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  • Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Have you seen the increasing numbers in Brazil lately?
    What has this to do with the claim that someone who is carrying a gun should also wear a mask ?
    The number of infections and the number of people dying with Corona, because of Corona related illnesses,because of Corona, is increasing , but it still is lower than in most European countries,if one converts the numbers to the population ):
    Brazil has 220 million inhabitants,400000 infections and 25000 deaths.
    Spain has 46 million inhabitants (20 % of Brazil ) but 280000 infections ( 70 % of Brazil ) and 27000 deaths (110 % of Brazil ) .
    Who is doing better ?
    And, Brazil is also doing better than Germany .
    And, where are people wearing more masks : Brazil,Spain, Germany ?

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    • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

      What has this to do with the claim that someone who is carrying a gun should also wear a mask ?
      The number of infections and the number of people dying with Corona, because of Corona related illnesses,because of Corona, is increasing , but it still is lower than in most European countries,if one converts the numbers to the population ):
      Brazil has 220 million inhabitants,400000 infections and 25000 deaths.
      Spain has 46 million inhabitants (20 % of Brazil ) but 280000 infections ( 70 % of Brazil ) and 27000 deaths (110 % of Brazil ) .
      Who is doing better ?
      And, Brazil is also doing better than Germany .
      And, where are people wearing more masks : Brazil,Spain, Germany ?
      While the graph on Worlometers for Brasil isn't ideal, it shows reported dearths rather than actual deaths per day, looking at it I wouldn't be surprised if Brasil wasn't at or near the peak, meaning that the death rate will drop from now on.
      "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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      • That the wearing of masks is saving lives, is a very big exaggeration,invented by the lobbies who have all interest that the population would give up its freedom and money to the ruling elite .
        1 The wearing of a mask CAN prevent that someone would be infected, but mostly it has no effect on it .
        2 If one is infected, it is POSSIBLE that he becomes sick, but mostly he does not become sick .
        3 If some one becomes sick, he CAN become serious sick,but mostly this does not happen .
        4 MOST people who become serious sick ,do not die .
        Following the LATIMES of May 18 ,the real infection number in California could be between 3 and 8 million. If this is true ,the real infection number on world scale could be 1 billion,resulting in 350000 deaths,which are not all corona deaths .This is 1 on 3000 .
        And ,people who after being infected,become serious sick and die ,are mostly people who also would die if there was no Corona and if no one or everyone would wear a mask .: 79 % of the deaths in California are older than 65 .
        The usefulness of a mask has become a dogma for a lot of people ,people who are willing to believe anything ,because they are panicking .
        There is no proof that more people would die,if everyone would stop wearing a mask .
        There is also no proof that less people would die,if everyone would wear a mask : 8 billion people wearing always and overall a mask,does not mean that no one would die,or that less people would die .
        There are in Belgium proportionally 3 times more ''Corona '' deaths than in the US,that does not mean that proportionally there are in Belgium only a third of the people in the USA who wear a mask .
        Brazil has 2/3 of the US population but has only 1/4 of the ''CV'' deaths . There is no proof hat people in Brazil are wearing more a mask than people in the USA .

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        • If the masks are so almigty important, then why don't we have proper ones? Where are all of those effective masks being withheld from the people, but being sent oversees by the millions?

          And if masks works so well, why do we "socially distance"? And if "socially distancing:" is so workable, then why do we need the mask? From a practical and a scientific and an infectious disease standpoint, all of it is meaningless and idiotic.

          The answer to all of this is training Americans to be obedient no matter how stupid and meaningless the orders are.

          This is the Democratic Socialist citizen of the future:

          Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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          • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

            While the graph on Worlometers for Brasil isn't ideal, it shows reported dearths rather than actual deaths per day, looking at it I wouldn't be surprised if Brasil wasn't at or near the peak, meaning that the death rate will drop from now on.
            One look at social/living conditions in many nations explains everything. The bigger the slums, the higher the death tolls, always assuming that those nations are actually verifying the deaths as being caused by COVID and not lying about it like our own state governors. Give the state of their economies, I seriously doubt they are spending the money to verify cause of death with any appreciable accuracy.
            Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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            • Originally posted by ljadw View Post

              The wearing of a mask has not as aim to stop the spreading of a pandemic ,because wearing a mask does not stop the spreading of a pandemic .
              Besides there was no obligation for the man to wear a mask, unless you can prove the opposite .
              And,why should the man not carry a gun ? He had the right to do it,unless you can prove the opposite .
              And, afaics, there is no law imposing those who carry a gun to wear a mask,or the opposite .
              In fact, wearing a mask and carrying a gun leads people to think you are about to perform a robbery., or that you are a terrorist. I would shoot that person based on appearance alone.
              Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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              • Originally posted by Snowygerry View Post
                There's someone (with facemask and gloves) in the background behind the dwarf there with a sign "YWG1WGA" - what's that about ?
                It's misspelled. It should be WWG1WGA.

                Where We Go One, We Go All.
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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  One look at social/living conditions in many nations explains everything. The bigger the slums, the higher the death tolls, always assuming that those nations are actually verifying the deaths as being caused by COVID and not lying about it like our own state governors. Give the state of their economies, I seriously doubt they are spending the money to verify cause of death with any appreciable accuracy.
                  on the other hand Covid attacks those with underlying conditions and the old. Those who are overweight.

                  Poorer countries have proportionally less people in those categories so will have less people vulnerable to Covid. So all things being equal a country like Brazil will have less deaths per million than for example the US.

                  "To be free is better than to be unfree - always."

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                  • Originally posted by Surrey View Post

                    on the other hand Covid attacks those with underlying conditions and the old. Those who are overweight.

                    Poorer countries have proportionally less people in those categories so will have less people vulnerable to Covid. So all things being equal a country like Brazil will have less deaths per million than for example the US.
                    The part about the underlying conditions requires specific information. it is speculation that younger (but poorer) people have proportionally less underlying conditions than richer and older people in more developed countries. Do you know what is the smoking rate (with its associated respiratory side effects) and the alcohol or drug abuse rate in Brazil? What about hypertension? You do not need to be rich to have underlying conditions.

                    The part about age is fine with me. And in general, one would expect that very old people will have more underlying conditions than much younger people. But when the age difference is not that great, it should not be assumed that older age in a developed country will be accompanied with more underlying conditions than younger age in a developing country. I can easily imagine an average 50 year old person in a developing country having more underlying conditions that a 65 senior in a developed country.
                    Last edited by pamak; 27 May 20, 18:55.
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