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    Last edited by Salinator; 31 Dec 19, 07:15.
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

  • #2
    And this adds to the political darkness:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/polit...ion/index.html
    Indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas' attorney is asking a federal judge for permission to share some information seized from Parnas when he was arrested, including the contents of one of his iPhones, with House impeachment investigators.
    "Review of these materials is essential to the Committee's ability to corroborate the strength of Mr. Parnas's potential testimony," Joe Bondy, the lawyer for the indicted Giuliani associate, wrote in a letter to the Judge Paul Oetken, referring to the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee.

    Bondy wrote in the letter he expects to receive on Tuesday the contents of the iPhone and some documents seized from Parnas' home from prosecutors. He told Oetken he isn't sure how much of the material he will share with the Democrats on the committee.

    Parnas, a Soviet-born American who worked with Giuliani to push claims of Democratic corruption in Ukraine, was charged in New York federal court in early October with conspiracy and campaign finance-related violations and has pleaded not guilty to his criminal charges. The Manhattan federal prosecutors continue to consider other charges related to his case, though their exact approach is unknown.


    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
    Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
    To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #3
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

      Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, criticized some of her Senate colleagues, including the majority leader, for appearing to “prejudge the evidence” in impeachment proceedings against President Trump, becoming the second Republican senator to question Senator Mitch McConnell’s
      pledge
      to coordinate with the White House.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

      Comment


      • Cambronnne
        Cambronnne commented
        Editing a comment
        Originally posted by OttoHarkaman View Post

        Its all grandstanding so that the left leaning media outlets can manipulate viewers into thinking it is a legal trial and there-by gain public sympathy, perhaps pickup votes from people who just see the surface of things or don't have time with raising a family to dig into details.
        Agreed.
        How dare republicans behave in as partisan a manner as the dems did!

      • OttoHarkaman
        OttoHarkaman commented
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        Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

        Agreed.
        How dare republicans behave in as partisan a manner as the dems did!
        Dems have the constant "spin" on, the Republicans better understand these people no longer play by the club rules and are all about crowd baiting.

      • T. A. Gardner
        T. A. Gardner commented
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        Originally posted by marktwain View Post

        wretched
        [ˈreCHəd]
        ADJECTIVE
        1. (of a person) in a very unhappy or unfortunate state.
          "I felt so wretched because I thought I might never see you again"
          synonyms:
          miserable · unhappy · sad · broken-hearted · heartbroken · grief-stricken · grieving · sorrowful · sorrowing · mourning · anguished · distressed · desolate · devastated ·
          [more]
        do you mean W.I.n.o.??
        More like vomitous, which fits about 110% of all politicians...

    • #4
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/polit...ale/index.html

      Month by month look at the president's nonsense:

      A defining feature of the Donald Trump presidency is the bombardment of lies -- Trump's unceasing campaign to convince people of things that aren't true.

      Trump made more than 2,700 false claims this year. (We're still calculating the final total.) Some of them were innocent slips, some of them little exaggerations. But a large number of them were whoppers: deliberate, significant attempts to deceive and manipulate.

      The breadth of the dishonesty was as striking as the frequency. Trump was inaccurate this year about every conceivable topic, from his dealings with Ukraine to the size of his crowds to, literally, the time of day.

      He told too many lies for us to confidently pick a single most notable lie of the year. So we've picked our 12 most notable, one for every month. (We're defining notable as some combination of egregious, important and bizarre.)
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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    • #5
      https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/polit...acy/index.html

      As the country faces unprecedented rancor between the branches of government in the midst of impeachment proceedings, Chief Justice John Roberts urged his fellow federal judges Tuesday to promote confidence in the judiciary and maintain the public's trust.

      Americans, Roberts said, have in the modern era come to "take democracy for granted," and the chief justice lamented the fact that civic education has "fallen by the wayside."

      "In our age, when social media can instantly spread rumor and false information on a grand scale, the public's need to understand our government, and the protections it provides, is ever more vital," Roberts wrote in his annual report on the state of the judiciary, issued each New Year's Eve.
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
      Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
      To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

      Comment


      • #6
        Originally posted by Massena View Post
        https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/polit...acy/index.html

        As the country faces unprecedented rancor between the branches of government in the midst of impeachment proceedings, Chief Justice John Roberts urged his fellow federal judges Tuesday to promote confidence in the judiciary and maintain the public's trust.
        Now this is BS. The only "rancor" between branches is between the House and the President.

        Americans, Roberts said, have in the modern era come to "take democracy for granted," and the chief justice lamented the fact that civic education has "fallen by the wayside."

        "In our age, when social media can instantly spread rumor and false information on a grand scale, the public's need to understand our government, and the protections it provides, is ever more vital," Roberts wrote in his annual report on the state of the judiciary, issued each New Year's Eve.
        And, if you will note, most of that rumor and false information comes from the Progressive Left as far as the MSM goes. If civic education has "fallen by the wayside," it's due to Progressive Leftist ideas gaining a major foothold in public schools, like the whole concept of Critical Pedagogy and Social and Economic Justice.

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        • #7
          Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

          Now this is BS. The only "rancor" between branches is between the House and the President.



          And, if you will note, most of that rumor and false information comes from the Progressive Left as far as the MSM goes. If civic education has "fallen by the wayside," it's due to Progressive Leftist ideas gaining a major foothold in public schools, like the whole concept of Critical Pedagogy and Social and Economic Justice.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ntial_election

          Interesting- the Month of Donald Trumps relative quiet produced a slight gain in his ratings to the 'neck and neck' factor, after allowing for the traditional 4-6 % republican shift in voter reliability.

          The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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          • #8
            Originally posted by marktwain View Post

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ntial_election

            Interesting- the Month of Donald Trumps relative quiet produced a slight gain in his ratings to the 'neck and neck' factor, after allowing for the traditional 4-6 % republican shift in voter reliability.
            And it rose despite impeachment.
            Or it rose "because of" impeachment.
            But trump's "relative quiet" is really only noticed by those obsessed with him or politics not the average voter.
            Average people can't escape the evening news or MSM. And despite constant negative coverage in the MSM, trump's his ratings increased.
            Kind of surprising actually.

            Avatar is General Gerard, courtesy of Zouave.

            Churchill to Chamberlain: you had a choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war.

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            • #9
              Originally posted by Cambronnne View Post

              And it rose despite impeachment.
              Or it rose "because of" impeachment.
              But trump's "relative quiet" is really only noticed by those obsessed with him or politics not the average voter.
              Average people can't escape the evening news or MSM. And despite constant negative coverage in the MSM, trump's his ratings increased.
              Kind of surprising actually.
              well.......as Judie Slama says in Nebraska- he is the first candidate or POTUS who gives the Heartlands more than social conservatism, or in Hillary's case- rather meaningless . vague statements about 'we really will do something to take care of you hurting people out there"

              People will vote fore economic hope first.
              As to my obsessions, you know what they say:
              The difference between Cdns and 'Murricans' is that we are malignantly well informed about 'Murrica, while Americans are benevolently ill informed about us...
              The trout who swims against the current gets the most oxygen..

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              • #10
                Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                well.......as Judie Slama says in Nebraska- he is the first candidate or POTUS who gives the Heartlands more than social conservatism, or in Hillary's case- rather meaningless . vague statements about 'we really will do something to take care of you hurting people out there"

                People will vote fore economic hope first.
                As to my obsessions, you know what they say:
                The difference between Cdns and 'Murricans' is that we are malignantly well informed about 'Murrica, while Americans are benevolently ill informed about us...
                Correct. People vote their own interests and wallet first and foremost. The Democrats are offering more taxes, more government, more welfare, and less economy. That won't go down well with a very large portion of Americans.

                Like it or not, the economy under Trump has done much better than it did in eight years of Obama.

                One reason, unlike Obama who loved new, expensive regulations, Trump obviously hates them:

                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...ird-record-low

                https://www.investors.com/politics/c...t-record-rate/

                And, the WaPo "Fact checkers" try to spin this as a negative the only way they can...

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/video...87d_video.html

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                • #11
                  The word 'imminent' is being thrown around by the administration, specifically SecState Pompeo, over the current situation in Iran and with the killing of the Iranian terrorist.

                  Here is the definition of 'imminent':
                  1.ready to take place; happening soon.

                  2.often used of something bad or dangerous seen as menacingly near.

                  And the use by Pompeo of the term is ambiguous at best.

                  It's getting to the state of 'what the definition of 'is' is.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

                  Comment


                  • pamak
                    pamak commented
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                    Originally posted by inevtiab1e View Post
                    Trump lied, people died. Some people cheer a lunatic at the helm
                    They try to justify the decision by saying that the target deserved to die. Of course, such logic can also be used to target Kim (or his secret service officers) in North Korea and in general target every secret service official of any rival country (including Russia). The issue is if such decisions make us safer or not, and I have not seen such justification when there have been innocent victims and when Iran seems that it takes measures to accelerate its attempt to enrich uranium.

                  • Massena
                    Massena commented
                    Editing a comment
                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp


                    President Trump said on Friday that Iranian commander Soleimani had been planning attacks on four US embassies, a claim made to justify a drone strike, but that was at odds with intelligence assessments from senior officials in Trump’s administration. – The Washington Post


                    Some call the drone attack on Soleimani an assassination—that is, a murder, and therefore, a crime. Others say the president acted on an imminent threat, making the killing arguably legal. – Quartz


                    Trump on Monday morning defended his decision, contending Soleimani posed an impending threat to the US but also saying that was not important given the military leader's history. – Reuters



                  • pamak
                    pamak commented
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                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp


                    President Trump said on Friday that Iranian commander Soleimani had been planning attacks on four US embassies, a claim made to justify a drone strike, but that was at odds with intelligence assessments from senior officials in Trump’s administration. – The Washington Post


                    Some call the drone attack on Soleimani an assassination—that is, a murder, and therefore, a crime. Others say the president acted on an imminent threat, making the killing arguably legal. – Quartz


                    Trump on Monday morning defended his decision, contending Soleimani posed an impending threat to the US but also saying that was not important given the military leader's history. – Reuters

                    LOLOL

                    So, he tries to backtrack. Of course tomorrow he can return back on the course. That is his tacti.:

                    There is no need for the government to provide clarity about decisions that escalate situations with rivals, no need to have anymore regular press conferences, no need to provide details to House Committees, no need to provide details of the imminent threat behind closed doors to senators and we (and the Congress) should be content with the idea that Trump can use the tweeter to inform us about his actions.
                    And we should just debate if his statements on tweeter reflect facts or just trolling!

                    And all these before the end of the first term...Imagine if he actually wins a second one, LOLOL

                • #12
                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...lag/ar-BBYUVAm

                  On Monday, President Trump retweeted a fake image of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer in Middle Eastern garb standing in front of an Iranian flag. The poorly-photoshopped image showed Pelosi wearing hijab and Schumer with a turban on his head. "Democrats 2020," the text on the bottom of the image read.

                  Mr. Trump retweeted the image from an anonymous account with the alias "D0wn_Under." In the original tweet, "D0wn_Under" wrote: "the corrupted Dems trying their best to come to the Ayatollah's rescue." The same account has tweeted extensively about a conspiracy that Speaker Pelosi is supposedly aiding or working for Iran.

                  The fake image was just one of the anti-Pelosi messages the president retweeted on Monday, many of them using the same hashtag: #NancyPelosiFakeNews. Bot Sentinel, a site that analyzes the behavior of Twitter accounts, said the hashtag was being widely spread by "inauthentic accounts" such as automated bots and anonymous trolls.

                  Mr. Trump's retweets appear to be his response to what Pelosi said about Iranian protesters on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday.

                  "The fact is, there were protesters in the streets before against the regime. After the taking out of Soleimani, there were protesters in the street, joined together, as you know, against us.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • Phaing
                    Phaing commented
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                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    It isn't only students this time.....
                    Yes, when the top anchors start walking off the job, the Media is in trouble.

                    I think that what caused that image was all the Crocodile tears shed for that old monster General Salami (or whatever) getting killed while organizing the hostile takeover of a foreign nation, while he was inside that nation!

                    And they are not the only ones; Venesuela's regime has elevated that man to the status of super-hero alongside their Communist leaders-

                    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...-soleimani.php

                  • marktwain
                    marktwain commented
                    Editing a comment
                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    Nuff said, lets deal with facts:

                    https://taskandpurpose.com/iran-flag-walking
                    I've noticed that your site uses words like 'hate' a lot....Are we seeing an emotional driver here?

                    One of my Jewish friends once pointed out that "
                    It isn't an official Israeli flag" which makes it just a daub job in two colors."

                  • Nichols
                    Nichols commented
                    Editing a comment
                    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

                    I've noticed that your site uses words like 'hate' a lot....
                    My site does not have the word hate anywhere in it.

                    Edit; just double checked my site, no where in it is the word hate.

                • #13
                  More evidence is being revealed in the Ukraine scandal:

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

                  If one were simply to read the transcript, as President Trump has insisted we do, the point made obvious in new documents released by the House Intelligence Committee would be apparent.

                  In that transcript — the rough transcript of the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — Trump cajoles his counterpart to start investigations focused on former vice president Joe Biden and an unfounded theory about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Zelensky agrees to the probes with alacrity, in part, no doubt, because it had already been made clear to his team that agreement was a necessary criterion for a much-sought meeting with Trump at the White House. To move the probes forward, Trump then suggests that Zelensky work with two people: Attorney General William P. Barr, head of the Justice Department — and Rudolph W. Giuliani, Trump’s personal attorney.

                  The inclusion of Giuliani in the conversation has long made it hard for Trump to argue that he was seeking Zelensky’s aid only insofar as it would benefit the United States generally. When he asked Zelensky to “do us a favor,” he has argued, he meant “us” as in the United States. That he then suggested Zelensky work with Giuliani, who is not an employee of the United States, and that his request in that specific case focused on his efforts to undermine the investigation into Russian interference that he saw as a cloud over his presidency make it particularly hard to take Trump’s claims at face value.

                  Giuliani has been central to the campaign to pressure Ukraine for some time. When a group of officials who’d attended Zelensky’s inauguration in May met with the president to brief him on the event, it was Giuliani whom Trump insisted they work with on Ukraine. It was Giuliani who then made explicit a quid pro quo related to Trump’s desired investigations, according to Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland. Giuliani pushed Trump’s team to get Zelensky’s administration to announce the same specific investigations that Trump raised on his call — all while working for Trump, not the United States.

                  He made clear early in the process that his focus was his client and not his country. When he spoke with the New York Times before a planned trip to Ukraine in May, he told the paper that he was “asking them to do an investigation that they’re doing already and that other people are telling them to stop. And I’m going to give them reasons why they shouldn’t stop it because that information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                • #14
                  Any attempt for Trump to keep anyone else's oil is a war crime...

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp
                  At a Wisconsin rally on Tuesday, President Donald Trump lauded his decision to retain troops in eastern Syria to control oil fields there, despite warnings that such a move could constitute a war crime.

                  The president delivered a characteristically bombastic speech in Milwaukee, touching on multiple foreign policy issues that have come to the fore in recent months.

                  Among them was America's controversial continued presence in Syria, the recent assassination of Iranian Major General Qassem Soleimani and subsequent retaliatory missile attacks.

                  "People said to me, 'Why are you staying in Syria,'" Trump said Tuesday. "Because I kept the oil, which frankly we should have done in Iraq," he added, to cheers and applause from the audience. The president has previously criticized his predecessors for not profiting off Iraqi oil wells.

                  "So they say, 'Trump's in Syria,' I didn't pull out—I did pull out," the president continued. "We have the oil, really secure. We'll see what happens with it."

                  Trump's Middle East policy has been erratic, in few places more so than Syria. The president has repeatedly voiced his desire to bring U.S. troops home and disengage from another unwinnable, long-running, low-intensity conflict there.

                  The president abruptly ordered the withdrawal of U.S. forces from positions in northeastern Syria near the border with Turkey in October.

                  Troops were deployed there alongside the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, which led the campaign against the Islamic State militant group in Syria with U.S. and Coalition support.
                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • Massena
                    Massena commented
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                    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
                    To the winner goes the spoils... Unless you are a Progressive idiot then everybody gets a participation trophy and the oil stays in the ground because oil is evil.
                    And what 'spoils' are those? That is an archaic expression that no longer apples, especially after War II.

                  • TactiKill J.
                    TactiKill J. commented
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                    Do you think these people care? Check their history.

                  • BorderRuffian
                    BorderRuffian commented
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                    This thread is a war crime...

                • #15
                  https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=68324113

                  Ukrainian police are now investigating two major cases related to the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump, one around possible illegal surveillance of former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch and the other around a suspected attack by Russian military hackers targeting a company where the son of former Vice President Joe Biden sat on the board.

                  On the Yovanovitch case, the interior ministry said in a statement Thursday that police had opened a criminal investigation in light of text messages released by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee this week between two associates of President Donald Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

                  On the alleged hacking case, Ukrainian police said Thursday they were now investigating a suspected attack by Russian military hackers that targeted Burisma, the Ukraine-based energy company that employed Hunter Biden.

                  Earlier this week, cyber-security firm Area 1 said it had discovered that hackers who appeared to be from Russia's military agency, the GRU, had mounted a concerted phishing campaign against Burisma employees, trying to break into their emails and collect data.

                  The attacks occurred at the height of the impeachment hearings in November, and Area 1 speculated that the Russian hackers were searching for material that could be damaging to the Bidens that could then be leaked, following a model they had used in the 2016 election against the Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton.

                  Ukraine's cyber police said it believed the attack -- which also targeted Kvartal 95, the production company that produced President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's TV show before the former actor was elected -- was "probably committed by the Russian special services" and they were in the process of identifying the people involved. It said Ukraine had also asked the FBI to join the investigation.

                  We are not now that strength which in old days
                  Moved earth and heaven; that which we are we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts
                  Made weak by time and fate but strong in will
                  To strive to seek to find and not to yield.

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                  • craven
                    craven commented
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                    Originally posted by Nichols View Post

                    No, I didn't miss that one. I recommend that you go back and read it again without emotions...in other words, your words.......get a grip.

                    The State Department does not conduct investigations.

                    Try again.
                    But there IG does Think they did one on Behngazi.

                  • Massena
                    Massena commented
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                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/polit...-17/index.html

                    House Democrats on Friday released new documents from indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas ahead of the Senate trial that includes new information about the apparent surveillance of former US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and additional contacts between Parnas and an aide to Rep. Devin Nunes of California.


                    The new documents add to the growing trove of allegations and evidence that have come from Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas this week. Democrats have released three sets of Parnas documents this week after his attorney provided materials to the committee last weekend, and Parnas did television interviews with CNN and MSNBC in which he implicated Trump and said the efforts were "all about 2020."

                  • Nichols
                    Nichols commented
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                    Originally posted by Massena View Post
                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/polit...-17/index.html

                    House Democrats on Friday released new documents from indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas ahead of the Senate trial that includes new information about the apparent surveillance of former US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and additional contacts between Parnas and an aide to Rep. Devin Nunes of California.


                    The new documents add to the growing trove of allegations and evidence that have come from Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas this week. Democrats have released three sets of Parnas documents this week after his attorney provided materials to the committee last weekend, and Parnas did television interviews with CNN and MSNBC in which he implicated Trump and said the efforts were "all about 2020."
                    Paras already shot this down.

                    Why are you and CNN trying to make this Putin stooge into something that he is not?

                    Your party has been claiming Russian influencing Trump......yet here you are allowing a Russian to influence you...think about it.

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