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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cult Icon View Post
    Bloomberg has been flooding news channels with his advertisements- he bought a lot of space
    This is why I talked before about his marketing approach to politics. Of course, obviously, there was always the marketing aspect, but Bloomberg opens a new avenue in which marketing is the only thing that will be left in politics. And unfortunately, his approach may prove to be effective. Ads (including negative ads) may prove to be more effective than trying to explain ij detail some policy regarding how the candidate plans to accomplish certain objectives. Let's not forget that Trump's plans in 2016 elections were just about expressing objectives with zero details about how these objectives could be accomplished. Classic example was the wall and its funding which would come from supposedly Mexico (and not from shuffling funds appropriated by the US Congress). If politicians can sell such BS, then this creates a precedent for other candidates to emulate such "success."
    My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Nichols View Post

      More like a safe place for the middle of the road democrats.

      From trying to control the size of soda drinks to his zeal against guns....very few republicans would vote for him in my opinion.

      If the DNC picks anyone else besides him to run against Trump, I can see him running as an independent which would probably have the same effect that Perot had on the GOP in 92.
      um stop calling me a dem. but remember people like me would chose him over Trump and I am a rep. Now toss bernine up there and I am wondering if would be better. Hence safe space.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by craven View Post

        um stop calling me a dem. but remember people like me would chose him over Trump and I am a rep. Now toss bernine up there and I am wondering if would be better. Hence safe space.
        I wasn't calling you a democrat, I thought you were a indendent.

        Bloomberg has too much baggage, he'll split the indendents as surely as he'll split the democrats if he runs as an independent.....Ross 2.0
        "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Nichols View Post

          I wasn't calling you a democrat, I thought you were a indendent.

          Bloomberg has too much baggage, he'll split the indendents as surely as he'll split the democrats if he runs as an independent.....Ross 2.0
          Excellent point- the Donald , being completely baggage free, was 'the natural Republican Candidate...."
          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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          • #20
            Originally posted by marktwain View Post

            Excellent point- the Donald , being completely baggage free, was 'the natural Republican Candidate...."
            He overpowered the GOP. Sanders was doing the same with the DNC but then Clinton bought them out.
            "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Nichols View Post

              He overpowered the GOP. Sanders was doing the same with the DNC but then Clinton bought them out.
              Most likely with a combination of money and subtle threats to expose them...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

                Most likely with a combination of money and subtle threats to expose them...
                I don't think anyone was really ready for Trump. The GOP allowed him to run in thier party probably thinking he wouldn't get very far with the voters but at least it would look like they didn't fix the primaries.
                "I don't discuss sitting presidents," Mattis tells NPR in an interview. "I believe that you owe a period of quiet."

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                  I don't think anyone was really ready for Trump. The GOP allowed him to run in thier party probably thinking he wouldn't get very far with the voters but at least it would look like they didn't fix the primaries.
                  Well, we know Hillary got 100% of the cemetery vote nationwide...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                    Excellent point- the Donald , being completely baggage free, was 'the natural Republican Candidate...."
                    Trump was never baggage free, the point was that we knew what his baggage was for good or ill.
                    The guy has made it a point to be public about almost everything.
                    People were used to him and wouldn't really be surprised if he said bad things that hurt some feelings.

                    For instance, did dems really think that if trump really said "grab them by the Pu***" people would be surprised or care?

                    I think he is positioned outside of the typical dem tactic of trying to destroy candidates with innuendo. (See Kavanaugh for a good example)
                    Just an opinion.
                    Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                    Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                      Trump was never baggage free, the point was that we knew what his baggage was for good or ill.
                      The guy has made it a point to be public about almost everything.
                      People were used to him and wouldn't really be surprised if he said bad things that hurt some feelings.

                      For instance, did dems really think that if trump really said "grab them by the Pu***" people would be surprised or care?

                      I think he is positioned outside of the typical dem tactic of trying to destroy candidates with innuendo. (See Kavanaugh for a good example)
                      Just an opinion.
                      Until he became a politician. Then the tune changed and he started by hiding his taxes and now he is the first president who orders his whole executive branch to hide and not testify in a case which the Congress wanted to investigate. Other than that, Trump is public about thing like insulting opponents and such stuff.

                      Correct, many people would not care if Trump grabbed a woman by the pu** just like they do not care now if Trump abused his power to violate Congressional laws and grab Ukraine's pu*** to get dirt for a political opponent.
                      Last edited by pamak; 31 Jan 20, 09:30.
                      My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by pamak View Post

                        Until he became a politician. Then the tune changed and he started by hiding his taxes and now he is the first president who orders his whole executive branch to hide and not testify in a case which the Congress wanted to investigate. Other than that, Trump is public about thing like insulting opponents and such stuff.

                        Correct, many people would not care if Trump grabbed a woman by the pu** just like they do not care now if Trump abused his power to violate Congressional laws and grab Ukraine's pu*** to get dirt for a political opponent.
                        I love how you assume your personal impressions are facts.

                        "Started hiding his taxes"?
                        Are you saying he made his tax returns public before running for office? I don't think that is true.
                        And, as should be obvious, there is no obligation to publish tax returns no matter what the dems say. (what dems say isn't the same thing as fact)
                        It is merely something that voters can take into consideration when picking a candidate.

                        Are you sure that you want to pretend that trump is the only one who insults opponents?
                        Obama called all those who opposed him racists and ignorant. That is the standard dem party line.

                        Are you saying that trump was the first or only president to invoke executive privilege? Oops. You're wrong.

                        Yesterday, the Obama administration invoked executive privilege to prevent the release of certain documents to Congress related to Operation Fast and Furious, the arms-trafficking sting gone awry that came to light last year.
                        https://www.propublica.org/article/t...rivilege-claim

                        Your selective outrage is noted, but carries little weight or credibility.
                        As for Trump abusing power, I don't seem to recall there was any such judgment on that matter.
                        In other words, you are taking dem talking points as fact. Sorry but what dems tell you to think is different from actual facts.
                        Trump has been accused by the opposition of an act. That is rather different from a fact.

                        I get the idea you are just dying to try and argue with me about something, cause I sad nothing that could be considered a defense of trump. Just observations.

                        Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                        Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                          I love how you assume your personal impressions are facts.

                          "Started hiding his taxes"?
                          Are you saying he made his tax returns public before running for office? I don't think that is true.
                          And, as should be obvious, there is no obligation to publish tax returns no matter what the dems say. (what dems say isn't the same thing as fact)
                          It is merely something that voters can take into consideration when picking a candidate.

                          Are you sure that you want to pretend that trump is the only one who insults opponents?
                          Obama called all those who opposed him racists and ignorant. That is the standard dem party line.

                          Are you saying that trump was the first or only president to invoke executive privilege? Oops. You're wrong.

                          Yesterday, the Obama administration invoked executive privilege to prevent the release of certain documents to Congress related to Operation Fast and Furious, the arms-trafficking sting gone awry that came to light last year.
                          https://www.propublica.org/article/t...rivilege-claim

                          Your selective outrage is noted, but carries little weight or credibility.
                          As for Trump abusing power, I don't seem to recall there was any such judgment on that matter.
                          In other words, you are taking dem talking points as fact. Sorry but what dems tell you to think is different from actual facts.
                          Trump has been accused by the opposition of an act. That is rather different from a fact.

                          I get the idea you are just dying to try and argue with me about something, cause I sad nothing that could be considered a defense of trump. Just observations.
                          It s not a personal impressions that Trump chose to not reveal his taxes as other candidates have done.

                          I also said that Trump was the first and only president who chose to order ALL his executive staff to refuse to comply with any subpoena and not comply with any request to get any document. Obama gave thousands of pages before he exerted any executive privilege.

                          So, the claim that Trump supposedly makes a point to make everything about him public as you tried to claim is a farce.

                          As for the abuse of power, the point was about the reluctance of republican supporters to hear the facts in both the impeachment inquiry and the trial about that abuse.

                          I just want to set the record straight when you make claims which are detached from reality such as


                          Trump was never baggage free, the point was that we knew what his baggage was for good or ill.
                          The guy has made it a point to be public about almost everything.


                          My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by pamak View Post

                            It s not a personal impressions that Trump chose to not reveal his taxes as other candidates have done.

                            I also said that Trump was the first and only president who chose to order ALL his executive staff to refuse to comply with any subpoena and not comply with any request to get any document. Obama gave thousands of pages before he exerted any executive privilege.

                            So, the claim that Trump supposedly makes a point to make everything about him public as you tried to claim is a farce.

                            As for the abuse of power, the point was about the reluctance of republican supporters to hear the facts in both the impeachment inquiry and the trial about that abuse.

                            I just want to set the record straight when you make claims which are detached from reality such as


                            Trump was never baggage free, the point was that we knew what his baggage was for good or ill.
                            The guy has made it a point to be public about almost everything.

                            So when did trump make his returns public before running for office? I'm curious.
                            Did you lie about that?
                            You now seem to be agreeing with me that he didn't make public what no one else chooses to make public. He is just like everyone else, but it is a crime when he keeps his private returns private?

                            I see you are changing your point and now attempting to argue that when I said trump made made "almost" everything public I was wrong because he made something slightly less than almost everything public.
                            Last edited by Cambronnne; 31 Jan 20, 11:44.
                            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

                            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

                              So when did trump make his returns public before running for office? I'm curious.
                              Did you lie about that?
                              You now seem to be agreeing with me that he didn't make public what no one else chooses to make public. He is just like everyone else, but it is a crime when he keeps his private returns private?

                              I see you are changing your point and now attempting to argue that when I said trump made made "almost" everything public I was worng because he made something slightly less than almost everything public.
                              Do you understand what I am saying or are you still asleep?

                              I criticized Trump's tactic after he joined politics and became a candidate when it is customary for people in his position to reveal their tax returns! What people do BEFORE launching a presidential political campaign is irrelevant. If you are saying that it is not customary for private individuals to reveal their taxes in public, you make an irrelevant point. We know that!

                              So, you just make an irrelevant observation to avoid the obvious fact that I pointed which says that AFTER Trump decided to become a politician, he decided to be very secretive about his affairs compared to other people in his position. For the voter, Tump's level of transparency compared to other people when he was a celebrity is irrelevant.

                              Now drink some coffee and read again what I posted before you reply!
                              Last edited by pamak; 31 Jan 20, 11:12.
                              My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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                              • #30
                                Bloomberg is another rich Democrat who wants the rest of us to sacrifice what he is unwilling to.

                                As for Trump's tax returns, get over it. They were hidden away in Hilary's secret server.
                                Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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