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  • Originally posted by Massena View Post
    Here is some related information:-the bottom line is that the anti-malaria drug is not been proven to be effective against COVID-19 and that is Dr Fauci's point-and that should be the point for anyone with a lick of common sense.

    1.https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/fauci...l&uh_test=1_02

    r. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease specialist, warned in early 2017 that a “surprise outbreak” would occur during the Trump administration, and he said that more needed to be done to prepare for a pandemic.

    “There is no question that there will be a challenge to the coming administration in the arena of infectious diseases,” he said in a speech titled “Pandemic Preparedness in the Next Administration” at Georgetown University Medical Center. He delivered it just days before Trump was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2017.

    Fauci, who has overseen the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, warned that looming health challenges would involve both chronic diseases ― ones already ongoing ― as well as “a surprise outbreak.”

    2.https://news.yahoo.com/trump-stopped...l&uh_test=1_02
    • President Donald Trump on Sunday did not let Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, weigh in on what he thought about using hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug, on patients with COVID-19.
    • Cutting across Fauci, who did not speak until late in the press conference at the request of a reporter, Trump said: "He answered that question 15 times."
    • The US government had stockpiled 29 million hydroxychloroquine pills for treatment, despite having only anecdotal evidence so far of their effect on COVID-19. The drug is usually used for malaria or lupus, but it is among several drugs being researched as treatments for the novel coronavirus.
    • Trump's dismissal came a day after the coronavirus task force was said to have had a confrontation over the way the White House should characterize hydroxychloroquine.
    Definitive studies


    If we wait for definitive studies to be done, we will be into 2023.

    This is an emergent situation. We don't have time to wait for definitive studies to give us answers. We are the definitive study right now.

    None of the measures short of wearing N95 masks and gowns have been Proven effective at stopping viral spread. So should we not do anything but that?
    Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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    • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
      So should we not do anything but that?
      Yes you shouldnt do more stupid stuff. Your government has killed enough people by now and should stick to what the experts say. Its a bad advice if you follow every dumb word that comes out of your dear leaders mouth. If kim jong trump says malaria medicine will cure cancer, lets use it. This is so idiotic.

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      • Originally posted by Judith View Post

        Yes you shouldnt do more stupid stuff. Your government has killed enough people by now and should stick to what the experts say. Its a bad advice if you follow every dumb word that comes out of your dear leaders mouth. If kim jong trump says malaria medicine will cure cancer, lets use it. This is so idiotic.
        How about a poll of 6000 doctors who are treating the virus currently?

        You'd fiddle while Rome burns, waiting for someone to do a definitive study of bucket brigades and whether sand or water is more effective as a fire retardant, rather than grabbing a bucket.

        But you know, on principle I'm fine with it as a personal choice. If anyone gets CV and decides that they only want things that have been 'definitively proven' by 'multiple peer reviewed studies' to be effective.....then let them live or die on that decision.

        If others would like to try a promising albeit currently 'experimental' treatment, then let them live or die on that decision.
        Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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        • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post
          None of the measures short of wearing N95 masks and gowns have been Proven effective at stopping viral spread. So should we not do anything but that ?
          Quarantine and basic hygienic measures have shown time and again they can stop a viral outbreak, in more recent history in Africa, or medieval times, I've heard they're even mentioned in the Bible

          20 ‘But the man who is unclean and does not purify himself, that person shall be cut off from among the assembly, because he has defiled the sanctuary of the Lord.
          Even now you can see infection rates begin to stabilise in areas that applied 'historical' remedies, but it appears there are no easy shortcuts, yet...
          Last edited by Snowygerry; 06 Apr 20, 10:09.
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          • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post

            Definitive studies


            If we wait for definitive studies to be done, we will be into 2023.

            This is an emergent situation. We don't have time to wait for definitive studies to give us answers. We are the definitive study right now.

            None of the measures short of wearing N95 masks and gowns have been Proven effective at stopping viral spread. So should we not do anything but that?
            The side effects of the malaria medication can hurt more than help. If you want the 'definitive study' right now, then write your congressman.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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            • Originally posted by Massena View Post

              The side effects of the malaria medication can hurt more than help. If you want the 'definitive study' right now, then write your congressman.
              I want people to be allowed to choose between Nothing and 'experimental, might work, might have side effects'.

              I'm conservative/libertarian....I want the people to have control of their own lives, not the elitists and their propogandists.
              Tacitos, Satrap of Kyrene

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              • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post

                I want people to be allowed to choose between Nothing and 'experimental, might work, might have side effects'.

                I'm conservative/libertarian....I want the people to have control of their own lives, not the elitists and their propogandists.
                That being the case, for yourself ignore the advice and expertise of senior medical people like Dr Fauci and take the malaria medication and see what happens. I suggest that the problem is the 'libertarian' aspect. More useless ideology...
                We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                  Well, given all the messes the "pros" have caused in the last few decades is it so strange that we still listen to them at all...?
                  You hate the American government and your elected officials. You don't have to stay in America if you hate it so much.
                  Btw, all these pros you speak of are republican. You vote for them, not me. I vote middle class

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                  • Didier Raoult from France is turning into a malaria-drug promoting meme.
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                    • Originally posted by Massena View Post

                      So you would rather listen to, and put your faith in a demagogue and serial liar?
                      Actually, neither. But, we both know that's not going to happen.

                      Worse, the alternative for the 2020 Presidential election appears to be shaping up to be between the Internet Troll and the Crazy Uncle. Not much choice there either.

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                      • Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                        You hate the American government and your elected officials. You don't have to stay in America if you hate it so much.
                        Btw, all these pros you speak of are republican. You vote for them, not me. I vote middle class
                        I like America very much. I just despise our politicians. That has been an all-American pastime since the nation was formed. Unlike you, I don't equate the greatness of America with the government. I think the US government is just a big problem and major drag on the advancement of the nation. The majority of the "pros" in government are actually Democrats, but who's counting. Nobody votes for them. They are the "civil service" bureaucracy that is neither civil or serving.

                        In fact, one could easily make the argument that since FDR, the US has largely failed to do much in the way of great things.

                        As for "I vote middle class," what the hell does that even mean?

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                        • Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                          I like America very much. I just despise our politicians.
                          Then stop electing the same people maybe?
                          That has been an all-American pastime since the nation was formed
                          .
                          ? Despising elected officials has been an all-American pastime since the nation was formed? Maybe in your culture.
                          Unlike you, I don't equate the greatness of America with the government.
                          Unlike you, I don't blame the government for everything.
                          I think the US government is just a big problem and major drag on the advancement of the nation.
                          Of course you do, that's part of being in the conservative culture. You must all share the same beliefs. This propaganda has been going on since the nation was founded.
                          The majority of the "pros" in government are actually Democrats, but who's counting. Nobody votes for them. They are the "civil service" bureaucracy that is neither civil or serving.
                          Moscow Mitch would disagree. You see, Democrats typically don't cry about their elected officials not listening to them. Democrats understand that the government should help in certain cases. Democrats feel the middle and lower class workers should be given the gubment freebies, not crooked corporations.

                          In fact, one could easily make the argument that since FDR, the US has largely failed to do much in the way of great things.
                          Stop voting for the lesser evil.

                          As for "I vote middle class," what the hell does that even mean?
                          Means nothing to a republican. There are no middle class policies in the republican party. It's never talked about, discussed, nothing. Everything is capitalist/corporate orientated. Just how you like it.

                          As mentioned, if you hate the people you elect then you're not learning from past mistakes.

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                          • Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                            Then stop electing the same people maybe?
                            I can only cast one vote out of millions. Can I help it if a majority of Americans are idiots?
                            .
                            ? Despising elected officials has been an all-American pastime since the nation was formed? Maybe in your culture.
                            You obviously have no grasp of US history. Do you think that Americans were all love and kisses with their politicians in the years leading up to the Civil War? Washington left office after his Presidency vilified by the press and public.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...lar-president/

                            Ever hear of "Yellow Journalism?" How about "Muck racking?" The press loves to hate politicians. So does the public.

                            Hating politicians is an American pastime. Always has been, probably always will be.

                            Unlike you, I don't blame the government for everything.
                            I don't blame government for everything. I blame government for the stuff it does.

                            Of course you do, that's part of being in the conservative culture. You must all share the same beliefs. This propaganda has been going on since the nation was founded.
                            Your response is an ad hominem.

                            Moscow Mitch would disagree. You see, Democrats typically don't cry about their elected officials not listening to them. Democrats understand that the government should help in certain cases. Democrats feel the middle and lower class workers should be given the gubment freebies, not crooked corporations.
                            Well, given this response, it would seem Democrats are oblivious idiots not to care about their elected officials not listening to them. Why should anyone be given "gubmint freebies?" What Right does anyone have to stuff they haven't earned?

                            Stop voting for the lesser evil.


                            Unfortunately Cthulhu isn't on the ballot...


                            Means nothing to a republican. There are no middle class policies in the republican party. It's never talked about, discussed, nothing. Everything is capitalist/corporate orientated. Just how you like it.

                            As mentioned, if you hate the people you elect then you're not learning from past mistakes.
                            Except, that as you move Left on the political spectrum the Middle Class tends to disappear. Leftist nations tend to have a monied elite and a mass of poor and dispossessed. The latest example of that is Venezuela. After all,



                            The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen More government doesn't equal more freedom. Now, if you like remaining a child-like person your whole life reliant on a paternalistic government for its largesse, I guess you can try and do that. As for me, I'd prefer the harder course of being a self-reliant adult and responsible for my self and actions.

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                            • In fact, one could easily make the argument that since FDR, the US has largely failed to do much in the way of great things.
                              Did you pass this on to Neil Armstrong you______________________________________________
                              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                              • Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                                Did you pass this on to Neil Armstrong you______________________________________________
                                Which part of "largely" did you miss? Sure, the US went to the Moon with the Apollo program but then the government failed to do anything beyond that. There was no move to commercialization, privatization, or eventual exploitation of that success. Instead, it remained largely nothing more than a very expensive publicity stunt.

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