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  • #76
    What is the responsibility of the federal government to help citizens and businesses in need because of the coronavirus?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    President Trump on Tuesday privately expressed opposition to extending a weekly $600 boost in unemployment insurance for laid-off workers affected by the coronavirus pandemic, according to three officials familiar with his remarks during a closed-door lunch with Republican senators on Capitol Hill.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

    Comment


    • Cambronnne
      Cambronnne commented
      Editing a comment
      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      No, the Constitution was designed and written to give the nation a strong central government with checks and balances. The Bill of Rights was added to codify the rights of individuals.
      Checks and balances are limitations.
      As is the Bill of rights.
      The Bill of rights is part of the constitution so you can't exclude it because it is inconvenient.

      And the Bill of rights did not "codify". It recognized the rights inherent in the individual.
      In other words, the rights exist regardless of the existence of the government.
      "Codify" implies the rights are given.

      Giving the nation a strong central government doesn't mean the constitution was designed to establish the limits of governmental power.


    • Cambronnne
      Cambronnne commented
      Editing a comment
      Obama's position:
      Obama in his interview disparages the Constitution as merely "a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf." He believes—and he's right—that changing this is the way to bring about "redistributive change."
      https://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...e-constitution

      Even Obama agrees the Constitution limits government and doesn't establish any obligation to give away stuff

    • Nichols
      Nichols commented
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      Originally posted by Massena View Post

      It does and you are wrong. Again.
      I recommend some study time.

      The preamble is not the law set forth in the Constitution. I supplied a link already that clearly shows that.

      I'm not wrong on this, I recommend you do some reading.

  • #77
    A federal judge is allowing the fraud lawsuit against Trump and his family to proceed.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/19/polit...any/index.html


    A federal judge on Monday allowed a federal lawsuit accusing President Donald Trump, his three eldest children and his company of collaborating with a fraudulent marketing scheme to prey on investors to proceed.


    The lawsuit, originally filed in October 2018 and amended a few months later, alleges that in exchange for "secret" payments, Trump and three of his adult children used his former reality TV show "The Celebrity Apprentice" and other promotional events as vehicles to boost ACN Opportunity, a telecommunications marketing company linked to a nonprofit that used Trump's brand to appeal to teens.

    The lawsuit also accuses the Trumps of having profited off the poor and vulnerable, as people looking "to enrich themselves by systematically defrauding economically marginalized people looking to invest in their educations, start their own small business, and pursue the American dream."
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

    Comment


    • #78
      ...or someone broke a stupid stick over her head...She wonders why the press doesn't take Trump at his word-simple answer because he is a serial liar.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
      Donald Trump surprised many this week when he claimed that he was ignoring the serious health risks and taking hydroxychloroquine. "I happen to be taking it," the president

      said on Monday. "I happen to be taking it.... I'm taking it -- hydroxychloroquine -- right now.

      This raised a variety of questions, not the least of which is whether to believe Trump's claim. Those concerns grew louder when a White House physician issued a written statement several hours later, which did not explicitly say why, of even if, the president is on the potentially dangerous drug.

      A reporter asked White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany about the "carefully written" letter from Trump's doctor and why the public should believe that he's actually taking hydroxychloroquine. McEnany suggested the entire line of inquiry was inappropriate.
      "The reason is the president of the United States said it, and if it were any other president of the United States, the media would take him at his word."


      Well, yes. That's exactly right. If any other American president, regardless of party, had told the public about a medication he was taking, it's likely that the political world -- journalists, voters, public officials, et al. -- would simply assume that the president was telling the truth.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

      Comment


      • #79
        Pompeo is about as sharp as a marble...

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
        Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday adamantly denied that he recommended firing the State Department’s independent watchdog in retaliation for investigations into Pompeo's conduct as America’s top diplomat. But Pompeo again declined to provide specific reasons for Steve Linick's dismissal as inspector general.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

        Comment


        • Bow
          Bow commented
          Editing a comment
          Another guy with his nose in the trough......He was NOTHING before but once once he got a sniff Lordy!, Lord!....no holding him back....

        • pamak
          pamak commented
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          Originally posted by Bow View Post
          Another guy with his nose in the trough......He was NOTHING before but once once he got a sniff Lordy!, Lord!....no holding him back....
          To refresh your memory, he has been an IG for years (since 2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Linick)

          And apparently, he was important enough to be mentioned by conservatives when he investigated Clinton

          https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...process-217436

          The report from State Department Inspector General Steve Linick points to a series of failures in the procedures the office of the secretary used to respond to public records requests, including a lack of written policies and training, as well as inconsistent oversight by senior personnel. The report also faulted the secretary’s office for a practice of not searching for emails responsive to FOIA requests unless the request specifically asked for emails or demanded “all records” on a topic.

          https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/h...mpaign-website

          The State Department’s IG report, released in May, explicitly stated that Clinton’s email system was neither allowed, nor was it approved by anyone other than Clinton.
          Last edited by pamak; 20 May 20, 18:22.

        • pamak
          pamak commented
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          The Trump administration after just 4 (actually less than 4) years of power is oozing with the stench of corruption.
          Trump replaces IGs who do not kiss his ring en mass, including IGs appointed during HIS term

          https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-i...gs-fired-list/


          Michael Atkinson
          Intelligence Community

          Atkinson was nominated to serve as the internal watchdog for the intelligence community in November 2017 and was
          confirmed by the Senate in May 2018,

          As inspector general for the intelligence community, Atkinson handled the complaint filed by an anonymous whistleblower that raised concerns about Mr. Trump's dealings with Ukraine and ultimately led to House Democrats' impeachment inquiry into the president.

          Steve Linick
          State Department


          Linick is the fourth inspector general to be purged from his position by Mr. Trump in a span of six weeks.

          Meanwhile, some pretend that this administration is out there to "drain the swamp."

      • #80
        Trump is an intolerant person on many fronts and subjects. He can't take either disagreement or criticism. Because of those negative character traits, among others, he is unsuitable for office.

        Orwell would have loved this idiot.

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/polit...ing/index.html


        A day after President Donald Trump privately excoriated the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to Republican senators during a lunch on Capitol Hill, the fate of the agency's director, Dr. Robert Redfield, is in question.


        Trump did not bring up or single out Redfield during his lunch with GOP senators, multiple sources familiar with the discussion told CNN. The director was also at the White House on Monday for a meeting.

        As recently as last week, Redfield told colleagues he didn't think he was in trouble or that his job was on the line. According to a senior administration official, Redfield expressed confidence that the current tension with White House coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx, who Redfield has a decades long relationship with, was fleeting.

        But over the weekend, the momentum appeared to have shifted. While sources at the CDC dismiss claims that Redfield is being scrutinized by the White House, Redfield grew concerned he may have a target on his back according to a source familiar.
        One senior administration official told CNN, the director's fear is not unfounded.

        Informal conversations around "what to do" about Redfield have taken place, as tensions between the CDC and the White House show no signs of abating, according to a senior administration official.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

        Comment


        • #81
          Trump's supporters are supporting a loser...

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/polit...-19/index.html


          Here's a bold prediction: President Donald Trump is going to say something either totally outlandish, verifiably false or completely ridiculous soon.


          Maybe all three. Maybe multiples of all three.

          On Wednesday, it was his pushing (again) of a baseless conspiracy theory involving MSNBC host Joe Scarborough and his threatening of states pursuing mail-in ballots.

          Earlier in the week it was, most notably, that he's taking hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malarial drug the Food and Drug Administration has said you should not self-prescribe to treat coronavirus.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

          Comment


          • #82
            This is typical of Trump-you cannot trust the mutt (and that's an insult to mutts).

            https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/20/polit...flu/index.html


            Donald Trump in April 2009 said the Obama administration was handling the ​early days of the 2009-2010 H1N1 outbreak ​"fine​" and warned against overreacting to the new virus.


            The comments from Trump, made on a Fox News appearance from April ​24, 2009, ​are at odds with his recent criticisms of the Obama administration, which he has frequently attacked for its pandemic preparations and response to H1N1. In a March tweet, Trump said that "their response to H1N1 Swine Flu was a full scale disaster."

            In 2009, then-businessman Trump said, "I think it's fine. It's the flu. It's the flu," noting that mankind has had epidemics and flus before.

            "It's going to be handled. It's going to come. It's going to be bad. And maybe it will be worse than the normal flu seasons. And it's going to go away. I think it is being handled fine. I think the words are right."
            "But, you know, you're letting people in from countries that have bigger doses of it, and everybody's coming into the country, and the Mexicans aren't stopped and nobody's stopped," before immediately noting, "I'm not saying they should be stopped."

            "It's called the flu. Have you had the flu many times, Neil (Cavuto)? Probably. You know, we all have."
            The remarks are similar to ones he would make as president 11 years later about the coronavirus, in which he downplayed the virus by comparing its death toll to the flu. Weeks later, Trump pivoted to say that the coronavirus was "not the flu. It's vicious."

            We are not now that strength which in old days
            Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
            Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
            To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

            Comment


            • #83
              Trump is asked by the Michigan AG to wear a face mask when visiting the Ford Plant in Michigan.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

              Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) is imploring President Trump to adhere to health guidelines and wear a facial covering when he visits a Ford ventilator assembly plant in her state later this week.




              In an open letter sent to the president on Wednesday, Nessel noted that under Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's (D) stay-at-home order, manufacturers are required to suspend all non-essential visits, including tours. But Nessel said that both she and Whitmer agreed that Ford and the state's autoworkers deserved to be showcased for the efforts they've made amid the coronavirus outbreak.

              "While my department will not act to prevent you from touring Ford's plant, I ask that while you are on tour you respect the great efforts of the men and women at Ford - and across this State - by wearing a facial covering," she wrote. "It is not just the policy of Ford, by virtue of the Governor's Executive Orders, it is currently the law of this State."

              Trump is scheduled to tour a Ford manufacturing facility in Ypsilanti, Mich., and deliver remarks there on Thursday. During the pandemic, the factory has been repurposed to generate ventilators and personal protective equipment (PPE) for health care systems.

              The factory has policies in place requiring everyone on site to wear personal protective equipment, raising questions about whether Trump would wear a face covering. The president has yet to wear a mask publicly, electing against their use during previous trips to Pennsylvania and Arizona.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • Salinator
                Salinator commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                Ignorant statement. Jews vote by a majority for the Dems.
                How is that an ignorant statement? Most Jews voting Dem does not show sign of of intelligence or logic. It only shows that the majority are sheep.

              • ljadw
                ljadw commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                Ignorant statement. Jews vote by a majority for the Dems.
                NO : they do not, unless you can prove that they are Jews ,which you can't : most ''Jews '' in the USA have since long cut all ties with the Jewish world,culture,religion and do not consider themselves as Jews .
                And those who vote Democrat while still being Jewish, do NOT vote Democrat because they are Jewish .The choice of Lieberman as candidate VP in 2000 did not increase the % of the Jewish vote for the Democrats :the highest % of '' Jewish "voters for the Democrats was in 1964,when there was no ''Jew '' on the Democratic ticket,but a former Jewish American as GOP candidate : Goldwater .
                There is NO Jewish vote in the US ,and no catholic vote : people do not vote for a party from religious reasons and most also not for reasons of origin : German Americans do not vote Democrat/Republican because of their origin, neither do Irish Americans,etc .
                Last point : there are NO Jews in the US,only Jewish Americans .Only anti -Semites call Jewish Americans American Jews .
                Jewish Americans are Americans who are Jewish wether by religion (almost extinct )ethnicity(going down )culture (diminishing )or nationality ( a very small group )
                Last edited by ljadw; 22 May 20, 08:49.

              • ljadw
                ljadw commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                Ignorant statement. Jews vote by a majority for the Dems.
                Louis Farrakhan is a Democrat,so are Omar and Tlaib,and Sanders, Soros, ....All are enemies of Israel and all Jews on earth .

            • #84
              ...Will Trump wear a face mask as required by the Ford Company? He has a legal and moral responsibility to do so. However, those terms are foreign to Trump-'legal', 'moral', and 'responsibility.'

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
              Ahead of President Trump’s planned trip Thursday to a Ford manufacturing plant in Michigan, the state’s attorney general implored him to wear a face mask on his tour, citing a “legal responsibility.”
              In an open letter addressed to Trump, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) asked the president, who has consistently appeared barefaced in public and at the White House, to adhere to executive orders issued by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) and Ford’s policy mandating masks to slow the spread of the novel
              coronavirus. Trump is scheduled to visit a factory southwest of Detroit that has been repurposed to manufacture ventilators.
              “While my Department will not act to prevent you from touring Ford’s plant, I ask that while you are on tour you respect the great efforts of the men and women at Ford — and across this State — by wearing a facial covering,” Nessel wrote. “It is not just the policy of Ford, by virtue of the Governor’s Executive Orders. It is currently the law of this State."
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • Tsar
                Tsar commented
                Editing a comment
                Since when is an executive order a law?
                Was it passed by the state legislature?

              • Tuebor
                Tuebor commented
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                Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                Since when is an executive order a law?
                Was it passed by the state legislature?
                Nope, and the Legislature did not extend her emergency powers so...


              • Massena
                Massena commented
                Editing a comment
                There is a suggestion that the 'visit' might be 'a little tense.' That might be an understatement...

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

                When Donald Trump tours Ford Motor Co.’s ventilator facility Thursday, there are more than a few ways the visit could get awkward.

                Will he adhere to the automaker’s requirement that everyone wear a mask at its facilities at all times? Will he keep up his feuds with Michigan’s governor? And might he even give a bit of grief to the American carmaker, as he has so often since 2016?

                Trump has been non-committal on the first question, saying earlier this week he may wear a mask depending on the situation and his surroundings. His tweets suggests there’s a distinct possibility Governor Gretchen Whitmer — who is on the short list to be Joe Biden’s running mate -- may come under fresh attack. And Ford has issued a series of statements suggesting it’s ready for the 2020 campaign to be over already.

            • #85
              The Chief of Naval Operations and the Commandant of the Marine Corps weigh in on a possible reoccurance of the coronavirus:
              https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/polit...ing/index.html


              Two of the US military's most senior leaders issued a stark warning Thursday that the threat from the coronavirus is still high and stressed they are preparing for a possible second wave.


              "That threat is not going away any time soon," Admiral Michael Gilday, chief of naval operations, told a small group of reporters. "Nobody has a crystal ball."

              That was underscored by General David Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps. "Clearly we have learned a hell of a lot from the last three, four months that we are going to apply should that happen," Berger said. "We will be prepared for it."

              Neither officer mentioned President Donald Trump. But their comments came as the President has been pushing states to reopen and on Wednesday said the government had done "amazingly well," despite the fact the US has the highest death toll in the world with more than 93,000 people losing their lives to the virus as of Thursday afternoon.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • ljadw
                ljadw commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Half Pint John View Post

                Do you know what quotes are?
                Where in post 8 can you find them talking about a possible second wave ?
                Gilday said : that threat is not going away any time soon .He did NOT say that there would be a second wave .

              • 17thfabn
                17thfabn commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                It stated in the article that 'Neither officer mentioned President Donald Trump.'

                Does that answer your question?

                Neither officer mentioned President Donald Trump. But their comments came as the President has been pushing states to reopen

                (Bold Mine)

                My question was why did the author feel the need to add that the General and Admiral's comments came as the president is pushing states to open?

              • Trung Si
                Trung Si commented
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                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                It stated in the article that 'Neither officer mentioned President Donald Trump.'

                Does that answer your question?

                What question? what is your point here?

            • #86
              Governor Whitmer wins in court:

              https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-gove...l&uh_test=1_02

              Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer prevailed Thursday in a high-stakes challenge by Republican lawmakers who sued over her authority to declare emergencies and order sweeping restrictions during the coronavirus outbreak.

              A 1945 law cited by Whitmer, a Democrat, is not limited to regional emergencies and can have no end date, said Judge Cynthia Stephens of the Court of Claims.

              The opinion effectively means the governor's orders stand, including a stay-home decree that is likely to be extended beyond May 28.

              “It would take a particularly strained reading of the plain text of the (law) to conclude that a grant of authority to deal with a public crisis that affects all the people of this state would somehow be constrained to a certain locality,” Stephens said.

              The claims are “meritless,” she said.

              The lawsuit from the House and Senate grew out of frustration with Whitmer's one-size strategy to stop the spread of the coronavirus by keeping people at home statewide and shutting down businesses, even if regions far from the Detroit area were not harmed as much by the virus or COVID-19.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • Cambronnne
                Cambronnne commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Tuebor View Post

                There are two laws in effect. PA 302 of 1945 which gives the Governor authority to declare a state of emergency, and PA 390 of 1976 which, among other things, limits the state of emergency to 28 days, after which it may be extended by the Legislature. In the current case, the Governor received the 28 days, and the Legislature extended it another 13 days (which was far less than the 70 days the Governor requested). Upon the expiration of the extension (i.e. 11:59pm April 30th) Governor Whitmer ended the state of emergency, but issued another one minute later. It is the Governor's office claim that she is acting on the 1945 law, which has no limits on the length of an emergency. Her claim is, as I understand it, that the 1945 law preempts the 1976 law which limits the time of a governor's powers.
                I predict that decision will be overturned.
                The judge's decision is insane. There are lots of judges who have their position solely because they are good political soldiers. It is unfortunate, but also a fact.
                The fact that the legislature extended it 13 days tells me that Whitmer implicitly conceded that she did not have authority to do so herself.
                As a result, her unilateral decision to enter a new order is inconsistent with her prior actions, to say nothing of the fairly obvious intent of the statute.

              • ljadw
                ljadw commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                Absolute nonsense. Taking measures to ensure the safety of the citizens is not a 'totalitarian' act.

                And the idea that the judge ruled in her favor because he is a Democratic appointee is ridiculous.
                Thus you will support Kavanagh if he rules in Trump's favor ?

              • ljadw
                ljadw commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Massena View Post

                Absolute nonsense. Taking measures to ensure the safety of the citizens is not a 'totalitarian' act.

                And the idea that the judge ruled in her favor because he is a Democratic appointee is ridiculous.
                Have you a proof that she was taking these measures TO ensure the safety of the citizens of Michigan ?

            • #87
              There is absolutely no point in doing this at all...and Trump has no idea, knowledge, or education concerning nuclear weapons.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartandhp
              The Trump administration has discussed whether to conduct the first U.S. nuclear test explosion since 1992 in a move that would have far-reaching consequences for relations with other nuclear powers and reverse a decades-long moratorium on such actions, said a senior administration official and two former officials familiar with the deliberations.

              The matter came up at a meeting of senior officials representing the top national security agencies last Friday, following accusations from administration officials that Russia and China are conducting low-yield nuclear tests — an assertion that has not been substantiated by publicly available evidence and that both countries have denied.

              A senior administration official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the sensitive nuclear discussions, said that demonstrating to Moscow and Beijing that the United States could “rapid test” could prove useful from a negotiating standpoint as Washington seeks a trilateral deal to regulate the arsenals of the biggest nuclear powers.

              The meeting did not conclude with any agreement to conduct a test, but a senior administration official said the proposal is “very much an ongoing conversation.” Another person familiar with the meeting, however, said a decision was ultimately made to take other measures in response to threats posed by Russia and China and avoid a resumption of testing.

              The National Security Council declined to comment.

              During the meeting, serious disagreements emerged over the idea, in particular from the National Nuclear Security Administration, according to two people familiar with the discussions. The NNSA, an agency that ensures the safety of the nation’s stockpile of nuclear weapons, didn’t respond to a request for comment.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • Tsar
                Tsar commented
                Editing a comment
                Do you actually read the articles you pick out or is it based on the amount of tingle your TDS gets from the headline?

                Another person familiar with the meeting, however, said a decision was ultimately made to take other measures in response to threats posed by Russia and China and avoid a resumption of testing.

              • 17thfabn
                17thfabn commented
                Editing a comment
                Originally posted by Tsar View Post
                Do you actually read the articles you pick out or is it based on the amount of tingle your TDS gets from the headline?

                Another person familiar with the meeting, however, said a decision was ultimately made to take other measures in response to threats posed by Russia and China and avoid a resumption of testing.
                So in this case the President wasn't " Both Stupid and Insane,,"?

                What is, if it happened, clearly illegal. Leaks of high level conversations between the president and his national security advisors.

              • CarpeDiem
                CarpeDiem commented
                Editing a comment
                Drop the personal comments.
                This is not a new concept for any of you.
                Thank you
                ACG Staff

            • #88
              ...or they are intentionally downplaying the number of deaths because of COVID-19:

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

              As the United States continues its advance toward 100,000 coronavirus deaths, a grim milestone the country is expected to reach in the coming days, President Trump and members of his administration have begun questioning the official coronavirus death toll, suggesting the numbers are inflated.

              Most experts say the opposite is likely the case.

              In White House meetings, conversations with health officials have returned to similar suspicions: that the data compiled by state health departments and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention include people who have died with the coronavirus but of other conditions.

              Last Friday, Mr. Trump told reporters that he accepted the current death toll, but that the figures could be “lower than” the official count, which now totals more than 95,000.


              Most statisticians and public health experts say he is wrong; the death toll is probably far higher than what is publicly known. People are dying at their houses and nursing homes without ever being tested, they say, and deaths early this year were likely misidentified as influenza or described only as pneumonia.

              Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, has said publicly that the American health care system incorporates a generous definition of a death caused by Covid-19.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


              • FTCS
                FTCS commented
                Editing a comment
                You mean like the fake VA "study" that was touted by the anti-administration media.

            • #89
              Trump is now complaining about a Fox News poll...He doesn't understand that he is supposed to govern, not tweet constantly.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/tr...cid=spartandhp

              President Donald Trump lashed out at Fox News Friday after a poll from the network showed him trailing behind presumed Democratic presidential election opponent Joe Biden and his approval down.

              After tweeting that Fox News "should fire their Fake Pollster," he wrote, "Why doesn't @FoxNews put up the CNBC POLL or the (believe it or not!) CNN Poll? Hope Roger A is looking down and watching what has happened to this once beautiful creation!"

              That was his second tweet of the week invoking the name of Fox News' late founder Roger Ailes, who was ousted from the network before his death after multiple accusations of sexual misconduct. Monday night, he criticized his go-to cable news channel after anchor Neil Cavuto warned against the use of hydroxychloroquine for anything other than malaria and lupus. Earlier Monday, the president claimed he was taking the drug to combat the coronavirus.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

              Comment


            • #90
              The new Trump 'resort'...?

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
              As President Trump’s motorcade pulled into his golf club in Virginia on an overcast Sunday, a small group of protesters waited outside the entrance. One held up a sign.

              “I care do U?” it read. “100,000 dead.”

              Mr. Trump and his advisers have said that he does, but he has made scant effort to demonstrate it this Memorial Day weekend. He finally ordered flags lowered to half-staff at the White House only after being badgered to do so by his critics and otherwise took no public notice as the American death toll from the coronavirus pandemic approached a staggering 100,000.

              While the country neared six digits of death, the president who repeatedly criticized his predecessor for golfing during a crisis spent the weekend on the links for the first time since March. When he was not zipping around on a cart, he was on social media embracing fringe conspiracy theories, amplifying messages from a racist and sexist Twitter account
              and lobbing playground insults at perceived enemies, including his own former attorney general.
              This was a death toll that Mr. Trump once predicted would never be reached. In late February, he said there were only 15 coronavirus cases in the United States, understating even then the actual number, and declared that “the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” In the annals of the American presidency, it would be hard to recall a more catastrophically wrong prediction. Even after he later acknowledged that it would not be zero, he insisted the death toll would fall “substantially below the 100,000” mark.
              We are not now that strength which in old days
              Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
              Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
              To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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