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  • #16
    Originally posted by DingBat View Post
    Ok, hold on a sec.

    Masks were never sold as a shield against infection. At least, they weren't sold that way here in Canada and certainly not by anyone you'd trust. Masks were sold as a method of reducing the "bloom" of virus containing droplets when an infected person sneezes or coughs. And, in that task, even homemade cloth masks can be effective.

    Further, masks such as the N95 mask CAN reduce the risk of inhaling virus droplets even if they are sized at 3 microns.

    Just because some actions are not 100% proof against infection does not mean they are useless. Since it seems to require endless repetition: The goal of social distancing is not to prevent infection. It is intended to prevent health care systems from being overloaded and rendered useless.
    If there is less infection, health care systems will not be overloaded .
    That is the wrong governmental argument .
    They forget that infection is not negative, what is negative is becoming sick .Besides, most infection has already happen and more infection does not mean more sick .
    There are in the US 1,22 million infection cases of which 71000 finished in death .But everyone knows that the real number of infection is a tenfold,or a twenty or thirty fold .
    The problem arise when infected persons become sick, and there is nothing that can prevent this, except the infected persons themselves : if they are young,strong and healthy, the risk that they will become sick is minimal .
    And, about the droplets : the infection can also be spread without human contact, without droplets .

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    • #17
      It's a good thing some here never got any further than what they have actually become.
      Well, the reverse goes for many not here who should never have gotten to where they are now.
      "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return"

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Surrey View Post
        The Scottish government is recommending people wear cloth masks...


        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52457324
        Those are about 2% effective, you may as well pull some of your own fair across your face.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Phaing View Post

          Those are about 2% effective, you may as well pull some of your own fair across your face.
          I know. Crazy isn’t it.
          "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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          • #20
            If face masks work, why is everything still closed?
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • #21
              Much of mask usage is purely to signal virtue.

              'Look what we are doing!'
              'Look how precious/important/careful we are!'
              'We are doing something proactive to control something (over which we have no or little control.)'

              All they are doing is keeping valuable resources from those who actually need them and know how to use them. It sickens me how their pompous vanity endangers real doctors, nurses, and other professionals who are in dire need of those masks.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
                Much of mask usage is purely to signal virtue.

                'Look what we are doing!'
                'Look how precious/important/careful we are!'
                'We are doing something proactive to control something (over which we have no or little control.)'

                All they are doing is keeping valuable resources from those who actually need them and know how to use them. It sickens me how their pompous vanity endangers real doctors, nurses, and other professionals who are in dire need of those masks.

                As long as some of the mask is not about signal virtue, and as long as wearing masks gives some control it makes no sense to be against wearing them, as long as they are not professional ones which are indeed in short supply and should not be used by the public. Dingbat stated the real issue behind wearing a mask:

                Originally posted by DingBat

                Masks were sold as a method of reducing the "bloom" of virus containing droplets when an infected person sneezes or coughs. And, in that task, even homemade cloth masks can be effective.
                My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pamak View Post


                  As long as some of the mask is not about signal virtue, and as long as wearing masks gives some control it makes no sense to be against wearing them, as long as they are not professional ones which are indeed in short supply and should not be used by the public. Dingbat stated the real issue behind wearing a mask:

                  Originally posted by DingBat

                  Masks were sold as a method of reducing the "bloom" of virus containing droplets when an infected person sneezes or coughs. And, in that task, even homemade cloth masks can be effective.
                  Not against them. I just comprehend how much they're like pissing on a bonfire.

                  The operative thing in your quote is that the INFECTED can reduce to a degree the 'virus bloom' from their coughs. For people inhaling who are not infected, the cloth and other improvised masks are useless, and could be worse than useless as they can become contaminated and then literally hold virus-rich materials right near the mouth to be inhaled repeatedly rather than a bit of virus in the open air that may or may not be inhaled and may or may not take hold even if inhaled.

                  If you're infected, you should stay home. If you have to answer your door or do something where you could conceivably be near uninfected people, yes, wear a mask to contain your own germs as much as possible. If you're not infected, maintain your distance and minimize your time in confined public spaces where air circulation is minimal or nonexistent, wearing a muffler or makeshift mask is not going to help you to any measurable degree and could actually be hurting you substantially due to less than sanitary procedures/discipline on your part.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post

                    Not against them. I just comprehend how much they're like pissing on a bonfire.

                    The operative thing in your quote is that the INFECTED can reduce to a degree the 'virus bloom' from their coughs. For people inhaling who are not infected, the cloth and other improvised masks are useless, and could be worse than useless as they can become contaminated and then literally hold virus-rich materials right near the mouth to be inhaled repeatedly rather than a bit of virus in the open air that may or may not be inhaled and may or may not take hold even if inhaled.

                    If you're infected, you should stay home. If you have to answer your door or do something where you could conceivably be near uninfected people, yes, wear a mask to contain your own germs as much as possible. If you're not infected, maintain your distance and minimize your time in confined public spaces where air circulation is minimal or nonexistent, wearing a muffler or makeshift mask is not going to help you to any measurable degree and could actually be hurting you substantially due to less than sanitary procedures/discipline on your part.
                    The problem with this virus is that no one knows if he is infected or not since we have many asymptomatic people. I do not accept the claim that wearing a mask will make it worse (for a healthy person). I do not see a big difference between having the infected droplet landing on your mask compared to the same droplet landing on the same area on your exposed face, unless someone uses repeatedly the same cloth mask without washing it. But I agree that a cloth mask is not about protecting a person who is not infected. It is about protecting others in case you are one of those infected people who are unaware of their infection.
                    Last edited by pamak; 05 May 20, 22:58.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
                      Much of mask usage is purely to signal virtue.

                      'Look what we are doing!'
                      'Look how precious/important/careful we are!'
                      'We are doing something proactive to control something (over which we have no or little control.)'

                      All they are doing is keeping valuable resources from those who actually need them and know how to use them. It sickens me how their pompous vanity endangers real doctors, nurses, and other professionals who are in dire need of those masks.
                      I found a box of blue surgical masks in my closet. I wore one when I went to the store today (there was a line just to get into Trader Joe's) and the looks I was getting were so filled with envy.... and meanwhile the staff that was so obsessed with controlling the nubmers of people in the store wore a hodge-podge of worthless junk!

                      Politics and making Political statements are all it is. Making people fear and distrust each other is how Radicals breed, and this is the best time to be a nasty little Radical in my lifetime. Crashing the economy is also high on their lest.
                      Garbage systems like Socialism can't offer anyone anything but a crumb, so the only way to make people turn to it in mass numbers is to fix it so that they can't even get a crumb without joining the Radicals.
                      Simple, and only effective if it is like Germany in 1933, Russia in 1917, and the list goes on.

                      There have been no new cases in my state for two days, and none in my coutry for ten, and yet our Tyrannical Governor has extended our imprisonment until July 6th.


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                      • #26
                        I went to Harbor Freight and Fry's today. I needed a long drill bit for some gutter I was hanging. At Fry's Food I bought a 15 pack and bottle of sake. I was in flip flops, no mask, no gloves, no hand sanitizer, none of that nonsense. Neither store was crowded so that wasn't an issue, not that I give a flying....

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DingBat View Post
                            But you accept orders to place yourself under house arrest from politicians...the dumbest and most useless people among us.
                            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                              But you accept orders to place yourself under house arrest from politicians...the dumbest and most useless people among us.
                              I didn't. I've been out most days since this nonsense began. I've been regularly to stores, and other people's homes. Haven't particularly tried hard to 'social distance' and damn sure haven't worn a worthless stick up mask. After all, it's not like I'm robbing banks or something...

                              So, in true American fashion I have ignored the authorities and government and done as I damn well please. Now that's American!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                                I didn't. I've been out most days since this nonsense began. I've been regularly to stores, and other people's homes. Haven't particularly tried hard to 'social distance' and damn sure haven't worn a worthless stick up mask. After all, it's not like I'm robbing banks or something...

                                So, in true American fashion I have ignored the authorities and government and done as I damn well please. Now that's American!
                                So have we!
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