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  • Soleimani’s death will put Iran’s proxy network to the test

    The smoking gun, Soleimani was a key to Iran's support of terrorist. The world is better off without him.

    Qassem Soleimani was relatively obscure before his demise at the hands of a US drone last week. But as commander of the Quds Force, the outward facing arm of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, he was, more than anyone, the animating spirit behind the Islamic Republic’s hugely successful regional strategy to sow conflict across the Middle East. Soleimani epitomized the most successful aspect of Iran’s foreign policy – the development of proxy forces – and defined extremism long before al-Qaeda became a force to be reckoned with. The question now is whether his demise means the beginning of the end of the Iranian model of extremism he lead, or whether it can live beyond him.
    Since September 11, 2001, the Western press has been far more concerned with the extremism embraced by al-Qaeda and affiliates, as well as offshoots like ISIS and al-Shabab. But the essence of terrorism and the use of asymmetrical proxy forces today stems from Iran and the system that Soleimani perfected. From Lebanese Hezbollah to the Palestinian militant group Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, from the Hezbollah al-Hejaz to the Houthi militia, from Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Units militias to other, less well-known groups in Iraq, Iran’s Quds Force mastered the strategy of establishing terrorist proxy movements.

    Each group has its own purpose, but ultimately answers to Tehran. Each group has genuine roots in its own nation and champions popular concerns. But their leadership is funded, commanded and ultimately decided by Iran. Each group has enabled the Islamic Republic to shape the conflicts in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon, and yet enjoys a façade of deniability that has frustrated efforts to blame Iran directly.

    The deaths that can be laid at Soleimani’s feet are legion. Hundreds, if not thousands, of US troops fighting in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Syrians. Scores of Lebanese, Israelis, Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis, Saudis and so many more would be alive today had he not been in command. But Soleimani had help – and not just from the leadership in Tehran or the useful pawns who lead Hezbollah, the Houthis, and others. No, Soleimani’s most useful dupes were in Europe and the United States.
    Qassem Soleimani was relatively obscure before his demise at the hands of a US drone last week. But as commander of the Quds Force, the outward facing
    Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
    Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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    But... but... but... Trump didn't get congressional approval from the Democrats!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
      But... but... but... Trump didn't get congressional approval from the Democrats!
      From democrats and republicans, which is the most important thing in all of this.

      Secondly:

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/syria-r...oup-1475197943

      The US supports more terrorists than Soleimani, but you won't see any threads from Urban about how the world would be better off without our vast proxy networks.

      "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
      - Benjamin Franklin

      The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

        From democrats and republicans, which is the most important thing in all of this.

        Secondly:

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/syria-r...oup-1475197943

        The US supports more terrorists than Soleimani, but you won't see any threads from Urban about how the world would be better off without our vast proxy networks.
        List all the terror groups the US supports.
        Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
        Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post

          List all the terror groups the US supports.
          https://www.wsj.com/articles/syria-r...oup-1475197943

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ored_terrorism

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

          That covers what we know. But, there's no telling what else these monsters are doing that hasn't come to light just yet.
          "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
          - Benjamin Franklin

          The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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          • #6
            Can't read it, not subbed.


            All but Kosovo were over 50 years ago. All anti-communist guerrillas were terrorist?
            Cuban exiles, wren't they more like mercenaries?

            All Afghans fighting the Soviets were terrorists?

            Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post
            That covers what we know. But, there's no telling what else these monsters are doing that hasn't come to light just yet.
            "Monsters" .... the same Intelligence agency that is instrumental in the anti-Trumper movement?

            You guys are really doing a great job of changing my mind about a lot of things, just not the way you'd want.

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            • #7

              All but Kosovo were over 50 years ago. All anti-communist guerrillas were terrorist?
              Cuban exiles, wren't they more like mercenaries?
              How do you define a terrorist?

              All Afghans fighting the Soviets were terrorists?
              The article doesn't say that all Afghans were terrorists. It specifically points out that we sided with the ones who were. You clearly didn't read anything.

              "Monsters" .... the same Intelligence agency that is instrumental in the anti-Trumper movement?
              I meant the country as a whole, because the entire government allows it to happen and the citizens defend their acts. But, yes, that same agency.

              You guys are really doing a great job of changing my mind about a lot of things, just not the way you'd want.
              And what difference does that make exactly? I don't want to change your mind about anything.
              "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
              - Benjamin Franklin

              The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

                https://www.wsj.com/articles/syria-r...oup-1475197943

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ored_terrorism

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

                That covers what we know. But, there's no telling what else these monsters are doing that hasn't come to light just yet.
                What the WSJ is talking about happened in the past,when Obama was potus . Today, US no longer supports the terrorists in Syria .
                It is the same for operation Cyclone : it was the past . Besides,when US supported them , they were not terrorists, they were killing Soviets, they became terrorists later .

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                  The smoking gun, Soleimani was a key to Iran's support of terrorist. The world is better off without him.


                  Absolutely true.

                  As QODS has a chain of command and Soleimani has already been replaced by his second-in-command (who had been with him since 1997) what is going to change?
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • #10
                    Well, clearly... Suleimani was personally its great architect. If it weathers this, the Iranians can be reasonably confident they have a keeper.

                    I mean, he was instrumental in turning the Hezbollah from a competent local defense force, into one internationally deployable asset.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Massena View Post

                      Absolutely true.

                      As QODS has a chain of command and Soleimani has already been replaced by his second-in-command (who had been with him since 1997) what is going to change?
                      Trying hard to be the Man, that my Dog believes I am!

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                      • #12
                        There is never a shortage of martyrs for the cause.
                        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Massena View Post

                          Absolutely true.

                          As QODS has a chain of command and Soleimani has already been replaced by his second-in-command (who had been with him since 1997) what is going to change?
                          So we should do nothing ...I get it now!
                          Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                          Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Urban hermit View Post
                            ...So we should do nothing ...
                            Not necessarily. We could whack the new guy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by III Corps View Post

                              Not necessarily. We could whack the new guy.
                              That should be the new norm, stop playing footsie.
                              Dispite our best intentions, the system is dysfunctional that intelligence failure is guaranteed.
                              Russ Travers, CIA analyst, 2001

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