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  • #16
    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

    That should be the new norm, stop playing footsie.
    I agree. Identify the head. Cut off same. Repeat.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

      So we should do nothing ...I get it now!
      What the US should do is have a national strategy that supports the US and our allies. The killing of Suleimani is a tactical success, but it is also a strategic failure. It has ended nothing and opened the US to attack where because of the nuclear agreement with Iran, the Middle East was a safer place. It isn't now and we have given Iran the excuse to follow nuclearization because of a trigger-happy president.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post


        How do you define a terrorist?
        Same way an intelligent person defines pornography: you know it when you see it. And the phrase "Allahu Akbar!" is a big hint.

        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

          That should be the new norm, stop playing footsie.
          The new one has not the influence the old one had .

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            Same way an intelligent person defines pornography: you know it when you see it. And the phrase "Allahu Akbar!" is a big hint.
            That would be one type of terrorist. As we've seen in our own country though, terrorism definitely isn't restricted to just Muslims.
            "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Massena View Post

              What the US should do is have a national strategy that supports the US and our allies.
              If we wanted a strategy that supports the US, then it would be in our best interest to ally with Iran and cut ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel.

              We've all seen what SA has done to their people, our people and the people of other countries as well. Meanwhile Israel continues to support ISIS. So, shifting our allegiance to Iran, would align us with a country that wants to defeat ISIS, as opposed to one that does not.

              The US supporting either SA or Israel is both detrimental to our national security and values as a nation.
              Last edited by TactiKill J.; 15 Jan 20, 19:42.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #22
                All of us play the Great Game, actually that'd be a great card game...

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game
                Credo quia absurdum.


                Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Massena View Post

                  What the US should do is have a national strategy that supports the US and our allies. The killing of Suleimani is a tactical success, but it is also a strategic failure. It has ended nothing and opened the US to attack where because of the nuclear agreement with Iran, the Middle East was a safer place. It isn't now and we have given Iran the excuse to follow nuclearization because of a trigger-happy president.
                  How do you know it's a strategic failure? It hasn't been two weeks!
                  I must ask, if you consider presidential actions in the middle east on the scale of change, if it ends anything, then every president has been a failure, wouldn't you agree?
                  Last edited by Urban hermit; 15 Jan 20, 20:46.
                  Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

                    How do you know it's a strategic failure? It hasn't been two weeks!
                    Its a failure because its all trumps fault.
                    Credo quia absurdum.


                    Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Bwaha View Post

                      Its a failure because its all trumps fault.
                      But of course....
                      Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Massena View Post

                        What the US should do is have a national strategy that supports the US and our allies. The killing of Suleimani is a tactical success, but it is also a strategic failure. It has ended nothing and opened the US to attack where because of the nuclear agreement with Iran, the Middle East was a safer place. It isn't now and we have given Iran the excuse to follow nuclearization because of a trigger-happy president.
                        So, Trump should stick a Patriot missile battery or three on those bases and let's see what happens with round to of the Iranian shooting Scuzz missiles at them. (A "Scuzz" missile is a crappy copy or derivative of an equally crappy Soviet 1950's - 60's SRBM or IRBM that can easily be shot down with modern SAM systems like Patriot.)

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                        • #27
                          Does this sound like a strategic failure?
                          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1Z703R
                          Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                            If we wanted a strategy that supports the US, then it would be in our best interest to ally with Iran and cut ties with Saudi Arabia and Israel.

                            We've all seen what SA has done to their people, our people and the people of other countries as well. Meanwhile Israel continues to support ISIS. So, shifting our allegiance to Iran, would align us with a country that wants to defeat ISIS, as opposed to one that does not.

                            The US supporting either SA or Israel is both detrimental to our national security and values as a nation.
                            Noonsense
                            Israel does not support ISIS
                            KSA is an ally of the US,and its domestic policy is NOT our business
                            Iran is our enemy : Iran wants to destroy the west . KSA does not want to destroy the west .
                            Iran is a rogue state that is committing terrorist attacks over the whole world .Iran cooperates with ISIS in Sinai and Yemen .Iran attacked twice the embassy of the US . Such people can not be trusted and can never be our allies .Iran is planning terrorist attacks in the US and Europe . Not KSA.
                            And : the values of the US as a nation have no place in the foreign policy of the US : US can not chose its allies in function of its values .Otherwise,it would have no allies .

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ljadw View Post

                              The new one has not the influence the old one had .
                              We don't know that yet.
                              We are not now that strength which in old days
                              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                              • #30
                                The English Website of Al Arabiya wrote on January 4 2020 with as headline '' Iran's new Quds Force Commander Esmail Ghaani is not another Soleimani '' Ghani has not the expertise of Soleimani .
                                Following what I have read elsewhere ( but I have to search for the source ) Soleimani was considered as a potential candidate for the Iranian presidency,although he had enemies in the MOIS .

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