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  • #16
    Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
    A point that is being missed by everyone is how the CIA spied on the REST of the ENTIRE world (with the noted exceptions of Russia and China, who refused to buy the machines.)

    It was pointed out how the CIA regards every country as a target, could not distinguish between enemy and allies, and generally refused to share collected intelligence between supposed allies.
    So? Every nation proceeds on that basis. I had a friend whose father was in US Army intelligence and he showed up on time with some maps of Mexico-- one of those college party trips-- which had been used (there was stuff marked on them) for planning a hypothetical invasion of Mexico on them...

    Why shouldn't the US or China, or whoever, plan for contingencies against even friendly states?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

      Why? For their intelligence agencies doing a good job? Of course the people in the CIA thought it was a good idea, because it was A GOOD IDEA!
      Why? Germany and the US share the same burden in this joint venture with Crypto AG

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

        I think it was a brilliant plan, if it was used to avoid conflicts and to give the west an upper hand in the negotiations process.
        I have no doubts these types of operation are carried out all the time by many countries.
        Of course it's what you'd expect the CIA/FBI to do. The reason it's an issue today is because the Swiss were supposed to be a 'Neutral" state back then.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
          Why? Germany and the US share the same burden in this joint venture with Crypto AG

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
            A point that is being missed by everyone is how the CIA spied on the REST of the ENTIRE world (with the noted exceptions of Russia and China, who refused to buy the machines.)

            It was pointed out how the CIA regards every country as a target, could not distinguish between enemy and allies, and generally refused to share collected intelligence between supposed allies.
            By that reasoning, the NSA should not be treating every US citizen as a potential enemy.

            Do you think they ever will?
            Do you think they should?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Phaing View Post
              By that reasoning, the NSA should not be treating every US citizen as a potential enemy.

              Do you think they ever will?
              Do you think they should?
              Not sure how that non sequitur arose, but the NSA is just an organization run by people. It makes no distinction between friendlies and enemies. It simply wants to know what everyone is thinking at any time and will use any excuse to justify its existence and goals. The lives and property lost on 9-11 pale in comparison to the egregious invasion of privacy made by the NSA in the false name of security.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
                Not sure how that non sequitur arose, but the NSA is just an organization run by people. It makes no distinction between friendlies and enemies. It simply wants to know what everyone is thinking at any time and will use any excuse to justify its existence and goals.
                So it's about the same as the CIA then.

                Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
                The lives and property lost on 9-11 pale in comparison to the egregious invasion of privacy made by the NSA in the false name of security.
                Yes.
                Total agreement.
                And did you know that the NSA is Ten times the size of the CIA?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                  Of course it's what you'd expect the CIA/FBI to do. The reason it's an issue today is because the Swiss were supposed to be a 'Neutral" state back then.
                  Sure they are neutral, (which means they do business with all sides of any conflict ) and you don't think they have an intelligence service doing the same thing?
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