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  • craven
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Obama went on a world-wide apology tour his first year in office. Don't you remember his bowing to foreign dignitaries? And I guess Obama was ""Involved" in military decisions; he was the commander-in-chief, after all. And yeah, he praised Democrats. That's a bit self-serving, if you ask me. He called republicans terrorists and said they clung to guns and religion. That's hardly something future generations can look back on with pride. He was a partisan hack who felt America should be marginalized. But that's what other countries want to hear, and Democrats want to make other countries happy, so it passed for enlightened statesmanship.

    Trump's not a warhawk at all. He sets standards and keeps them, which is why he bombed Syria and ISIS, two things Obama could have done. Because he follows through on his promises, Trump has ensured peace where others failed. Kim Jung-Un and Putin both like him, and we haven't had any crazy missle threats or Russian aggrandizement since he bombed Syria, proving that he would stand up for American interests.

    Obama was the Apoligizer-in-Chief, if you're into that sort of thing and buy into the Liberal, "America is an evil imperalist" narrative of history. Trump wants every American to do well. It's just that Democrats and Republicans have different views on America's identity.
    um have you not paid attention to the news of as late Kim been threatening rockets stuff for the past month. We are suppose to get a Xmas present from him. But think he had technical issues.

    And incase you haven't been paying attention Russia has gotten almost all it foreign policy goals US out of Syria check. Access to a Med Port Check. Ukraine weakened check. closer ties to Turkey Check.

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  • III Corps
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    Seems to be a lot of panties in bunches for a meaningless poll.

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Actually, Obama is more of a secular Leftist Progressive. No Christian or Muslim in there.
    He’s a secular, leftist chrisian, which means a Christian who doesn’t take his religion very seriously.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    Actually, Obama is more of a secular Leftist Progressive. No Christian or Muslim in there.
    Depends who you ask, TAG...

    He gave them his real name — a name that, with a quick Google search, would lead back to Infowars, with its headlines like “Inside Sources: Bin Laden’s Corpse Has Been on Ice for Nearly a Decade,” “Special Report: Why Obama Brought Ebola to U.S. Exposed” and “VIDEO: ‘Demon’ Caught on Camera During Obama Visit?” Those headlines could be described by many words, but none of them would be “debunking.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/m...-infowars.html

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  • T. A. Gardner
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Actually, Obama was called a Muslim because he dressed like a Muslimcf76df214169539b9041636dc1cef976_xl.jpg


    What Republicans didn''t understand is how they're to interpret this. They assume he's a Muslim. Fair enough. But really, we're supposed to know he's a secular, Liberal Christian just dressing as a Muslim, and that it's enlightened. Now we know.
    Actually, Obama is more of a secular Leftist Progressive. No Christian or Muslim in there.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Obama didn't call it an apology tour, he called it "reckoning with history." https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...apology-223446 What some remember as the great days of FDR and American victory in WWII, Obama remembers as something we have to reckon with. It's demoralizing. But liberals love "reckoning with history," so Obama passes as an enlightened statesman. They miss these "reckoning" tours and Obama's "lead from behind" strategy.

    Conservatives called Obama a Muslim because he was photographed in Muslim garb. It was like Trudeau dressing in blackface or as an Indian, or whatever he's doing now. Liberals want to pass as multi-cultural and enlightened, but they don't want to be called on it. Obama can dress as a Muslim, but don't call him a Muslim. He's just a liberal Christian who dresses as a Muslim.

    And yeah, Kim Jung Un promised a Christmas present, and never delivered. Some people are waiting for the Trump-Kim Summit to be reversed, and to have North Korea go back to a war-mongering hermit state, but others like them being peaceful. North Korea should westernize, which is what I guess you mean by saying "liberalize," as far as South Korea has done, but that's on them, unless you want us to invade. For whatever it's worth to people, Trump has made more progress in this regard than any previous president.
    As for Obama and WW2, I read through your link but could not find Obama making a specific statement against the USA even in a mild way for its WW2 involvement. Otoh the US led Ronald Reagan in the 1980s put forth a bill to apologize for the US actions of WW2 wrt the intern of Japanese people in the USA..that was a GOP thing. But when Obama does something like that , some US conservatives complain and feel Obama whom acted probably less adamantly then Reagan wrt the US past, is some kind of Muslim anti American.

    Its a big deal for a US POTUS to meet with a man like Kim...we are not allies of NK like we were to the USSR in WW2. NK can hopefully become more open. Trump did meet with Kim, hope is from that NK can become more open which would benefit world trade including the USA.


    Trump and so many US politicians including Obama have worn Jewish religious garb when visiting Israel...liberals dont then call these Americans as Jews. But some conservatives that support Trump go after minorities IE Hispanics, Jews, Muslims. Trump is very much loved in Saudi Arabia he is not called a Muslim for that though.

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    Actually, the far right called him a 'muslim' because you people believe everything people like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh write.
    I certainly don't recall Laura Bush,or her mother in law, or Nancy Reagan getting the nonsense , to put it diplomatically, that the Obamas, mother and daughter, had dumped on them.
    Actually, Obama was called a Muslim because he dressed like a Muslimcf76df214169539b9041636dc1cef976_xl.jpg


    What Republicans didn''t understand is how they're to interpret this. They assume he's a Muslim. Fair enough. But really, we're supposed to know he's a secular, Liberal Christian just dressing as a Muslim, and that it's enlightened. Now we know.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Obama didn't call it an apology tour, he called it "reckoning with history." https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...apology-223446 What some remember as the great days of FDR and American victory in WWII, Obama remembers as something we have to reckon with. It's demoralizing. But liberals love "reckoning with history," so Obama passes as an enlightened statesman. They miss these "reckoning" tours and Obama's "lead from behind" strategy.

    Conservatives called Obama a Muslim because he was photographed in Muslim garb. It was like Trudeau dressing in blackface or as an Indian, or whatever he's doing now. Liberals want to pass as multi-cultural and enlightened, but they don't want to be called on it. Obama can dress as a Muslim, but don't call him a Muslim. He's just a liberal Christian who dresses as a Muslim.

    And yeah, Kim Jung Un promised a Christmas present, and never delivered. Some people are waiting for the Trump-Kim Summit to be reversed, and to have North Korea go back to a war-mongering hermit state, but others like them being peaceful. North Korea should westernize, which is what I guess you mean by saying "liberalize," as far as South Korea has done, but that's on them, unless you want us to invade. For whatever it's worth to people, Trump has made more progress in this regard than any previous president.
    Actually, the far right called him a 'muslim' because you people believe everything people like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh write.
    I certainly don't recall Laura Bush,or her mother in law, or Nancy Reagan getting the nonsense , to put it diplomatically, that the Obamas, mother and daughter, had dumped on them.

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Wrt the so called apology tour as well as the idea that Obama called GOP terrorists, that did not occur. But thats what some of the conservative media want you to think. You may be mixing Obamas statements with Hillary Clinton whom played a verbal tit for tat game with Donald Trump.

    Obama does not come off as a weak figure. His personal life ie that he is not a teetotaler combined with being a political leader that has led the military on numerous actions...shows Obama is not some kind of weak hearted person. I dont see Barack or Michelle Obama as viewing America as so called evil imperialists. Obama visited middle eastern countries, so has Trump. Trumps first ever foreign visit was to Saudi Arabia...No democrats are calling Trump a Muslim...but some conservatives have disrespected Obama by calling Obama a Muslim. Some Trump supporters criticize the Mayor of London because hes Muslim, I have not heard of liberals out there criticizing Schiff of Schumer because they are Jewish.


    Kim has recently been threatening to unveil his latest weapon. I think any country has a right to defend itself, and Im sure many North Koreans are great people. But the relation right now between Trump and Kim is not at a high point. And NK itself should liberalize more and Trump could play a role in this. Before Trump no US POTUS meant with the leader of NK, but Trump has.
    Obama didn't call it an apology tour, he called it "reckoning with history." https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...apology-223446 What some remember as the great days of FDR and American victory in WWII, Obama remembers as something we have to reckon with. It's demoralizing. But liberals love "reckoning with history," so Obama passes as an enlightened statesman. They miss these "reckoning" tours and Obama's "lead from behind" strategy.

    Conservatives called Obama a Muslim because he was photographed in Muslim garb. It was like Trudeau dressing in blackface or as an Indian, or whatever he's doing now. Liberals want to pass as multi-cultural and enlightened, but they don't want to be called on it. Obama can dress as a Muslim, but don't call him a Muslim. He's just a liberal Christian who dresses as a Muslim.

    And yeah, Kim Jung Un promised a Christmas present, and never delivered. Some people are waiting for the Trump-Kim Summit to be reversed, and to have North Korea go back to a war-mongering hermit state, but others like them being peaceful. North Korea should westernize, which is what I guess you mean by saying "liberalize," as far as South Korea has done, but that's on them, unless you want us to invade. For whatever it's worth to people, Trump has made more progress in this regard than any previous president.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    Obama went on a world-wide apology tour his first year in office. Don't you remember his bowing to foreign dignitaries? And I guess Obama was ""Involved" in military decisions; he was the commander-in-chief, after all. And yeah, he praised Democrats. That's a bit self-serving, if you ask me. He called republicans terrorists and said they clung to guns and religion. That's hardly something future generations can look back on with pride. He was a partisan hack who felt America should be marginalized. But that's what other countries want to hear, and Democrats want to make other countries happy, so it passed for enlightened statesmanship.

    Trump's not a warhawk at all. He sets standards and keeps them, which is why he bombed Syria and ISIS, two things Obama could have done. Because he follows through on his promises, Trump has ensured peace where others failed. Kim Jung-Un and Putin both like him, and we haven't had any crazy missle threats or Russian aggrandizement since he bombed Syria, proving that he would stand up for American interests.

    Obama was the Apoligizer-in-Chief, if you're into that sort of thing and buy into the Liberal, "America is an evil imperalist" narrative of history. Trump wants every American to do well. It's just that Democrats and Republicans have different views on America's identity.
    Wrt the so called apology tour as well as the idea that Obama called GOP terrorists, that did not occur. But thats what some of the conservative media want you to think. You may be mixing Obamas statements with Hillary Clinton whom played a verbal tit for tat game with Donald Trump.

    Obama does not come off as a weak figure. His personal life ie that he is not a teetotaler combined with being a political leader that has led the military on numerous actions...shows Obama is not some kind of weak hearted person. I dont see Barack or Michelle Obama as viewing America as so called evil imperialists. Obama visited middle eastern countries, so has Trump. Trumps first ever foreign visit was to Saudi Arabia...No democrats are calling Trump a Muslim...but some conservatives have disrespected Obama by calling Obama a Muslim. Some Trump supporters criticize the Mayor of London because hes Muslim, I have not heard of liberals out there criticizing Schiff of Schumer because they are Jewish.


    Kim has recently been threatening to unveil his latest weapon. I think any country has a right to defend itself, and Im sure many North Koreans are great people. But the relation right now between Trump and Kim is not at a high point. And NK itself should liberalize more and Trump could play a role in this. Before Trump no US POTUS meant with the leader of NK, but Trump has.

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  • American87
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    Originally posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post

    Obama was very much involved in US military decisions. I dont see Obama as apologizing for the USA, same with AOC btw they both have praised American figures of the past such as Robert Byrd and FDR. That goes to show leading democrats such as Obama and now AOC realize that people like Byrd and FDR made personal mistakes but redeemed themselves later in life.

    Trump does not seem to be a warhawk, he might be less war like in comparison to Obama. Trump did not like the USA invading Iraq for example. Trump is also a teetotaler... Obama would have a smoke and a whiskey with you...like Churchill would have. Obama was liberal in that sense as Churchill was of taking to a nice drink... In the WW2 era it was a sign of respect for the leadership of countries to have a drink or smoke in the public.
    Obama went on a world-wide apology tour his first year in office. Don't you remember his bowing to foreign dignitaries? And I guess Obama was ""Involved" in military decisions; he was the commander-in-chief, after all. And yeah, he praised Democrats. That's a bit self-serving, if you ask me. He called republicans terrorists and said they clung to guns and religion. That's hardly something future generations can look back on with pride. He was a partisan hack who felt America should be marginalized. But that's what other countries want to hear, and Democrats want to make other countries happy, so it passed for enlightened statesmanship.

    Trump's not a warhawk at all. He sets standards and keeps them, which is why he bombed Syria and ISIS, two things Obama could have done. Because he follows through on his promises, Trump has ensured peace where others failed. Kim Jung-Un and Putin both like him, and we haven't had any crazy missle threats or Russian aggrandizement since he bombed Syria, proving that he would stand up for American interests.

    Obama was the Apoligizer-in-Chief, if you're into that sort of thing and buy into the Liberal, "America is an evil imperalist" narrative of history. Trump wants every American to do well. It's just that Democrats and Republicans have different views on America's identity.

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  • marktwain
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    Originally posted by T. A. Gardner View Post

    He might, but I'd strongly disagree with that, starting with his Attorney General being the only one held (repeatedly) in contempt of Congress in history.



    I'd say he ranks in the bottom 10. His economic policies were a disaster and he saw the worst economy and economic growth of almost any president in over 100 years. His foreign policy was a complete mess (remember the "red line in the sand" for example, or the "Arab Spring" that turned into a disastrous mess of failed states run by new petty dictators and theocrats?).

    His domestic policy handling saw more public dissention and rioting than we've had since the 60's.

    While Obama is hardly the worst president we've had, he was really very mediocre.
    Including Herb and Warren? Woody was lucky to have a war break out on his watch......

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    They're both admired for different reasons. Obama, because he satisfies the mainstream, politically correct culture. He says bland, feel-good, liberal things, and you can point to him and say, "See, world, don't be jealous, we're sorry for being so powerful."

    With Trump, you get peace and prosperity, although the mainstream, politically-correct culture goes nuts.
    Obama was very much involved in US military decisions. I dont see Obama as apologizing for the USA, same with AOC btw they both have praised American figures of the past such as Robert Byrd and FDR. That goes to show leading democrats such as Obama and now AOC realize that people like Byrd and FDR made personal mistakes but redeemed themselves later in life.

    Trump does not seem to be a warhawk, he might be less war like in comparison to Obama. Trump did not like the USA invading Iraq for example. Trump is also a teetotaler... Obama would have a smoke and a whiskey with you...like Churchill would have. Obama was liberal in that sense as Churchill was of taking to a nice drink... In the WW2 era it was a sign of respect for the leadership of countries to have a drink or smoke in the public.

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  • Stonewall_Jack
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    Originally posted by marktwain View Post

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ankings-235149

    Barak Obama gets high ratings for upholding the moral authority of the
    office of the POTUS.
    In the long term, he probably stalls in the upper mid range of Us Presidents- based on what was a poorly set up , flawed system of domestic universal health care. His foreign policy is gaining a burnishing- some of the extreme requests made of him, such as a military response to Putin's takeover of Crimea, were simply "tactical dreaming."
    Right Obama is liked for his leadership skills ie being a motivator.. I also give Obama tactical credit wrt taking out OBL, and rendering AQ, ISIL, the Taliban into a weak state...those groups have been unheard of at least in the so called west.

    Obama may be in the Top 15 POTUS imo. On healthcare I think Obama wanted to do more..ie Root Canals and other dental work cost much more in the USA compared to other advanced countries such as Ireland and Canada. And thats been a lingering issue in the USA wrt high healthcare costs, as well as long wait times in between doctors appointments.

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  • Massena
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    Originally posted by American87 View Post

    With Trump, you get peace...
    Tell that to the Kurds, whom Trump betrayed, and to the mess in Baghdad.

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