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  • Massena's Trump Files III

    There's nothing like a 'healthy' dose of censorship.
    Last edited by Massena; 26 Jan 20, 05:33.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    Since this is a recurring topic for debate and discussion, this is going to be a permanent thread dedicated to all things involving politics and the environment. Please use this to host all of your debates, articles, and discussions of environmental topics here. Anything from the EPA to whether your local council is considering spending money planting trees, let's keep it here in one convenient thread.

    Have fun!

    Last edited by Daemon of Decay; 10 Dec 14, 12:36.

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  • #3
    As we have one of these for other forums, thought I would start one here as a thread for all those short and amusing news stories that crop up from time to time. Enjoy!

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    • G David Bock
      G David Bock commented
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      More about above ^ The Lessons of the Seattle Plane Crash

      Itís not possible to eliminate all risks from modern lifeóbut airlines and regulators work hard to reduce them after each new incident, anyway.

      ...
      https://www.theatlantic.com/national...-crash/567359/

    • bill shack
      bill shack commented
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      Donald Trump goes on a fact-finding visit to Israel. While
      he is on a tour of Jerusalem, he suffers a heart attack and
      dies.

      The undertaker tells the American diplomats accompanying
      him, 'You can have him shipped home for $50,000, or you can
      bury him here, in the Holy Land for just $100.'
      The American diplomats go into a corner to discuss for a
      few minutes. They return with their answer to the
      undertaker and tell him they want Donald Trump shipped home.

      The undertaker is puzzled and asks, 'Why would you spend
      $50,000 to ship him home, when it would be wonderful to be
      buried here and you would spend only $100?

      The American diplomats reply, 'Long ago a man died here,
      was buried here, and three days later he rose from the dead.
      We just can't take the risk.'

    • Konzev
      Konzev commented
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      Elliot Abrams is not only a War criminal, he`s also an Idiot: https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/03/br...for-venezuela/

  • #4
    We might as well get this started now. Although the election is not slated until 19 October, we have already pretty much entered the pre-campaign phase with Parliament winding down business.

    Current polls seem to point to it being a three-way race.

    NANOS

    CPC 32
    NDP 30
    LPC 29

    Abacus

    CPS 31
    NDP 28
    LPC 28

    EKOS

    CPC 30
    NDP 29
    LPC 27

    Ipsos
    CPC 31
    LPC 31
    NDP 30

    Main story so far seems to be a pronounced continuous decline in Liberal support since the fall of last year, which has only become worse since the onset of spring. The main causes appear to be a) the realization that Justin Trudeau is just not a capable leader and b) the decision of the Liberals to support passage of Bill C-51. The main recipient of the Liberal decline appears to be the NDP, with the Conservatives apparently flat-lining around the low 30s. This could explain the renewed Conservative ad campaign against the Liberals, as the Conservatives try to pry blue liberals from the LPC.


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    • Herman Hum
      Herman Hum commented
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      Every time there is a public ruling or judicial proceeding for Meng, the press and PMO needs to do a side-by-side comparison with the PRC handling of the two Michaels.

      Of course, even if there is only the sound of crickets for the PRC, it will highlight the fact that Meng enjoys Due Process while the Two Michaels do not.

    • DingBat
      DingBat commented
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      Originally posted by Herman Hum View Post
      Every time there is a public ruling or judicial proceeding for Meng, the press and PMO needs to do a side-by-side comparison with the PRC handling of the two Michaels.

      Of course, even if there is only the sound of crickets for the PRC, it will highlight the fact that Meng enjoys Due Process while the Two Michaels do not.
      Do you have any concrete suggestions? Oh, and preferably ones that wouldn't make things worse?

      About the only proposal I've heard where we could possibly hurt China more than they could hurt us is denying their goods overflight rights. And even that would inconvenience the US almost as much as China. And if we blow our wad now, what do we have left when/if Meng is eventually extradited to the US? It might feel good and all to go off half-cocked now, but the Meng situation could take as long as a decade to play out. Conserving ammunition is a good lesson for diplomacy as much as the battlefield.

      I'm all for taking a stand where China is concerned, but a lot of the criticism tends to be short on practical ideas. In which case "the sound of crickets" is probably the right thing to do. At least until the Michaels are released.

    • Herman Hum
      Herman Hum commented
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      Originally posted by DingBat View Post
      Do you have any concrete suggestions? Oh, and preferably ones that wouldn't make things worse?

      About the only proposal I've heard where we could possibly hurt China more than they could hurt us is denying their goods overflight rights. And even that would inconvenience the US almost as much as China.
      Reciprocity is a long recognized diplomatic and economic tool. When China fabricated claims of canola infestation to ban imports, Canada could have retaliated by inspecting every single item to come from China to ensure that there was no infestation.

      The same can be done with the Michaels. They sit in prison with little access to either lawyers or diplomatic services. Why should Meng enjoy the comfortable privilege of house arrest? Create a new cell to duplicate the exact conditions suffered by the Michaels and let her enjoy here Chinese-inspired accommodations. Be sure to include a PRC flag in her cell. These are the only types of action the PRC seemingly understands.

      Heck, it might even help Trudeau win the temporary UN Security Council seat he so covets.

      Another action might simply be to have portraits of the Two Michaels behind Trudeau as he delivers his self-aggrandizing daily brief. Nothing needs to be said, at all. The simple fact that they will appear on daily newscasts lets Canadians know that their citizens have not been forgotten.

      Originally posted by DingBat View Post
      I'm all for taking a stand where China is concerned, but a lot of the criticism tends to be short on practical ideas. In which case "the sound of crickets" is probably the right thing to do. At least until the Michaels are released.
      And then the PRC will just grab 'new Michaels' or Davids or Janes.

  • #5
    And this adds to the political darkness:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/polit...ion/index.html
    Indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas' attorney is asking a federal judge for permission to share some information seized from Parnas when he was arrested, including the contents of one of his iPhones, with House impeachment investigators.
    "Review of these materials is essential to the Committee's ability to corroborate the strength of Mr. Parnas's potential testimony," Joe Bondy, the lawyer for the indicted Giuliani associate, wrote in a letter to the Judge Paul Oetken, referring to the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee.

    Bondy wrote in the letter he expects to receive on Tuesday the contents of the iPhone and some documents seized from Parnas' home from prosecutors. He told Oetken he isn't sure how much of the material he will share with the Democrats on the committee.

    Parnas, a Soviet-born American who worked with Giuliani to push claims of Democratic corruption in Ukraine, was charged in New York federal court in early October with conspiracy and campaign finance-related violations and has pleaded not guilty to his criminal charges. The Manhattan federal prosecutors continue to consider other charges related to his case, though their exact approach is unknown.


    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #6
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

      Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, criticized some of her Senate colleagues, including the majority leader, for appearing to “prejudge the evidence” in impeachment proceedings against President Trump, becoming the second Republican senator to question Senator Mitch McConnell’s
      pledge
      to coordinate with the White House.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • Cambronnne
        Cambronnne commented
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        Originally posted by OttoHarkaman View Post

        Its all grandstanding so that the left leaning media outlets can manipulate viewers into thinking it is a legal trial and there-by gain public sympathy, perhaps pickup votes from people who just see the surface of things or don't have time with raising a family to dig into details.
        Agreed.
        How dare republicans behave in as partisan a manner as the dems did!

      • OttoHarkaman
        OttoHarkaman commented
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        Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

        Agreed.
        How dare republicans behave in as partisan a manner as the dems did!
        Dems have the constant "spin" on, the Republicans better understand these people no longer play by the club rules and are all about crowd baiting.

      • T. A. Gardner
        T. A. Gardner commented
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        Originally posted by marktwain View Post

        wretched
        [ˈreCHəd]
        ADJECTIVE
        1. (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state.
          "I felt so wretched because I thought I might never see you again"
          synonyms:
          miserableunhappysadbroken-heartedheartbrokengrief-strickengrievingsorrowfulsorrowingmourninganguisheddistresseddesolatedevastated
          [more]
        do you mean W.I.n.o.??
        More like vomitous, which fits about 110% of all politicians...

    • #7
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/polit...acy/index.html

      As the country faces unprecedented rancor between the branches of government in the midst of impeachment proceedings, Chief Justice John Roberts urged his fellow federal judges Tuesday to promote confidence in the judiciary and maintain the public's trust.

      Americans, Roberts said, have in the modern era come to "take democracy for granted," and the chief justice lamented the fact that civic education has "fallen by the wayside."

      "In our age, when social media can instantly spread rumor and false information on a grand scale, the public's need to understand our government, and the protections it provides, is ever more vital," Roberts wrote in his annual report on the state of the judiciary, issued each New Year's Eve.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #8
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/polit...acy/index.html

        As the country faces unprecedented rancor between the branches of government in the midst of impeachment proceedings, Chief Justice John Roberts urged his fellow federal judges Tuesday to promote confidence in the judiciary and maintain the public's trust.
        Now this is BS. The only "rancor" between branches is between the House and the President.

        Americans, Roberts said, have in the modern era come to "take democracy for granted," and the chief justice lamented the fact that civic education has "fallen by the wayside."

        "In our age, when social media can instantly spread rumor and false information on a grand scale, the public's need to understand our government, and the protections it provides, is ever more vital," Roberts wrote in his annual report on the state of the judiciary, issued each New Year's Eve.
        And, if you will note, most of that rumor and false information comes from the Progressive Left as far as the MSM goes. If civic education has "fallen by the wayside," it's due to Progressive Leftist ideas gaining a major foothold in public schools, like the whole concept of Critical Pedagogy and Social and Economic Justice.

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        • #9
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

          Now this is BS. The only "rancor" between branches is between the House and the President.



          And, if you will note, most of that rumor and false information comes from the Progressive Left as far as the MSM goes. If civic education has "fallen by the wayside," it's due to Progressive Leftist ideas gaining a major foothold in public schools, like the whole concept of Critical Pedagogy and Social and Economic Justice.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ntial_election

          Interesting- the Month of Donald Trumps relative quiet produced a slight gain in his ratings to the 'neck and neck' factor, after allowing for the traditional 4-6 % republican shift in voter reliability.

          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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          • #10
            Originally posted by marktwain View Post

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ntial_election

            Interesting- the Month of Donald Trumps relative quiet produced a slight gain in his ratings to the 'neck and neck' factor, after allowing for the traditional 4-6 % republican shift in voter reliability.
            And it rose despite impeachment.
            Or it rose "because of" impeachment.
            But trump's "relative quiet" is really only noticed by those obsessed with him or politics not the average voter.
            Average people can't escape the evening news or MSM. And despite constant negative coverage in the MSM, trump's his ratings increased.
            Kind of surprising actually.

            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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            • #11
              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

              And it rose despite impeachment.
              Or it rose "because of" impeachment.
              But trump's "relative quiet" is really only noticed by those obsessed with him or politics not the average voter.
              Average people can't escape the evening news or MSM. And despite constant negative coverage in the MSM, trump's his ratings increased.
              Kind of surprising actually.
              well.......as Judie Slama says in Nebraska- he is the first candidate or POTUS who gives the Heartlands more than social conservatism, or in Hillary's case- rather meaningless . vague statements about 'we really will do something to take care of you hurting people out there"

              People will vote fore economic hope first.
              As to my obsessions, you know what they say:
              The difference between Cdns and 'Murricans' is that we are malignantly well informed about 'Murrica, while Americans are benevolently ill informed about us...
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #12
                Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                well.......as Judie Slama says in Nebraska- he is the first candidate or POTUS who gives the Heartlands more than social conservatism, or in Hillary's case- rather meaningless . vague statements about 'we really will do something to take care of you hurting people out there"

                People will vote fore economic hope first.
                As to my obsessions, you know what they say:
                The difference between Cdns and 'Murricans' is that we are malignantly well informed about 'Murrica, while Americans are benevolently ill informed about us...
                Correct. People vote their own interests and wallet first and foremost. The Democrats are offering more taxes, more government, more welfare, and less economy. That won't go down well with a very large portion of Americans.

                Like it or not, the economy under Trump has done much better than it did in eight years of Obama.

                One reason, unlike Obama who loved new, expensive regulations, Trump obviously hates them:

                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...ird-record-low

                https://www.investors.com/politics/c...t-record-rate/

                And, the WaPo "Fact checkers" try to spin this as a negative the only way they can...

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...87d_video.html

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                • #13
                  The word 'imminent' is being thrown around by the administration, specifically SecState Pompeo, over the current situation in Iran and with the killing of the Iranian terrorist.

                  Here is the definition of 'imminent':
                  1.ready to take place; happening soon.

                  2.often used of something bad or dangerous seen as menacingly near.

                  And the use by Pompeo of the term is ambiguous at best.

                  It's getting to the state of 'what the definition of 'is' is.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • pamak
                    pamak commented
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                    Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                    Trump lied, people died. Some people cheer a lunatic at the helm
                    They try to justify the decision by saying that the target deserved to die. Of course, such logic can also be used to target Kim (or his secret service officers) in North Korea and in general target every secret service official of any rival country (including Russia). The issue is if such decisions make us safer or not, and I have not seen such justification when there have been innocent victims and when Iran seems that it takes measures to accelerate its attempt to enrich uranium.

                  • Massena
                    Massena commented
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                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp


                    President Trump said on Friday that Iranian commander Soleimani had been planning attacks on four US embassies, a claim made to justify a drone strike, but that was at odds with intelligence assessments from senior officials in Trump’s administration. – The Washington Post


                    Some call the drone attack on Soleimani an assassination—that is, a murder, and therefore, a crime. Others say the president acted on an imminent threat, making the killing arguably legal. – Quartz


                    Trump on Monday morning defended his decision, contending Soleimani posed an impending threat to the US but also saying that was not important given the military leader's history. – Reuters



                  • pamak
                    pamak commented
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                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp


                    President Trump said on Friday that Iranian commander Soleimani had been planning attacks on four US embassies, a claim made to justify a drone strike, but that was at odds with intelligence assessments from senior officials in Trump’s administration. – The Washington Post


                    Some call the drone attack on Soleimani an assassination—that is, a murder, and therefore, a crime. Others say the president acted on an imminent threat, making the killing arguably legal. – Quartz


                    Trump on Monday morning defended his decision, contending Soleimani posed an impending threat to the US but also saying that was not important given the military leader's history. – Reuters

                    LOLOL

                    So, he tries to backtrack. Of course tomorrow he can return back on the course. That is his tacti.:

                    There is no need for the government to provide clarity about decisions that escalate situations with rivals, no need to have anymore regular press conferences, no need to provide details to House Committees, no need to provide details of the imminent threat behind closed doors to senators and we (and the Congress) should be content with the idea that Trump can use the tweeter to inform us about his actions.
                    And we should just debate if his statements on tweeter reflect facts or just trolling!

                    And all these before the end of the first term...Imagine if he actually wins a second one, LOLOL

                • #14
                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...lag/ar-BBYUVAm

                  On Monday, President Trump retweeted a fake image of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer in Middle Eastern garb standing in front of an Iranian flag. The poorly-photoshopped image showed Pelosi wearing hijab and Schumer with a turban on his head. "Democrats 2020," the text on the bottom of the image read.

                  Mr. Trump retweeted the image from an anonymous account with the alias "D0wn_Under." In the original tweet, "D0wn_Under" wrote: "the corrupted Dems trying their best to come to the Ayatollah's rescue." The same account has tweeted extensively about a conspiracy that Speaker Pelosi is supposedly aiding or working for Iran.

                  The fake image was just one of the anti-Pelosi messages the president retweeted on Monday, many of them using the same hashtag: #NancyPelosiFakeNews. Bot Sentinel, a site that analyzes the behavior of Twitter accounts, said the hashtag was being widely spread by "inauthentic accounts" such as automated bots and anonymous trolls.

                  Mr. Trump's retweets appear to be his response to what Pelosi said about Iranian protesters on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday.

                  "The fact is, there were protesters in the streets before against the regime. After the taking out of Soleimani, there were protesters in the street, joined together, as you know, against us.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • Phaing
                    Phaing commented
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                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    It isn't only students this time.....
                    Yes, when the top anchors start walking off the job, the Media is in trouble.

                    I think that what caused that image was all the Crocodile tears shed for that old monster General Salami (or whatever) getting killed while organizing the hostile takeover of a foreign nation, while he was inside that nation!

                    And they are not the only ones; Venesuela's regime has elevated that man to the status of super-hero alongside their Communist leaders-

                    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...-soleimani.php

                  • marktwain
                    marktwain commented
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                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    Nuff said, lets deal with facts:

                    https://taskandpurpose.com/iran-flag-walking
                    I've noticed that your site uses words like 'hate' a lot....Are we seeing an emotional driver here?

                    One of my Jewish friends once pointed out that "
                    It isn't an official Israeli flag" which makes it just a daub job in two colors."

                  • Nichols
                    Nichols commented
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                    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                    I've noticed that your site uses words like 'hate' a lot....
                    My site does not have the word hate anywhere in it.

                    Edit; just double checked my site, no where in it is the word hate.

                • #15
                  More evidence is being revealed in the Ukraine scandal:

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

                  If one were simply to read the transcript, as President Trump has insisted we do, the point made obvious in new documents released by the House Intelligence Committee would be apparent.

                  In that transcript — the rough transcript of the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — Trump cajoles his counterpart to start investigations focused on former vice president Joe Biden and an unfounded theory about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Zelensky agrees to the probes with alacrity, in part, no doubt, because it had already been made clear to his team that agreement was a necessary criterion for a much-sought meeting with Trump at the White House. To move the probes forward, Trump then suggests that Zelensky work with two people: Attorney General William P. Barr, head of the Justice Department — and Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney.

                  The inclusion of Giuliani in the conversation has long made it hard for Trump to argue that he was seeking Zelensky’s aid only insofar as it would benefit the United States generally. When he asked Zelensky to “do us a favor,” he has argued, he meant “us” as in the United States. That he then suggested Zelensky work with Giuliani, who is not an employee of the United States, and that his request in that specific case focused on his efforts to undermine the investigation into Russian interference that he saw as a cloud over his presidency make it particularly hard to take Trump’s claims at face value.

                  Giuliani has been central to the campaign to pressure Ukraine for some time. When a group of officials who’d attended Zelensky’s inauguration in May met with the president to brief him on the event, it was Giuliani whom Trump insisted they work with on Ukraine. It was Giuliani who then made explicit a quid pro quo related to Trump’s desired investigations, according to Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland. Giuliani pushed Trump’s team to get Zelensky’s administration to announce the same specific investigations that Trump raised on his call — all while working for Trump, not the United States.

                  He made clear early in the process that his focus was his client and not his country. When he spoke with the New York Times before a planned trip to Ukraine in May, he told the paper that he was “asking them to do an investigation that they’re doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I’m going to give them reasons why they shouldn’t stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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