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  • Maybe there wasn't much more than Moon dust.

    The defeat of the USSR and the end of the Cold War seems rather impressive as well
    "Ask not what your country can do for you"

    Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

    you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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    • Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
      Didier Raoult from France is turning into a malaria-drug promoting meme.
      Is the malaria solution another new alt right meme?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsbYHn9c2YI
      Zhitomir-Berdichev, West of Kiev: 24 Dec 1943-31 Jan 1944
      Stalin's Favorite: The Combat History of the 2nd Guards Tank Army
      Barbarossa Derailed I & II
      Battle of Kalinin October 1941

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      • Trump's ignorance, neglect, and incompetence led his to ignore the potential pandemic for 70 days after being warned about it:

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
        It’s been a few weeks since West Virginia became the last state to confirm its residents had contracted the novel coronavirus at the heart of the pandemic. It’s been more than a week since Deborah Birx, a leading figure on the White House coronavirus task force,
        said
        nearly 40 percent of the country had “a low level of cases.” That figure derived from her estimate that 19 states had fewer than 200 confirmed cases — and ignored that those 19 states made up only 8 percent of the country’s population.

        Only two states, Wyoming and Alaska, still have fewer than 200 cases.

        Nonetheless, the coronavirus task force’s briefings continue to include assurances that most of the country isn’t at risk of being overwhelmed by the virus. On Friday, President Trump indicated he wasn’t concerned about states that hadn’t implemented restrictions on travel.

        “I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they’re doing,” Trump said. “They’ve been doing a great job. I guess we’re close to 90 percent anyway. And the states that we’re talking about are not in jeopardy.”

        Five states still have no stay-at-home orders: the Dakotas, Arkansas, Iowa and Nebraska. To say that they are “not in jeopardy,” though, is quite wrong.

        Birx, speaking on Sunday, put it differently. She unveiled revised versions of graphs that appeared Tuesday when the White House first announced projections that more than 100,000 Americans were likely to die of the virus. One showed the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in each state relative to the state’s population.

        It looked something like this: New York and New Jersey continue to be the most-affected states, with Louisiana surging behind them. The District of Columbia was distinguishable from the pack, Birx noted, which it hadn’t been last week.


        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • Originally posted by TacCovert4 View Post

          I've started to see studies coming out. I look forward to making you eat your words with this endless string of bullshite from the MSM about how a 'possible' treatment 'won't work'.

          The studies are currently showing that hydroxychloroquine and azithromicin is proving to be one of the most effective treatment regimens for novel coronavirus symptoms.

          Primary reason for quoting this: To preserve it for posterity so it cannot be edited or destroyed. This argument is one borne of reckless hatred, and I look forward to the opportunity to execute this argument with prejudice.
          Perhaps you can 'digest' this? Using anecdotal evidence to 'approve' a drug for use is anti-science and against valid medical advice. And the potential side effects of the anti-malaria drug are deadly. Have you ever taken anti-malaria 'medication'? I have and its basically a low-order poison.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

          As he stares down a pandemic, economic collapse and a political crisis of his own, President Trump thinks he may have found a silver bullet: hydroxychloroquine.

          He hears about the controversial anti-malarial drug on the phone from friends in New York, including from his personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani. He hears about it in White House meetings from some advisers eager to please the boss, who share anecdotes of the drug working on covid-19 patients. And he hears about it on television, from physicians on Fox News Channel panels who tout its efficacy.

          In fact, Fox host Laura Ingraham and two doctors who are regular on-air guests in what she dubs her “medicine cabinet” visited the White House last Friday for a private meeting with Trump to talk up the drug, according to two White House officials and another person familiar with the meeting.

          Never mind that hydroxychloroquine is an unproven treatment for covid-19 and is still in the testing stages, or that it has dangerous side effects for some, or that medical professionals are divided on its capability. The infectious-disease expert on Trump’s coronavirus task force, Anthony S. Fauci, has privately pleaded with the president to be more cautious.

          But Trump — who famously has said he trusts his gut more than anything an expert could counsel him — is again letting his impulses guide what he tells a locked-down nation eager to return to normal.

          In the past several days, he has been advocating that people infected with the novel coronavirus consider taking hydroxychloroquine in consultation with their doctors. He remarked Sunday that “a lot of people are saying” patients should take the drug and called it “a very special thing.”

          As the president has said repeatedly, “What do you have to lose?”

          Trump’s swift embrace of hydroxychloroquine — as well as azithromycin, which he has hyped as “one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine” — illustrates the degree to which the president prioritizes anecdote and feeling over science and fact. It also has provoked an ugly divide within a White House already besieged as it struggles to make up for lost time in slowing the spread of the coronavirus.

          The president has frequently clashed with or undercut scientists leading the effort against the virus, from equivocating on whether to wear masks in public to repeatedly pressing to reopen businesses sooner than advised by public health experts.

          Hydroxychloroquine is still being studied for its effectiveness in treating covid-19, the disease the virus causes, but the Food and Drug Administration already has approved it for malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. That means doctors can prescribe the drug for covid-19 or other ailments on an off-label basis. The agency also has authorized the emergency use of the drug from the Strategic National Stockpile for certain hospitalized patients.

          Many doctors are reportedly taking the medication themselves as a potential preventive measure and are giving it to their patients, especially in New York, which has by far the largest number of coronavirus cases in the country.

          Kenneth E. Raske, chief executive of the Greater New York Hospital Association, which represents all of New York City’s hospitals, said clinicians have reported that “the jury is still out” on the drug. Still, he said he did not believe the side effects were so deleterious that it should be avoided.

          “We’re using those drugs extensively,” Raske said. “It’s not as if this is a distant conversation. The drug has been around for a long time. I think everybody is going into this eyes wide open.”

          Over the weekend, Trump’s task force decided to rush-deliver hydroxychloroquine to hospitals and pharmacies in the New York area, Detroit, New Orleans and other coronavirus hot zones, provided that the medicine be administered to patients only on the advice of their doctors.

          “In peacetime, the conservative approach would be correct,” Peter Navarro, a trade adviser who recently was named the administration’s Defense Production Act policy coordinator, said in an interview. “In wartime, with the potential of mass casualties, you may have to be more forward-leaning and accept additional risk.”

          The action came after Trump met with Ingraham, who has been enthusiastically promoting hydroxychloroquine on her 10 p.m. show. She brought along two guests of her program — Ramin Oskoui, a Washington-based cardiologist, and Stephen Smith, a New Jersey-based infectious disease specialist — and Trump asked that FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn attend as well.

          Smith made a detailed presentation to Trump about his view on treatment, putting an emphasis on the benefits of hydroxychloroquine based on his own experiences and studies, according to two White House officials and a person familiar with the meeting, who, like some other officials interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to offer a candid assessment.

          Trump listened intently, they said, and emerged from that meeting seemingly determined to advocate for hydroxychloroquine to be more widely used.

          Smith, who has known Fauci, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, for decades and has treated more than 100 covid-19 patients, said in an interview Monday that he walked Trump through a spreadsheet and other documents about how hydroxychloroquine works and its uses during hospitalization.

          “I’m a guy who looks at data,” Smith said. “I came as a scientist and physician. I trained under Dr. Fauci and respect him a lot.” He described Hahn as “supportive.”

          The FDA declined to comment on the meeting. A senior administration official said the session appeared to be an effort to press Trump to ratchet up his public support for the drug. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the matter, said Hahn has been flexible in handling the drug but wasn’t comfortable endorsing it before trials are completed. Efforts to reach Oskoui by email and phone were not successful.

          During Saturday’s task force meeting, Navarro pushed hard for the drug. He showed up with a folder of statistics and papers to forcefully argue the case for using the drug and got into a fight with Fauci over its efficacy, as first reported by Axios.

          Navarro said the disagreement “isn’t a real debate. It’s Kabuki theater for political junkies.” Earlier, however, Navarro sounded provocative during an appearance on “Fox & Friends,” a morning show Trump often watches.

          “I think history will judge who’s right on this debate, but I’d bet on President Trump’s intuition on this one,” he said.

          The tension between Trump’s faith in an unproven drug and the reticence of public health experts to endorse it was evident at Sunday’s White House news conference, when CNN correspondent Jeremy Diamond asked Fauci for his opinion on hydroxychloroquine. Trump interrupted and said Fauci did not have to answer the question, and he scolded Diamond for asking. Fauci was silent.

          White House spokesman Hogan Gidley insisted “there is no daylight” between Trump and Fauci regarding the drug and accused the media of trying to create “soap opera-like drama.”

          Hydroxychloroquine has a number of serious side effects, chief among them its impact on the “QT interval” — the time it takes for the heart’s electrical system to reset between contractions, which push blood into the vascular system and around the body, according to Mark Gladwin, chairman of the Department of Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. This raises the risk of heart arrhythmias — irregular heartbeats — that can be fatal, he said.

          With many covid-19 patients arriving at hospitals as emergencies, it is not always possible for doctors to know what other drugs a patient is taking or conduct an electrocardiogram, making use of the drug dangerous, Gladwin said.

          Because hydroxychloroquine hasn’t been studied in valid large-scale research, doctors can’t know the appropriate dose for any covid-19 patient. Also, the disease is causing a heart infection, myocarditis, in some of the most seriously ill patients.

          The heart may already be involved in this virus,” Gladwin said. “And now we’re adding a drug that prolongs the QT [interval]. We have no idea what that will do in the setting of a patient with covid-19.”

          Scott Gottlieb, who served as FDA commissioner earlier in the Trump administration, said the data on hydroxychloroquine is “very preliminary” and the drug has been used widely in the United States and Europe without “any obvious benefit.” Clinical trial data is needed, he said. Meanwhile, he added, “We should focus on the drugs that are most likely to be transformative,” such as antibody drugs that are under study.

          FDA spokesman Michael Felberbaum said, “The FDA’s role is to make independent, science-based decisions to bring new therapies to sick patients as quickly as possible, while at the same time supporting research to further evaluate whether these medical countermeasures are safe and effective for treating patients infected with this novel virus.”

          Hydroxychloroquine had rarely come up in official task force meetings before Saturday’s explosive Navarro-Fauci discussion, which ended only after Vice President Pence and senior adviser Jared Kushner stepped in, according to a person with direct knowledge of the discussions.

          Trump’s focus on hydroxychloroquine stems from a place of desperation and an optimism that the drug will work, even if the science is not conclusive, allies said. As one person put it, “The president lives in a world of wishes and hope.”

          “It’s the only thing anyone has held out as offering an immediate reprieve from what’s become his greatest challenge — and political threat,” said a former senior administration official. This official described the president’s “overwhelming desire for a silver bullet to make it all go away.”

          Trump’s aides are giving him reason to believe. White House officials compiled upbeat news articles about people who said they were helped by the experimental drug to give to the president. And on Monday, an email blast went out to administration aides with the subject: “CORONAVIRUS FLAG: LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19,” linking to a story from KABC in Los Angeles.

          “The president is talking to so many people in New York — friends, Wall Street guys, real estate guys,” one White House official said. “He’s hearing about this drug and he’s seeing his own optimism repeated back to him on Fox News. It’s all self-reinforcing. An echo chamber.”

          Trump has pressured Hahn to make more favorable statements about hydroxychloroquine and has regularly raised it with him, according to two White House officials with knowledge of the discussions.

          At times, Trump has grown frustrated because some of the doctors in his administration — including Hahn and Fauci — have conceded privately that there is some anecdotal evidence the drug may work, but will not state so publicly at the president’s news conferences, these officials said.

          Another regular on Fox News, New York-based oncologist William Grace, has suddenly emerged as an influential voice in Trump’s orbit despite having no formal links to the government. Grace has appeared regularly on Ingraham’s show touting hydroxychloroquine.

          Grace said in an interview that as he has tracked the pandemic as a self-described “interested physician,” he has become convinced that the “drugs are working, that fewer people are having to go to the respirators at places like Lenox Hill hospital.”

          Grace is not a spokesman for the hospital or approved to speak about its use of hydroxychloroquine on patients. When Ingraham posted a tweet on March 20 about Grace’s comments regarding the hospital, Twitter deleted it for violating the platform’s policies, and the hospital said in a statement that “his views are his own and do not represent the hospital.”

          Grace has continued to speak out, and has been communicating with Navarro.

          “I don’t know of a single institution anywhere that’s not treating inpatients with hydroxychloroquine,” Grace said. “It’s being implemented very quickly all over. You’ve never seen such speed.”

          Peter Lurie, a top FDA official in the Obama administration who is now president of Center for Science in the Public Interest, said he was concerned that Trump’s campaign for hydroxychloroquine undercuts the FDA’s fundamental philosophy on approving drugs.

          “When the president says, ‘What have you got to lose?’ that is profoundly different than what the science-based agencies have been trying to communicate to the public for decades,” Lurie said.

          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • Doesn't read, doesn't listen...doesn't act appropriately.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

            President Trump on Tuesday said he had not seen memos from one of his top trade advisers warning in January of the consequences of a potential pandemic, but denied he would have acted differently if he had.

            The president was asked at a coronavirus press briefing about memos from Peter Navarro in which the trade adviser outlined the economic and public health problems that could arise if the virus spread from mainland China.
            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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              • We are not now that strength which in old days
                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • Originally posted by OttoHarkaman View Post
                  Sounds like a Truump quote
                  "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                  Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                  you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                  • We are not now that strength which in old days
                    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                    • Originally posted by Massena View Post
                      Doesn't read, doesn't listen...doesn't act appropriately.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                      President Trump on Tuesday said he had not seen memos from one of his top trade advisers warning in January of the consequences of a potential pandemic, but denied he would have acted differently if he had.

                      The president was asked at a coronavirus press briefing about memos from Peter Navarro in which the trade adviser outlined the economic and public health problems that could arise if the virus spread from mainland China.
                      This whole line of Trump bashing is nothing but a logical fallacy. To wit, it amounts to a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. That is, the report warned of possible future events and now that those events have proven true, Trump should be bashed for not taking the report seriously.

                      Well, what if the Covid-19 outbreak didn't happen worldwide? Would those using this report to bash Trump still use it? After all, in this alternate scenario the report's warnings didn't pan out...

                      A ton of hindsight is worth an ounce of foresight. Here you have the MSM bashing Trump for not recognizing a report produced by one of dozens or more of underlings that happened to correctly forecast (to a fair degree) future events. That Trump neither looked at or acted on this report is of minor significance at worst, and irrelevant at best.

                      Yet, it is one more thing those who hate Trump and everything the guy does can use to bash him. To them I say, Come back when you have something relevant to show me because this is just more of your Chicken Little "The sky is falling!" nonsense.

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                      • Stand up for Trump, no matter now ineffective or incompetent he is or how many lies he tells the country. And he doesn't listen and clearly doesn't read...
                        We are not now that strength which in old days
                        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                        • Originally posted by Massena View Post


                          Stand up for Trump, no matter now ineffective or incompetent he is or how many lies he tells the country. And he doesn't listen and clearly doesn't read...
                          Not at all. I am trying to be fair and objective here, while you want to pursue a course of TDS Trump bashing. That Trump didn't look at (according to him, and his position is a reasonable one) a report by a minor underling about Covid-19 and then have the foresight to act on that report by a minor underling, does not equate to some major screw up by him now. Instead, it amounts to Trump bashing using the aforementioned logical fallacy.

                          Do you act on all advice or on everything others tell you? Are you omniscient of the future? Can you predict the winning numbers for next week's lottery? That's what is happening with this report. The TDS crowd found a report that predicted--to a degree--the now known outcome. They are claiming that Trump should have known that it was accurate and acted on it.

                          Tell you what, I randomly picked one of thousands of such sites:

                          https://lotterypredictor.com/

                          Act on their information and see if you win the lottery.

                          Same thing as this report only more exaggerated for illustration.

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                          • I guess he cannot help himself. Trump has to pick a fight, belittle, or denigrate someone no matter what the circumstances.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pr...cid=spartandhp


                            Governors from across the U.S. whose states are at various points in the coronavirus pandemic response spoke out this week, with some critical of the absence of a sweeping federal policy. - Bloomberg


                            Many governors have been tempered in their criticisms, acknowledging the need for a solid working relationship with the president as the crisis continued to grow. – The New York Times


                            Trump first fueled the flames of suspected partisanship last month when he urged Vice President Mike Pence not to call governors in affected states if they criticized the federal response. – ABC News
                            We are not now that strength which in old days
                            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                            • Didn't DJT once say the CV was a Democrates hoax
                              "Ask not what your country can do for you"

                              Left wing, Right Wing same bird that they are killing.

                              you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

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                              • I don't remember if he did or not. However, facts he disagrees with he likes to falsely label as a 'hoax.'
                                We are not now that strength which in old days
                                Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                                Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                                To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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