again according to courts) and so on.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post

    The evidence contradicts your claims. Neither Obama nor Bush or any other recent president faced massive demonstrations in front of the WH even though there have been similar cases of police brutality against Black citizens. The magnitude of the demonstrations and riots is certainly linked to Trump's inability to act as a unifying leader in a time of crisis and his inability to show any empathy for the problems that minorities face in the US.
    Both faced other protests over other issues and didn't have to be in front of WH. Nor become riots - etc. For example, Obama catalyst the TEA Party Movement, but unlike Left Wing, these did not become violent and destructive.

    In a nation with extreme polarity and factions, no POTUS is going to be a unifying leader. Either one side or the other will find displeasure with whom is in the White House, but only one side has a decades old record of frequent riots, lootings, violence, and insurrection. WTO riots in Seattle back in 1999 are a classic.

    You can not unify what doesn't want to be unified.

    Not all minorities have "problems", nor do all members of those minorities identify with the same "problems". In many cases and examples, those "problems" are mostly self-inflicted. Also, many want more than "empathy", many want to extort for conceived reparations.

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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by Reimnitz View Post
    Explain the young man found hung in tree in Palmdale CA!


    I don't have a crystal ball, and police are investigating that and another.
    Authorities investigating 2 separate deaths of Black men found hanging in Southern California

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/au...z&ocid=msnbcrd

    Do YOU have any other information ?

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

    "a presidency filled with division and confrontation with clear racial connotations" back to discussing Obama I see ...

    Reminder, this thread is about 17 additional unjustified deaths, most at hands of the rioters and insurrectionists. Would seem some don't see these as significant or of any matter.
    The evidence contradicts your claims. Neither Obama nor Bush or any other recent president faced massive demonstrations in front of the WH even though there have been similar cases of police brutality against Black citizens. The magnitude of the demonstrations and riots is certainly linked to Trump's inability to act as a unifying leader in a time of crisis and his inability to show any empathy for the problems that minorities face in the US.

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  • Reimnitz
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    Explain the young man found hung in tree in Palmdale CA!



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  • G David Bock
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    Originally posted by pamak View Post

    Another unjustified death of a black (or minority) person caught on camera during a presidency filled with division and confrontation with clear racial connotations (go back to where you came from, Jews will not replace us, etc) It is just the name of the victim would be different. When the problem is systemic, the spark will eventually come.
    "a presidency filled with division and confrontation with clear racial connotations" back to discussing Obama I see ...

    Reminder, this thread is about 17 additional unjustified deaths, most at hands of the rioters and insurrectionists. Would seem some don't see these as significant or of any matter.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    And the single death, assassination of an arch-duke, didn't start World War One either. And of course any German politician could have done like Adolph Hitler in galvanizing support and rising to power.

    Or to take a page from our Trump Deranges Me Syndrome LWL one man in the White House caused the riots.

    For want of a nail ,the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe ....

    Many historians would assert that History quite often is the result of simple math.

    I'm curious what would have sparked the "protests" became riots if Floyd hadn't died, or had his death events show via video on the internet.

    Something about extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary evidence would suggest here is where one should enlighten us as to how the recent insurrections happened without the Floyd death incident being a spark/catalyst to the deranged misfits of our nation.
    Another unjustified death of a black (or minority) person caught on camera during a presidency filled with division and confrontation with clear racial connotations (go back to where you came from, Jews will not replace us, etc) It is just the name of the victim would be different. When the problem is systemic, the spark will eventually come.
    Last edited by pamak; 14 Jun 20, 12:32.

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  • G David Bock
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    Needs a Bump!

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  • G David Bock
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    St. Louis Police Arrest Man For Allegedly Murdering Retired Black Police Captain David Dorn
    ...
    The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department announced on Sunday that they had made an arrest in connection with the murder of retired Captain David Dorn, who was allegedly murdered by looters last week.

    “Relative to the investigation into the murder of Ret. Capt. David Dorn, officers arrested Stephan Cannon (left) and the Circuit Attorney’s Office issued one count of Murder 1st, one count of Burglary 1st, one count of Unlawful Possession of a Firearm & two counts of Armed Criminal Action,” the department said in a statement. “Bond not allowed.”
    ...

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/st-lo...urce=housefile

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by ljadw View Post

    Three years ago, Mohammed Moor, a Somali and a police officer killed a white woman in Minneapolis. He got 12 years, the Somali were angry,of course, but there were no demonstrations by white supremacists,neither by Romney,and no one was looting and attacking the police .And the mayor of Minneapolis did not propose to disband the police of his city .And the pope remained silent, as was Trudeau,as was CNN,as were Antifa, Ellison ,Biden, Obama, ....
    They remained also silent when at Memorial Day, 10 young blacks were killed in Minneapolis and 16 wounded .
    They did also not protest,although they knew of it against the tactic of the knee on the neck that was used already long before the death of Floyd .
    Long before : in 5 years,this tactic was used in Minneapolis at least 237 times resulting 44 times in unconscious people ,and the mayor knew it, the police chief knew it, Ellison knew it .
    It was also used in Democratic cities as Chicago and Seattle and in Edmonton ( for Europeans : Edmonton is today still in Canada ) ,but Trudeau remained silent .
    When the police starts killing white supremacists and racists then we can talk...
    When white supremacists feel that they are unfairly targeted by the stare, they blow off whole buildings and kill hundreds of people

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timoth...a_City_bombing






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  • ljadw
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    Originally posted by G David Bock View Post
    And the single death, assassination of an arch-duke, didn't start World War One either. And of course any German politician could have done like Adolph Hitler in galvanizing support and rising to power.

    Or to take a page from our Trump Deranges Me Syndrome LWL one man in the White House caused the riots.

    For want of a nail ,the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe ....

    Many historians would assert that History quite often is the result of simple math.

    I'm curious what would have sparked the "protests" became riots if Floyd hadn't died, or had his death events show via video on the internet.

    Something about extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary evidence would suggest here is where one should enlighten us as to how the recent insurrections happened without the Floyd death incident being a spark/catalyst to the deranged misfits of our nation.
    Three years ago, Mohammed Moor, a Somali and a police officer killed a white woman in Minneapolis. He got 12 years, the Somali were angry,of course, but there were no demonstrations by white supremacists,neither by Romney,and no one was looting and attacking the police .And the mayor of Minneapolis did not propose to disband the police of his city .And the pope remained silent, as was Trudeau,as was CNN,as were Antifa, Ellison ,Biden, Obama, ....
    They remained also silent when at Memorial Day, 10 young blacks were killed in Minneapolis and 16 wounded .
    They did also not protest,although they knew of it against the tactic of the knee on the neck that was used already long before the death of Floyd .
    Long before : in 5 years,this tactic was used in Minneapolis at least 237 times resulting 44 times in unconscious people ,and the mayor knew it, the police chief knew it, Ellison knew it .
    It was also used in Democratic cities as Chicago and Seattle and in Edmonton ( for Europeans : Edmonton is today still in Canada ) ,but Trudeau remained silent .

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  • Mountain Man
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    The collateral damage is almost always ignored or glossed over by the prevailing yellow journalism of the mass media. Which os why they have zero actual credibility.

    When I watch a video clip, I see what happens. I refuse to accept the media;s account of how or why it happened since they make it up to suit the moment. And I never accept their assessment of who is to blame.

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  • G David Bock
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    Now up to 17;
    https://disrn.com/news/the-16-people...e-floyds-death
    Last Updated Jun 6th, 2020 at 6:55 am

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  • G David Bock
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    And the single death, assassination of an arch-duke, didn't start World War One either. And of course any German politician could have done like Adolph Hitler in galvanizing support and rising to power.

    Or to take a page from our Trump Deranges Me Syndrome LWL one man in the White House caused the riots.

    For want of a nail ,the shoe was lost, for want of a shoe ....

    Many historians would assert that History quite often is the result of simple math.

    I'm curious what would have sparked the "protests" became riots if Floyd hadn't died, or had his death events show via video on the internet.

    Something about extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary evidence would suggest here is where one should enlighten us as to how the recent insurrections happened without the Floyd death incident being a spark/catalyst to the deranged misfits of our nation.

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  • pamak
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    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

    Your argument is wrong.

    Floyd was murdered. = 1

    The effects of that has resulted in 16 people dying at the time of the OP.

    Simple math.
    The fact that Floyd's death gave the spark for the demonstrations does not mean that a single death was the cause for the protests. People in a history forum should be able to understand it. History is not based on such simple math....

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