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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
      a big contributing factor to these riots is unemployment due to COVID. Who has time to do this self indulgent BS?
      No just unemployment, but being illegally locked down for so long by corrupt politicians lied to us constantly and deliberately set out to destroy our economy has led to resentment, frustration and finally anger and lashing out.

      I do not condone the riots, but I do see them as the natural result of the actions taken, and as something the Democrats hoped for so that they could justify keeping us under control until the rigged elections.

      This plays right into their corrupt plans to create the NSDNWO, the Nationalist Socialist Democratic New World Order so eagerly sought by creatures like Soros and Gates.
      Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by lodestar View Post

        You dare contradict the divine and sentient lodestar! Impertinent whelp!!

        I didn't say the 68 riots were the worst. Just that it was a turbulent year for the US and asked if the 'state of the nation', the temper and ambiance of 1968 and 2020 are in some ways comparable?

        Lift your intellectual horizons, stop nitpicking and discuss the broader picture (cultural wars, national identity crisis, weaponisation of various communication platforms and identity politics, a love him or hate him president, national divisiveness).

        ya hip to that dude?

        Hop on board the lodestar moped and ride with him to triumph ....... or ...oblivion!

        My history professors had an informal motto back in my Uni days which went something like:
        'Straight answers to straight questions are for idiots and cowards, you're here to learn how to think not what to think!'


        Regards
        lodestar

        My instructors taught me that anything other than a straight answer was lying and deceiving, and was for the moral cowards and the politicians who could not face the real world.

        "How to think" is not synonymous with lies and deceptions, especially coming from liberal socialist teachers whose sole agenda is to teach "what to think".

        The Emperor, in fact, is a stark naked lunatic, period. That is all any of them have ever been, all rhetoric to the contrary.

        Intelligence is knowing the difference and making the correct choices.



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        • #19
          Originally posted by Massena View Post

          The demonstrations and riots of the period 1965, beginning with Watts, and into 1970, were divided between racial problems and the anti-war movement. The latter had a significant portion of the various groups in treasonous correspondence with the North Vietnamese and actively supported them in the US.
          Still something similar today, only it's the AntiFa and not the North Viets(NVA) being supported ...
          TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch

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          • #20
            What about the far-right and the white supremacists? Are they not involved? Or, are they sacrosanct because Trump supports them?
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Massena View Post
              What about the far-right and the white supremacists? Are they not involved? Or, are they sacrosanct because Trump supports them?
              Not at all. They are just as bad, and probably have dual membership in Antifa as they goal is to cause unrest and discontent.
              Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by johns624 View Post

                Wrong. 1967. And to the OP--today's aren't even close to those. I was 8 at the time of the Detroit riots and remember them well.
                I'm sure there were areas more impacted in 1967 than 1968, but 1968 seems to be the worse year for riots.

                Comparing 2020 to 1968 offers some disquieting lessons for the present. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...so-far/612415/
                No, This Isn’t as Bad as 1968 (So Far) https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...-so-far-294187
                A timeline of 1968 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...mic-180967503/

                However, since I couldn't have been there I can only go by the articles I've read. They do suggest that 1968 was overall more destructive than 1967.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                  Not at all. They are just as bad, and probably have dual membership in Antifa as they goal is to cause unrest and discontent.
                  Dual membership? The far-right groups are the antithesis of Antifa, as Antifa is far-left...

                  This is an interesting article and not surprising at all:

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in...cid=spartandhp

                  “What did I tell you?” a voice cried out as the camera recording mayhem in downtown Pittsburgh settled on a white man, clad in all black, smashing the windows of a police vehicle.

                  “It is not black people,” the onlooker called to the crowd before addressing the vandal directly: “What are you doing?”

                  What he was doing, authorities later alleged, was inciting riots on Saturday as the city — like dozens of others across America — was swept up in sustained unrest over the death of a black man in police custody. Demonstrations have spread from Minneapolis, where a white police officer pinned his knee on the neck of George Floyd, to scores of cities, some of which have been looted and set ablaze.

                  Police identified Brian Jordan Bartels, 20, of Allison Park, Pa., as having “kicked off” the escalation in Pittsburgh, one of several examples of peaceful assemblies against police violence creating opportunities for pandemonium. While at heart the gatherings have been an appeal for racial justice, they also have attracted a diverse array of people with other grievances and agendas who have co-opted the moment, accelerating what has been a national unraveling as the country reels from a pandemic that has put more than 40 million people out of work.


                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Massena View Post

                    Dual membership? The far-right groups are the antithesis of Antifa, as Antifa is far-left...

                    This is an interesting article and not surprising at all:

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/in...cid=spartandhp

                    “What did I tell you?” a voice cried out as the camera recording mayhem in downtown Pittsburgh settled on a white man, clad in all black, smashing the windows of a police vehicle.

                    “It is not black people,” the onlooker called to the crowd before addressing the vandal directly: “What are you doing?”

                    What he was doing, authorities later alleged, was inciting riots on Saturday as the city — like dozens of others across America — was swept up in sustained unrest over the death of a black man in police custody. Demonstrations have spread from Minneapolis, where a white police officer pinned his knee on the neck of George Floyd, to scores of cities, some of which have been looted and set ablaze.

                    Police identified Brian Jordan Bartels, 20, of Allison Park, Pa., as having “kicked off” the escalation in Pittsburgh, one of several examples of peaceful assemblies against police violence creating opportunities for pandemonium. While at heart the gatherings have been an appeal for racial justice, they also have attracted a diverse array of people with other grievances and agendas who have co-opted the moment, accelerating what has been a national unraveling as the country reels from a pandemic that has put more than 40 million people out of work.

                    The Mayor of Atlanta was the first to claim that white supremist had infiltrated the Antifa group.Why couldn't they? Do you think they do background checks>
                    Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                      The Mayor of Atlanta was the first to claim that white supremist had infiltrated the Antifa group.Why couldn't they? Do you think they do background checks>
                      And tweeter announced also the suspension of an account which falsely claimed an ANTIFA ID even thought the founders were white supremacists

                      https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...ionalist-group

                      Twitter takes down fake antifa account linked to white nationalist group


                      In this digital world, such dual "membership" happens often. Personally, I would not be surprised if more foreign actors, including from countries like China and Russia try to exploit the situation by inciting even more violence. And the key word is "exploit" which should not be confused with a claim that foreign actors and white supremacists created the whole situation with the violence and looting that we see.
                      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post
                        What about the far-right and the white supremacists? Are they not involved? Or, are they sacrosanct because Trump supports them?
                        Is some one defending them?

                        If some one or group is found stirring them up this mess bring the full power of state and federal law enforcement against them. I don't care if they are antifa, nazi, sds, kkk, communist, anarchist or the radical wing of the elks lodge.
                        "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" Beatrice Evelyn Hall
                        Updated for the 21st century... except if you are criticizing islam, that scares the $hii+e out of me!

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                        • #27
                          I do not have an opinion but those who do have one based on their childhood memories must consider how perceptions change over time as people grow up. Obviously, the same scene will register differently in the mind of a young child and in the mind of a grown man.
                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • #28
                            (WARNING: Some viewers may find this content graphic. Viewer discretion is advised.) BUFFALO – Two New York State Troopers and a Buffalo Police officer working to contain protestors in the City of Buffalo were run over by an SUV on Monday night. New York State Police in a media release Tuesday morning said the incident happened around 10 p.m. when law enforcement was working to clear E-District on Bailey Avenue in Buffalo.

                            Police say a 2002 Ford Explorer traveling north in the southbound lane drove through their blockade, striking a Trooper, Buffalo Police Officer, and running over another trooper who was on the ground. Police on scene fire shots at the vehicle as it continued down the street. The SUV was eventually apprehended and while taking the operator into custody, police observed a they suffered a gunshot wound. Additionally, police said one of the passengers had a gunshot wound, the other had no injuries. The operator and passenger were taken to ECMC for non-life threatening injures. The Trooper who was run over was treated at ECMC for a shattered pelvis and a broken leg. The other Trooper, who had a hand/wrist injury, and Buffalo Police Officer were treated for minor injuries.





                            There is no institutional racism in the USA, other countries have those issues. The "hands up dont shoot" protesters are in the wrong and need to be stopped. God be with the policeman with the shattered pelvis. I fully support the police, and stand for equality among man as Christianity and Islam teach.


                            NYC saw big groups of blacks smashing store windows and looting, they disgrace the great history of Africa. Most Americans black and white are not chanting hands up dont shoot....they want to get back to work.

                            We need counter protesters
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                            • #29
                              Metro police officer shot in the head while arresting protester






                              Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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                              • #30
                                St. Louis police chief gets emotional talking about 4 officers shot during riots


                                Long live the Lionheart! Please watch this video
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                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3DBaY0RsxU
                                Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory.

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