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    Cruise Industry News;

    Carnival Corporation has issued an official press release confirming its ships are available to take pressure off land-based healthcare options globally...

    ... cruise ships are capable of being quickly provisioned to serve as hospitals with up to 1,000 hospital rooms that can treat patients suffering from less critical, non-COVID-19 conditions. These temporary cruise ship hospital rooms can be quickly converted to install and connect remote patient monitoring devices over the ship's high-speed network...

    The temporary hospital cruise ships would be berthed at a pier near the community in need and operated by the ship's crew, with all maritime operations, food and beverage, and cleaning services provided by crew already on the ship.
    https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/c...hospitals.html

    It sounds too good to be true, so I looked for confirmation and found this -

    This will require nimble, flexible, and imaginative leadership who are willing to adjust and improvise on the fly.

    Leadership that will accept the OK CONOPS today for a good one tomorrow and be willing to make mistakes and correct them quickly.

    We have great people in the Navy Reserve who are underemployed for the skills they have, but know how to work in a disciplined manner on a ship. They don't need to be from a medical field; engineering, deck, admin, security, culinary, and the ability to stand watch are all that would be needed to bulk up and support such efforts as this.

    There can be a quick turnaround if the right people with the right top-cover move now
    http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/20...19-public.html

    This is ten day old, so why has nobody acted on it?

  • #2
    The answer is in the 2nd article, we don't have imaginative leadership.
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    • #3
      2 things I can probably think of:

      1) Carnival is being a bit optimistic about how quickly they can convert a cruise liner into a hospital ship.

      2) Carnival is wanting to be PAID handsomely, after all CV is sort of murdering the cruise industry right now.

      3) Calling up Naval Reservists is fun....as is getting them to a port of call, making sure none of them have CV, and getting them aboard and spun up on running a cruise ship now hospital ship.

      None of these things happen overnight. It took what, over a week, to get Comfort and Mercy into position and those are full-up hospital ships set up to be staffed by active duty personnel when needed, and holding at least a functioning stock of supplies and kit aboard at all times.

      It's sort of like someone offering to give a cruise liner to be used as a troop hauler for an amphibious landing, and then people bitching that it hasn't been converted to the role in two weeks. Can a liner be used as a hospital ship? Sure. Hell a bulk cargo ship can be used as a hospital. The latter might be quicker too as it's got large open holds where you can just wholesale dump mobile field hospitals into. A cruise liner would need quite a bit of work to be made into a functioning hospital ship, and some considerations would need to be taken to make sure it didn't turn into Diamond Princess 2, hospital ship boogaloo.
      Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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      • #4
        2 things I can probably think of:

        1) Carnival is being a bit optimistic about how quickly they can convert a cruise liner into a hospital ship.

        2) Carnival is wanting to be PAID handsomely, after all CV is sort of murdering the cruise industry right now.

        3) Calling up Naval Reservists is fun....as is getting them to a port of call, making sure none of them have CV, and getting them aboard and spun up on running a cruise ship now hospital ship.
        4 Would be getting the equipment together. Theres not enough critical items like ventilators, masks, ect... for the existing hospitals. Whats the point in calling up a bunch of reservists with no fresh training for this & sending to a ship without critical equipment. Better to send them to existing hospitals where they can get OJT experience and be some relief to the staff.

        5. A high portion of Navy reservists (or Army & Air Force) with medical training are already employed in hospitals. A non selective call up of reservists would cut staff in existing hospital teams. So no net gain from those numbers.

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        • #5
          Yeah, number 5 is really rather relevant. Actually, in a flip to the other MOSs, medical reservists sometimes are quite a bit better than their full time counterparts, due to having a more diverse skillset from their day jobs. We certainly don't want to strip hospitals nationwide of some of their more competent people when those hospitals might need them. Also, I'm not certain if we COULD either, since reservists in certain essential jobs have regularly gotten exempted from call ups...and I think that an exemption would be found for deploying to NYC for CV relief duties when they're already up to or likely to be up to their elbows in CV duties at their own hospitals.
          Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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          • #6
            Ummmmmm guys..................

            They would be utilized like USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy...........taking regular hospital patients transferred to them in order to free up beds in the state and local hospitals for COVID-19 patients.
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            • #7
              Might as well start converting them, even if it takes two months, this is going to last a long time.

              I think I head Dr. Campbell from the UK say that people had been infected on one of cruiser boats through the AC system, is it aerosol?

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              • #8
                It is. Probably not as effective a transmission method. But it will maintain in the air for a bit. And closed loop ac would help transmit if the infected are inside the system.
                Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Salinator View Post
                  Ummmmmm guys..................

                  They would be utilized like USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy...........taking regular hospital patients transferred to them in order to free up beds in the state and local hospitals for COVID-19 patients.
                  Thank you.
                  Your reading comprehension is impressive, by local standards.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
                    2 things I can probably think of:

                    1) Carnival is being a bit optimistic about how quickly they can convert a cruise liner into a hospital ship.

                    2) Carnival is wanting to be PAID handsomely, after all CV is sort of murdering the cruise industry right now.

                    3) Calling up Naval Reservists is fun....as is getting them to a port of call, making sure none of them have CV, and getting them aboard and spun up on running a cruise ship now hospital ship.

                    None of these things happen overnight. It took what, over a week, to get Comfort and Mercy into position and those are full-up hospital ships set up to be staffed by active duty personnel when needed, and holding at least a functioning stock of supplies and kit aboard at all times.

                    It's sort of like someone offering to give a cruise liner to be used as a troop hauler for an amphibious landing, and then people bitching that it hasn't been converted to the role in two weeks. Can a liner be used as a hospital ship? Sure. Hell a bulk cargo ship can be used as a hospital. The latter might be quicker too as it's got large open holds where you can just wholesale dump mobile field hospitals into. A cruise liner would need quite a bit of work to be made into a functioning hospital ship, and some considerations would need to be taken to make sure it didn't turn into Diamond Princess 2, hospital ship boogaloo.
                    Re using a cruise liner as a troop ship.

                    The Argentines invaded the Falklands on 2nd April 1982. At the time Canberra was in the Mediterranean. She left the UK loaded with troops on 9th April for the South Atlantic. It doesn’t take long to convert a cruise liner into a troop transport.

                    It took a month from decision to readiness to convert the Britannic to a hospital ship in ww1 but that may have included work to make sure that the ship was sound as she had been laid up previously.
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                    • #11
                      That was another time with other equipment requirements.
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