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  • #46
    What is the administration trying to hide?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ex...cid=spartandhp
    The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.

    The officials said that dozens of classified discussions about such topics as the scope of infections, quarantines and travel restrictions have been held since mid-January in a high-security meeting room at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), a key player in the fight against the coronavirus.

    Staffers without security clearances, including government experts, were excluded from the interagency meetings, which included video conference calls, the sources said.

    “We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

    The sources said the National Security Council (NSC), which advises the president on security issues, ordered the classification.“This came directly from the White House,” one official said.

    The White House insistence on secrecy at the nation’s premier public health organization, which has not been previously disclosed, has put a lid on certain information - and potentially delayed the response to the crisis. COVID19, the disease caused by the virus, has killed about 30 people in the United States and infected more than 1,000 people.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • Snowshoveler
      Snowshoveler commented
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      Probably to keep everyone from panicking and the situation in a calm perspective

  • #47
    Biden demonstrates common sense and being presidential:

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...s-speech-trump

    Joe Biden is looking past the remaining primaries with a shakeup of his campaign leadership and an approach to the coronavirus outbreak framed as a rebuttal to President Donald Trump.

    During remarks Thursday afternoon in Wilmington, Delaware, Biden pointedly called back to Trump’s address the night before, when from the Oval Office he announced a ban on a significant amount of travel from Europe and described the disease as a “foreign” virus with origins in China.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • Urban hermit
      Urban hermit commented
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      I hear Creepy Joe is offering a free hair sniff test for the virus to all young ladies......

    • Massena
      Massena commented
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      Perhaps this will enlighten...Biden surely acts and looks more presidential than Trump ever has.

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/opini...gen/index.html


      For months, commentators have wondered whether there will be a return to normality after President Trump leaves office. In his address Thursday on the coronavirus pandemic, Joe Biden left no doubt that if elected, that's exactly what he intends.


      His speech was for the most part well crafted, his ideas were reasonable, his words calm and reassuring, and he related well with working people and the vulnerable. In short, this was a classic presidential speech.




    • Half Pint John
      Half Pint John commented
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      Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

      He can read it off a Teleprompter and still not get it right.
      Something Trump can't do. READ! But then for you TZ Trump has no failings,

  • #48
    If this is true, then it is monstrous:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
    The Republican National Committee has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to contractors closely connected to the organization’s chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #49
      An interesting historical perspective...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

      Clyburn evoked Germany in the 1930s in one clip of the interview released Sunday, while clarifying that the "dynamic" of Trump's attacks on the press echoed those of Nazi leaders such as Adolf Hitler.

      "I used to wonder how could the people of Germany allow Hitler to exist. But with each passing day, I'm beginning to understand how. And that's why I'm trying to sound the alarm," he added, before claiming that Trump told more than 30 lies during his State of the Union address this year.

      "Fully half of those lies, the Republican side of the House stood up and cheered they knew that was not true. But they cheered him on," Clyburn said, before continuing his comparison to Nazi Germany.

      "I really believe that the people of Germany knew Adolf Hitler was lying," he said. "And before they knew it, they no longer had a chancellor but a dictator. Anything that's happened before can happen again."
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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      • #50
        John Hopkins states that there are now some 68,000 COVID survivors. Why hasn't that been in the news?
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • Aber
          Aber commented
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          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

          So far, data shows close to 0.7%
          Please show your sources.

        • G David Bock
          G David Bock commented
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          Originally posted by Aber View Post

          Please show your sources.
          Starts with some numbers shown in post #15 of this thread.
          I then convert such numbers to a percentage in post #20, of this thread.
          My math error is pointed out in post #22 of this thread ...
          ... which brings us to my post where I correct the %; which you have focused upon.

          Reading through the entire thread and understanding same would have answered your question way back and maybe avoided your confusion.

          An essential to History, especially Military History (such as here with ACG) and also with regard to science and medicine, such as the topic of this thread, would be to go back and through all the material and posts from start to present to get full scope of what has been presented and it's context.

          PERSONAL COMMENTS DIRECTED AGAINST OTHER POSTERS REMOVED.
          THANK YOU ACG STAFF
          Last edited by CarpeDiem; 20 Mar 20, 13:47.

        • CarpeDiem
          CarpeDiem commented
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          A post by G David Bock was removed that consisted of him reposting an previously edited post containing a personal comment directed against another poster.
          This type of behaviour results in an automatic ban.
          Thank you
          ACG Staff

      • #51
        All forum members who have died since yesterday due to COVID-19 are required to notify this forum within 24 hours.
        Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes? Who is watching the watchers?

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        • Cambronnne
          Cambronnne commented
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          I'm still alive, but it is getting boring. I almost feel like going to work

        • Surrey
          Surrey commented
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          Working from home for the duration. Central London has pretty much closed down with numerous tube stations shut. Plenty of seats on the trains that are running though. And this is in what was one of the biggest financial centres in the world.
          The hoarders have moved on from toilet paper to potatoes at our lunch cal Sainsbury's. The car parks were already full with a que to get in when I went past on my 6.30 am run.

        • Mountain Man
          Mountain Man commented
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          I had a flash idea yesterday in the military commissary. Take all of that hard-to-sell stuff and combine it with a packet of hand sanitizer or a roll of toilet paper. Stuff will sell out in no time!!


      • #52
        Nunes, the flunky extraordinaire, is also a moron:

        https://www.bing.com/search?q=devin+...lvar=0&PC=LCTS

        But he sure seems willing to put your health in jeopardy out of fealty, I assume, to President Donald Trump, who has been hellbent on minimizing one of the greatest health crises this country has ever faced.

        If Trump is worried mainly about the economy, and not the rapid, uncontrolled spread of a deadly virus that he downplayed until it far too late in the game, well then, so is his most loyal acolyte.

        “It’s a great time to go out and go to a local restaurant,” the Tulare, Calif., Republican told Maria Bartiromo of Fox News on Sunday morning. “Likely you can get in easily.” Nunes also urged folks to go to “your local pub.”

        At virtually the same moment, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health, was saying on national television that he, personally, would stay away from restaurants.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • T. A. Gardner
          T. A. Gardner commented
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          A voice of sanity in an country gone insane.

      • #53
        https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/polit...rus/index.html

        Washington (CNN)Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin warned Republican senators Tuesday morning that without action the coronavirus pandemic could drive up US unemployment to 20%, a Republican Senate source told CNN.

        Mnuchin's comments came as he urged Republican senators to act on economic stimulus measures totaling $1 trillion designed to avert that kind of worst case scenario.
        Asked for comment, Treasury Department spokesperson Monica Crowley said in a statement, "During the meeting with Senate Republicans today, Secretary Mnuchin used several mathematical examples for illustrative purposes, but he never implied this would be the case."
        A Treasury Department official added that Mnuchin "used some mathematical examples to illustrate potential risk if there were no intervention, but because they are doing the right things and proposing additional action, that would not be the case."In the same meeting, Mnuchin also said he is concerned the economic ramifications of the coronavirus pandemic could be worse than the 2008 financial crisis, the source said.


        Who among you was against Obama's stimulus package, and if you were against then, are you also against a stimulus of about the same size today?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...nt_Act_of_2009

        The approximate cost of the economic stimulus package was estimated to be $787 billion at the time of passage, later revised to $831 billion between 2009 and 2019.[1] The ARRA's rationale was based on the Keynesian economic theory that, during recessions, the government should offset the decrease in private spending with an increase in public spending in order to save jobs and stop further economic deterioration

        The answers will be convincing only if you come forward now and before you learn what the Trump administration (and the current Congress) will decide to do with this economic crisis....
        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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        • G David Bock
          G David Bock commented
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          Originally posted by TactiKill J. View Post

          Hopefully you've learned your lesson and will vote wiser in the future.
          I didn't vote for the socialist-communist-traitor-Liberal-Loonie Left-Wingnut scumbag Inslee. !!!

          Unfortunately we have too many "socialist-communist-traitor-Liberal-Loonie Left-Wingnut scumbags" within our voting demographics whom did.

          Our Nation will fall not from "With-out" but from "With-in".

        • pamak
          pamak commented
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          Originally posted by G David Bock View Post

          That will have to 'wait' and is long down the line since it is "Big Government" that has created this "Over-reaction" PROBLEM to begin with!

          While most "big business" tend to have the resources to ride this through for a few weeks to couple months; most "small businesses will be on the ropes of survival within a week or two, month at most. !!!

          This path of solution is a form of genocide to much of the USA Economy, a.k.a. through the "small business sector" and the majority of our nation's workers it employs!!!!

          "Big Government" IS NOT anyway "GOOD" nearly ANYTIME In form of too many at "Executive" levels given too much Power and Authority to shut down and then destroy so much of the essentials portions of our Economic Systems and hence the foundations of our Society. To paraphrase and as the term goes; "Not with a Bang but with a Whimper do the Great Fall." Our idiots for Leadership, in OVER-Reaction and going to Extremes in dealing with what is only a slight "above average" disease, have laid the foundations for collapse and decline that will be several times worse than this Virus could ever produce!



          We are seeing the classic Marxist/Stalinist top down fascist management of "the masses" by those whom express this path of solution; which is actually suicide as History has shown repeatedly.
          You must talking about Trump then...

          Meanwhile, are you aware that up until now data show that this virus is more contagious and more lethal than flu?

        • pamak
          pamak commented
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          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

          You mean the ones that are laid off right now? They're all going to get big refunds this year because they are losing income.

          Colorado has just realized that they are gong to take a monstrous tax refund hit to the State treasury this year due to all of the shut-downs, and raising taxes to compensate - our Democratic governor's favorite concept -is not going to fly.

          Latest move in Colorado: all nail salons, hair salons and similar businesses are closed by government edict.
          About 50% of Americans do not pay any income taxes. For them, there will be no refunds ..

      • #54
        I wonder why Paul is doing this?

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
        Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Senate would move at "warp speed" to pass coronavirus legislation on Tuesday, but Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., put a damper on those plans, two leadership sources told NBC News.
        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • 17thfabn
          17thfabn commented
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          Originally posted by Massena View Post
          Well, now you have expanded your vocabulary.

          I've noticed many authors like to throw an obscure word of two into there writing. Google makes it much easier than 25years ago to keep up.

        • Trung Si
          Trung Si commented
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          Originally posted by 17thfabn View Post


          I've noticed many authors like to throw an obscure word of two into there writing. Google makes it much easier than 25years ago to keep up.
          Yea, like Lemmings and Monstrous.

        • 17thfabn
          17thfabn commented
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          Originally posted by Trung Si View Post

          Yea, like Lemmings and Monstrous.
          I was thinking of more obscure words such as Defenestration.




      • #55
        Perhaps if Trump had not tried to dodge the virus bullet and lie about it to boot, perhaps this large a drop in the market could have been avoided?

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/inves...ins/index.html


        The Trump stock rally, which at its peak a month ago was robust and seemingly unending, has completely evaporated.


        The Dow (INDU) fell more than 1,800 points on Tuesday, bringing the index below 19,732 points. That was the Dow's closing level on January 19, 2017, the day before Trump took office.

        The S&P 500 (SPX) plunged 7% at midday, triggering a circuit breaker

        which halted trading for 15 minutes. That index is still above its Trump inauguration level, but it is moving closer to wiping out all of Trump's stock market gains as well. The index, which is the broadest measure of Wall Street, was down 6.3% in the early afternoon on Tuesday.


        Global equities have been hit hard by the worries about the economic fallout from the coronavirus outbreak, which has by now infected more than 7,000 people in the United States.

        Economists predict recessions for both individual countries and the world economy this year as the pandemic dealt both a supply and demand shock to commerce. That said, expectations for a sharp rebound for the economy and the stock market towards in the second half of the year are high.

        We are not now that strength which in old days
        Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
        Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
        To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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        • Anthrax
          Anthrax commented
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          Originally posted by AdrianE View Post
          The market was massively overpriced with valuations fueled by low interest rates and quantitative easing. We were long overdue for a correction.

          Now that it has happened this is an excellent opportunity to buy quality companies at a discount.
          I think we're past correction.

        • TactiKill J.
          TactiKill J. commented
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          Originally posted by AdrianE View Post
          The market was massively overpriced with valuations fueled by low interest rates and quantitative easing. We were long overdue for a correction.

          Now that it has happened this is an excellent opportunity to buy quality companies at a discount.
          True. In addition to that, most businesses are closed right now, so the market was going to drop significantly regardless of what Trump said.

        • 17thfabn
          17thfabn commented
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          From a historic prospective the stock market was due for a correction (downturn) after an eleven year bull market.

          With all the government actions be it US, state, local or foreign to slow the spread of the virus the economy was sure to take a major hit. Add in the actions of individuals. I'm not overly cautious but you couldn't pay me to take a cruise.

          The state of Ohio has shut down all sit down restaurants, bars, theatres and gyms. Many of localities have done the same. How many people has that put out of work. It doesn't take an economist to see the economy and indirectly the stock market taking a big hit.





      • #56
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...THYZDMYNIMFU54

        500,000 swabs for coronavirus tests shipped from Italy to Memphis, Pentagon says

        The U.S. Air Force’s National Guard unit transported 500,000 nasopharyngeal swabs for coronavirus tests from Italy to Memphis on Tuesday, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.

        The above sounds more like an onion article...

        Meanwhile poor Greece has tested more people than the US even though its first case was after the one discovered in the US

        https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ting-data.html

        and


        https://lbimg.in.com/LiveBlog/img/20...5fe59641aa.jpg

        95dfeb64618bae1dc5b8fc5fe59641aa.jpg
        My most dangerous mission: I landed in the middle of an enemy tank battalion and I immediately, started spraying bullets killing everybody around me having fun up until my computer froze...

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        • Snowshoveler
          Snowshoveler commented
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          Originally posted by Salinator View Post
          Unless there is a reliable sources, I too, like pamak, call BS. Cuba doctors are already on rental in Venezuela. Are we to be so stupid to think that **** poor Cuba has that many doctors, and a country that bans it's citizens from sugar in order to hoard it for the export market have lots of medicine to give away?
          Cuba has an extremely high rate of doctors per capita it’s a more attractive career choice since most get paid $40 instead of the usual $20 per month that the average worker makes unless Doctors can find work elsewhere which many now have the option to do as they’re gaining more freedoms
          Cuba has stopped trying to export the communist revolution by military means and are now focused on spreading it through soft power by primarily providing healthcare to other countries
          That’s why the useful idiots like to mention Cuban healthcare achievements when they spread propaganda for them these days

        • Phaing
          Phaing commented
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          Originally posted by Nikki View Post


          Wow! Half a billion masks made by the American company they seized.
          He nice, kindly, humanitarian Communist Chinese would never do such a thing, would they?




          In an article in Xinhua, the state-run media agency that's largely considered the mouthpiece of the party, Beijing bragged about its handling of COVID-19, a virus that originated in the city of Wuhan and has spread quickly around the world, killing nearly 5,000 people and infecting thousands more. The article also claimed that China could impose pharmaceutical export controls which would plunge America into "the mighty sea of coronavirus."
          https://www.foxnews.com/world/chines...onavirus-drugs

          Maybe they are sore about losing that Trade "War".

        • Karri
          Karri commented
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          Originally posted by Konzev View Post
          What international solidarity looks like: Chinese and Cuban doctors arrived in Italy with 31 tons of medical supplies from China and drugs from Cuba.

          China has the medical expertise and organizational experience of dealing with the coronavirus outbreak at its peak and Cuba developed one of the most effective treatments for those infected with the coronavirus.
          Meanwhile, the president of the USA tried to buy exclusive rights to a coronavirus vaccine. Probably to profit of it.

      • #57
        Biden, the former US vicepresident, is now triumphating in the Democratic primaries for the US president election as canditate of the Democrates Party. He is now also supported by Sanders, his 20200319_070406.jpg ex contrahent.

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        • #58
          Another incompetent getting into the act:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp
          Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and a senior adviser, has created his own team of government allies and private industry representatives to work alongside the administration’s official coronavirus task force, adding another layer of confusion and conflicting signals within the White House’s disjointed response to the crisis.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

          Comment


          • Cambronnne
            Cambronnne commented
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            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

            So says the TDSer's at the WaPo…
            After the Chinese approve the message first of course.


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

          • pamak
            pamak commented
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            Originally posted by dgfred View Post
            Was that the son in law's opinion or pure facts? Everyone had and does have an opinion regarding an never before seen virus. Y'all are a trip.

            Forming a team is not making decisions alone anyway. On Obama... he would have screwed it up all on his own.
            I agree that "forming a team" is a good thing, and this does not indicate what type of decision (god or bad) will be made.

            On the other hand, there is a legitimate criticism for the lack of preparation because we DID have viruses in the past and teams to control the situation and I even posted in another thread how there was even an exercise in 2017 when Obama officials tried to train the incoming Trump cabinet members, while just a year ago an Obama national security advisor was giving warning that a virus threat is at the top of a national security threat. So, the foundation of an organization to deal wit such threat had to be already present.

            https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...mp-cdc/608215/

            We were warned in 2017, a week before inauguration day, when Lisa Monaco, Barack Obama’s outgoing homeland-security adviser, gathered with Donald Trump’s incoming national-security officials and conducted an exercise modeled on the administration’s experiences with outbreaks of swine flu, Ebola, and Zika. The simulation explored how the U.S. government should respond to a flu pandemic that halts international travel, upends global supply chains, tanks the stock market, and burdens health-care systems—all with a vaccine many months from materializing.

            So, the claim that Obama would have screwed it all on his own makes no sense, when he actually had teams to deal with such events including within the WH which Trump decided to disband. And even worse, when he was asked about it, he did not even know that it happened which shows a lot about the level of his awareness regarding the seriousness of handling a pandemic

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bBb26ZaKeo

            So, perhaps your position is that now is not a good time to stick with the blame game and that we should move forward. My position is partial to agree. But I will remind you that we still have an election in a few months and criticism about unpreparedness is not only valid but necessary. And I do not buy the attempt I see by some to absolve this administration from such criticism of unpreparedness and blame Obama (again) for how he handled previous cases or how he would have handled this one.

          • T. A. Gardner
            T. A. Gardner commented
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            Originally posted by pamak View Post

            I agree that "forming a team" is a good thing, and this does not indicate what type of decision (god or bad) will be made.
            God doesn't make bad decisions...

        • #59
          This is absolutely incredible:

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/polit...rus/index.html
          Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson thinks people are panicking way too much about the coronavirus.
          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

          Comment


          • T. A. Gardner
            T. A. Gardner commented
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            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            You obviously think that because he's a Republican. Have you heard him on television? His about as sharp as a marble.

            From the article:

            'But these aren't just numbers, which is what Johnson seems to forget. These are people. Grandparents. Aunts. Uncles. Dads. Moms. Lots and lots of them. And yes, even young people.
            What the country is doing right now -- social distancing, self-quarantining -- is aimed not at ensuring that the bulk of health Americans don't get the disease but rather that those for whom the coronavirus is most deadly aren't exposed to it accidentally via us.

            What Johnson fails to realize is that by citing a bunch of numbers to make the case that we are all going to get through this just fine, he's missing the real, human toll this virus is taking.'

            And then we have students on spring break in Florida 'vacationing' on the beaches regardless of the warnings to their health...stupid is as stupid does...
            I think that because I see what's going on. I see this as the insane "Zero-Tolerance" mentality that says we have to be completely 100% safe, 100% pollution free, 100% politically correct, 100% whatever. People who think like that are insane idiots and morons.

            The real, human toll is going to be how many people lose their jobs, how many people lose their homes, cars, businesses, and the like because they were forced into shutting them down or because their employer had to shut things down. I think, for once, the students got it right. If I get the coronavirus, I get it. I'll deal with it if that happens...


          • Freebird
            Freebird commented
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            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            You obviously think that because he's a Republican. Have you heard him on television? His about as sharp as a marble.

            From the article:

            'But these aren't just numbers, which is what Johnson seems to forget. These are people. Grandparents. Aunts. Uncles. Dads. Moms. Lots and lots of them. And yes, even young people.
            What the country is doing right now -- social distancing, self-quarantining -- is aimed not at ensuring that the bulk of health Americans don't get the disease but rather that those for whom the coronavirus is most deadly aren't exposed to it accidentally via us.

            .
            And if they dont get Coronavirus, great.
            So instead they lose their jobs and medical coverage, and maybe they or their perish from cancer, disease or some other affliction.

          • ljadw
            ljadw commented
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            Originally posted by Massena View Post
            This is absolutely incredible:

            https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/polit...rus/index.html
            Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson thinks people are panicking way too much about the coronavirus.
            If there are a lot of CV cases, this does not mean that a lot of people will die .
            If there are few CV cases,the number of deaths will be limited .
            And for the economic consequences : the responsible is not the virus, but the population that panics ( panic was created by the media, as usual ),while panic does not force the virus to withdraw .
            Thus Johnson is right .

        • #60
          This is unbelievable...

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/polit...rus/index.html


          Florida Sen. Rick Scott had a strong message Thursday for those packing the beaches in the state amid the coronavirus outbreak: "Get off the beach."


          "Unless you can figure out how to completely be isolated from anybody else, I mean, this is -- individuals have to take responsibility and every, every level of government has to be very clear, don't be on the beach unless you can be somehow completely by yourself," the former governor told CNN's John Berman on "New Day."

          His comments echo those of health officials and Trump administration officials who continue to urge Americans to practice social distancing to limit the spread of the virus. The White House has issued guidance urging Americans to avoid groups of more than 10 people. On Wednesday, President Donald Trump and Dr. Deborah Birx, a member of the White House coronavirus task force, urged young people to adhere to the guidelines.

          "I hope they just listen to what we've been saying over the last period of time. We don't want them gathering, and I see that they do gather including on beaches, and including in restaurants, young people," Trump said.
          "They don't realize that -- they're feeling invincible, I don't know if you felt invincible when you were young. But they don't realize that they could be carrying lots of bad things home to their grandmother and grandfather and even their parents," he said. "So, we want them to heed the advice ... and I do believe it's getting through."

          Scott himself has been in self-quarantine for over a week after meeting with a Brazilian government aide who tested positive for the virus.

          We are not now that strength which in old days
          Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
          Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
          To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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          • Massena
            Massena commented
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            Crap.

            That is one of the most cold-blooded and ignorant postings I have seen on this forum in quite some time.

            It is the government's responsibility to take care and protect the citizens of the country. Anything less is both irresponsible and could be criminal.

          • TactiKill J.
            TactiKill J. commented
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            Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
            No, telling people what to do and micro-managing their lives is stupid. We should let people decide for themselves how much risk they want to take in free association and make them responsible for the consequences of their decisions. What is truly stupid is trying to ensure idiots and morons continue to live. Nature tries to kill off the useless and stupid. We try not only to protect it, but breed more of it.
            The problem is the rest of us have to deal with the consequences of their decisions.

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            Originally posted by Phaing View Post
            Totally stupid controversy.

            Being outside in the warm air is exactly what is supposed to end the flu season. That is exactly what you will be told in a couple of weeks.

            So, this loudmouth Scott tells everyone that Sprimg Break is cancelled after they paid for it all, and sends them back inside.
            What would you like to bet that there will be a spike in traffic at the maternity wards in 9 months?
            It's already 90+ degrees in Florida, yet the virus is still being spread there.

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