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    These are basic principles of infectious disease control.

    The mask must be manufactured out of rated viral filtration material sized to blocked the viral particles. COVID particles are 125 microns in size; therefore the mask must be rated to a smaller size than that number or it will not block the viral particles. T-shirts, mufflers, handkerchiefs, knitted and crocheted items,bandanas, painting masks and used articles of clothing DO NOT meet the requirements.

    The mask must be changed daily at minimum. It should be changed every time you return from outside. Moisture build-up from respiration and clogging from blocked particles renders the mask ineffective. The used mask must be destroyed, NOT placed in the garbage. It is now Contaminated Medical Waste.

    You must remove all of your outerwear before entering your home and disinfect it or you will contaminate your entire household. You must then thoroughly scrub yourself from top to bottom with a properly rated disinfectant cleanser.

    "Social distancing" is nonsense, since you will come in contact with contaminated surfaces everywhere you go. Everything around you is contaminated, if not by you yourself, then be everyone else, and it has been since the beginning.

    Currently, nothing is being properly done and you and the rest of America are totally exposed and have been since this whole farce began.

    FYI: I worked with lethal infectious disease patients for eight years.

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    But, it gives the appearance of doing something useful, just like being part of any big bureaucracy.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      These are basic principles of infectious disease control.

      The mask must be manufactured out of rated viral filtration material sized to blocked the viral particles. COVID particles are 125 microns in size; therefore the mask must be rated to a smaller size than that number or it will not block the viral particles. T-shirts, mufflers, handkerchiefs, knitted and crocheted items,bandanas, painting masks and used articles of clothing DO NOT meet the requirements.

      The mask must be changed daily at minimum. It should be changed every time you return from outside. Moisture build-up from respiration and clogging from blocked particles renders the mask ineffective. The used mask must be destroyed, NOT placed in the garbage. It is now Contaminated Medical Waste.

      You must remove all of your outerwear before entering your home and disinfect it or you will contaminate your entire household. You must then thoroughly scrub yourself from top to bottom with a properly rated disinfectant cleanser.

      "Social distancing" is nonsense, since you will come in contact with contaminated surfaces everywhere you go. Everything around you is contaminated, if not by you yourself, then be everyone else, and it has been since the beginning.

      Currently, nothing is being properly done and you and the rest of America are totally exposed and have been since this whole farce began.

      FYI: I worked with lethal infectious disease patients for eight years.
      Yep.

      That was the guidance we got when this whole kerfuffle began. And why first responders that aren't idiots are husbanding their actual N95 masks and not wasting them by constantly wearing them. An N95 will last approximately 4 hours in a contaminated environment before the filter is clogged. My gas mask filters are CBRN and will handle the virus in a contaminated area for approximately 8 hours per filter cartridge.

      Outside of an environment that I know or suspect is contaminated, I'm not grabbing a mask. Because the other ones are useless, and the good ones don't need to be wasted unless there's a good reason. My masks are stored properly and separately packaged....and I'm leaving them right there until I need them.

      Haven't used one yet come to think of it.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
        But, it gives the appearance of doing something useful, just like being part of any big bureaucracy.
        Or carrying around clipboards all day.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post

          Yep.

          That was the guidance we got when this whole kerfuffle began. And why first responders that aren't idiots are husbanding their actual N95 masks and not wasting them by constantly wearing them. An N95 will last approximately 4 hours in a contaminated environment before the filter is clogged. My gas mask filters are CBRN and will handle the virus in a contaminated area for approximately 8 hours per filter cartridge.

          Outside of an environment that I know or suspect is contaminated, I'm not grabbing a mask. Because the other ones are useless, and the good ones don't need to be wasted unless there's a good reason. My masks are stored properly and separately packaged....and I'm leaving them right there until I need them.

          Haven't used one yet come to think of it.
          Nor have I, but try explaining any of this to Joe Sixpack who is proudly wearing his neckerchief wrapped around his puss like Billy The Kid robbing the local stage. If "ignorance is bliss", then most of America is living in mindless ecstasy.

          This entire scam, including the lockdown and personal restrictions is meaningless and useless and has nothing at all to do with mitigating any disease process. It is purely a political maneuver.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            Nor have I, but try explaining any of this to Joe Sixpack who is proudly wearing his neckerchief wrapped around his puss like Billy The Kid robbing the local stage. If "ignorance is bliss", then most of America is living in mindless ecstasy.

            This entire scam, including the lockdown and personal restrictions is meaningless and useless and has nothing at all to do with mitigating any disease process. It is purely a political maneuver.
            I don't know about where you are, but our governor's EO provides that face masks "must be worn" when in public.
            So, rather than freak people out, I wear a "neck gaiter".
            It keeps bugs from flying into my mouth, but little else.
            But it still gives the appearance of doing something without actually accomplihsing anything and that is all the governor seems to want.
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            • #7
              The Scottish government is recommending people wear cloth masks...


              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52457324
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              • #8
                The idea is that if you have it you won’t, or at least have a much less chance, of spreading it. Not perfect, but better than nothing.

                it isn’t for stopping it hitting you. That would take bio chem gear. A droplet in the eye is enough
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                • #9
                  The problem is that face masks give the false sense of security to those who wear them. Those fools then proceed to screw around with them, adjust them, pull them down to eat or talk on the phone, etc. Whenever they do one of those idiotic things, they actually INCREASE the likelihood of contaminating themselves or others because, if the stupid things actually stopped any virii, their contact with the mask (at the most concentrated/wet area), spreads the highly concentrated virii to their faces or other surfaces.

                  The fools and buffoons can kill themselves all they like, but when my government tries to force me to partake in practices that will actually expose me to greater harm, I will just ignore them and force them to arrest me.
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                  • #10
                    I have no idea how we could determine how effective masks are at preventing infected people from infecting others. There are too many confounding circumstances. What I do know is that coughing into your arm is a bad idea.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                      I don't know about where you are, but our governor's EO provides that face masks "must be worn" when in public.
                      So, rather than freak people out, I wear a "neck gaiter".
                      It keeps bugs from flying into my mouth, but little else.
                      But it still gives the appearance of doing something without actually accomplihsing anything and that is all the governor seems to want.
                      Yep....I've worn a balaclava for the same reason. I hate the cloth masks, they're fussy and annoying. And the surgical ones too. So if I'm going to wear something utterly pointless.....I'll be comfortable at least.
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                      • #12
                        I probably should let this go because there is no scientific consensus. The wearing of face masks by the general population is an uncontrolled experiment. Which means there will likely never be any consensus.

                        What is missing in the discussion here so far is the role infectious dose plays in the severity of the disease.

                        The evidence suggests an association of viral dose with the severity of the disease. However, the evidence of the relationship is limited by the poor quality of many of the studies, the retrospective nature of the studies, small sample sizes and the potential problem with selection bias.
                        https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/sars-c...y-of-covid-19/

                        I have not been wearing a mask except where they are required. Washing your hands and keeping them away from your face is clearly more important. I always wear an outer garment such as a jacket and remove it at my car after leaving a public area and use alcohol to clean my hands before driving away. My confidence level that these procedures are effective is low.

                        What I do know is that economies are fragile and socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. It is possible that food supply chains could fail as they have in socialist counties. That leads to social unrest and a deepening of the crisis. Any thing we can do to flatten the curve will disarm the incompetent politicians that want to keep things shut down because of a blind faith in government as a solution to every problem.
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                        • #13
                          Ok, hold on a sec.

                          Masks were never sold as a shield against infection. At least, they weren't sold that way here in Canada and certainly not by anyone you'd trust. Masks were sold as a method of reducing the "bloom" of virus containing droplets when an infected person sneezes or coughs. And, in that task, even homemade cloth masks can be effective.

                          Further, masks such as the N95 mask CAN reduce the risk of inhaling virus droplets even if they are sized at 3 microns.

                          Just because some actions are not 100% proof against infection does not mean they are useless. Since it seems to require endless repetition: The goal of social distancing is not to prevent infection. It is intended to prevent health care systems from being overloaded and rendered useless.

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                          • #14
                            Masks essentially prevent larger (and hence more far flying) droplets from being launched, and also they apparently help disturb the airflow too which further reduces the flight distance of the droplets. But no ordinary mask, be they cloth or even surgical, prevents virus from getting through if there is aerosolized virus (i.e. virus particles in a very small droplet) or just virus particles laying the mask (i.e. from a droplet that has landed on the mask). Normal masks have nowhere near enough filtering capability to stop virus particles from getting through.

                            Regardless people should even with masks act as if they did not have masks. And make sure to clean (90 degree C wash for example) or replace the masks after every single use. And they should not be used after they have become moist from the breathing but instead replaced. Also people should not touch the masks, they should not eat while they have a mask (instead of dropping it to the neck it should be disposed and replaced with a clean one), they should not remove the mask while speaking or anything. Just like what Herman Hum posted, misuse and stupidity with the masks can very easily just increase the risk of infection.


                            EDIT: Just to note, the surgical-N95 respirators do filter out the virus to some extent but then again many people will have problems in just breathing through those for any longer periods of time. Furthermore people should not stare at the 'Nxx' values because it may not tell anything of their suitability. Additionally since it they may have valves allowing easier exhaling which further muddles their effectiveness.
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                            • #15
                              Short Version:

                              Nothing Short of MOPP 4 will protect you. A mask can help, but only if it's of a certain type, worn a certain way with incredible discipline, and all other procedures followed. Since neither is practicable in the real world........why bother?
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